Election Year or Fear!

[SithHappens]

Would he win though? There's been crews with cameras there asking what locals thought of MPs voting against more protection for women and girls or reducing worker's rights etc. The ones shown all said they couldn't support anyone who did those things. All were surpised to find out it was Farage who voted against thos and other Bills.

Add to that the fact that he's never there, doesn't do surgeries for constituents... I think he'd lose. I'd tip Carol Vorderman, standing as an independent (I think she would) taking the seat.

Hope you are right

[SithHappens]

Richard Tice showing what sort of party Reform is

https://x.com/EddieBurfi/status/2053397834850832404?s=20

If you cant condemn comments like that you are the problem.

[Andy_Faber]

I?m not getting involved in the conversation because there?s no point, but the tone of the comments read very much like those at the start of the BREXIT thread, bitterness mixed with a bit of denial

I do have these comments/ observations/ predictions though

Reform are making a strategic mistake joining the calls for Starmer to quit, he is an asset to them

If Andy Burnham runs for MP anywhere, he will lose

If anyone thinks Farage is unpopular in Clapham they clearly don?t know anyone from Clapham (apart from the filtered vox pops on TV)

[SithHappens]

I must admit, you are right, I haven't even given any thought to Farages popularity in Clapham..how remiss of me, nay all of us.

[Andy_Faber]

I must admit, you are right, I haven't even given any thought to Farages popularity in Clapham..how remiss of me, nay all of us.

Just checking that you (not actually you) actually read my posts

[ramAnag]

I?m not getting involved in the conversation because there?s no point, but the tone of the comments read very much like those at the start of the BREXIT thread, bitterness mixed with a bit of denial

I do have these comments/ observations/ predictions though

Reform are making a strategic mistake joining the calls for Starmer to quit, he is an asset to them

If Andy Burnham runs for MP anywhere, he will lose

If anyone thinks Farage is unpopular in Clapham they clearly don?t know anyone from Clapham (apart from the filtered vox pops on TV)

Hmmm…so you’re ‘not getting involved in the conversation because there’s no point’, except that you are…to make three points.
1) You think Starmer’s unpopularity makes him an asset to Reform UK. (Fair enough).
2) You think Burnham will lose anywhere he stands. (Why…seems unlikely…name me another more popular mayor.)
3) You think you know all about the views of people in the Ess@x seaside town of Clacton, but believe it’s an area of south west London famous for its railway junction.()

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm?so you?re ?not getting involved in the conversation because there?s no point?, except that you are?to make three points.
1) You think Starmer?s unpopularity makes him an asset to Reform UK. (Fair enough).
2) You think Burnham will lose anywhere he stands. (Why?seems unlikely?name me another more popular mayor.)
3) You think you know all about the views of people in the Ess@x seaside town of Clacton, but believe it?s an area of south west London famous for its railway junction.()

I?m not making party political points rA, which probably annoys you more than if I was

But,

1 glad we agree

2 the biggest margin of victory for Labour at the 2024 election was Gorton and Denton. Nuff said

3 I had Bradley Johnson doing my spell checking

[SithHappens]

Personally don't think its being bitter, its not a game. Id replace the word bitter with concerned. I was concerned when we voted brexit and nothing has changed my view, aswell as imposing economic sanctions on ourselves brexit has , in my opinion, legitimized racism, hatred and created a divided country.

The same with reform, I don't think its bitter to be concerned when one of their leading politicians dismisses questions of one of their councilors racism as 'smears'. Just one example of the vile views many of them, including their leader, hold.

He should be appalled and disgusted at such comments. That he isn't says all you need to know about him and the party he stands for.

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm?so you?re ?not getting involved in the conversation because there?s no point?, except that you are?to make three points.
1) You think Starmer?s unpopularity makes him an asset to Reform UK. (Fair enough).
2) You think Burnham will lose anywhere he stands. (Why?seems unlikely?name me another more popular mayor.)
3) You think you know all about the views of people in the Ess@x seaside town of Clacton, but believe it?s an area of south west London famous for its railway junction.()

My bright idea, if I was Reform?s ideas man, and if Andy Burnham was shoehorned into a so-called ?safe? seat, would be to not field a candidate, allowing the Greens a clear run. Now that?s bloody vindictive but hey, there are no clean hands in politics

[ramAnag]

I?m not making party political points rA, which probably annoys you more than if I was

But,

1 glad we agree

2 the biggest margin of victory for Labour at the 2024 election was Gorton and Denton. Nuff said

3 I had Bradley Johnson doing my spell checking

Doesn’t annoy me at all.

1) We don’t agree, but you’re entitled to your opinion, albeit you sound a bit like all those MUFC fans hoping Slot stays at Liverpool.
2) Gorton and Denton was what it was. Andy Burnham in the north west is a different matter.
3)

Have to agree entirely with Sith’s comments re: bitterness v concern. You’ll probably criticise me for having the audacity to agree with another poster but I, for one, am honestly not bitter. What’s happening just makes me sad and deeply concerned about the division which is being stirred up and the ‘poison’ being promoted by those behind and representing Reform UK.

[SithHappens]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2pyy6ngz0o

So hes been suspended. I guess thats good but how did him, and all the others, pass the vetting?

[Trickytreesreds]

Dear oh dear, it still hasn’t sunk in yet with you left wing planks has it?

UKIP, Brexit, Reform parties wouldn’t exist without the actions and blatant abuse of the electorate by the Tories and Labour.
The moans and groans about EU immigration were bad enough, so Brexit came about
That was kacked on for years , until a certain Johnson promised to uphold it.
Then he opened the country up to the third world and the electorate responded .
Now we have a spineless , lying , jellyfish and narcissist not only doing the above but sidling up to the EU.
The electorate responded. Swale can scream thick all he wants, RA can scream racist all he wants, folks aren’t listening to this left wing bull**** put downs anymore. That includes the lefties in blue.

Enough is enough. This muppet won’t resign though, he’s too much of a self serving narcissist for that. Those that want to depose him are useless as well.

Folks want change.
They are even willing to vote for dangerous Greens, an Islamic communist party of bile.

Ps RA. you call the right racist, yet here is your example of left racism in cognito. Jew hatred and the root of Semitic attacks. They don’t seem to rattle you so much though. Strange that.


Ps. Good season for you , it must have been much more enjoyable.

[MadAmster]

People do want change, TTR, agreed. The Reform councils aren't doing well, thus far. Is that the reason their % share of the vote was actually down on the previous local elections.

Farage keeps saying things folk want to hear. Later, when questiuoned about things he's said, he claims he's never said them, despite there being video of him saying it. I'm not going to sidle up to him as long as he votes against Bills designed to improve safety for women and children. As long as he keeps voting against Bills to help worker's rights. As long as he supports Trump. As long as he is a fan of Putin. Next election, after a whole Parliamentary cyclus of him steering clear of his Constituency, he's not going to get back in.

Who would I vote for at the next election? The answer is I won't vote. As I've written before, as I no longer pay UK tax and don't live there, I don't think I should. From 1999 to 2022, as I'd been away for over 15 years, I wasn't allowed to vote. The Tories gave me that back. I won't use it though. Why? As well as my thoughts that I shouldn't have a vote anyway, if I did change my mind, there isn't a party that looks remotely like home. Tories never have and never will have my vote. The Labour party I used to be a card acrrying member of no longer exists. I find it impossible to take the LibDems seriously. Reform are too far to the right for me and are, IMO, simply a party that will be as pro the rich and big business as Trump's republicans are in the USA. DJT is pushing for more, more, more for the rich and less, less less for the majority. Farage will go the same way if he ever gets into power. Not something I can support. Greens are the "Reform" of the left and go too far, way too far. There isn't a party that mirrors my wishes. That is why I won't be exercising my reinstated right to vote.

[Trickytreesreds]

People do want change, TTR, agreed. The Reform councils aren't doing well, thus far. Is that the reason their % share of the vote was actually down on the previous local elections.

Farage keeps saying things folk want to hear. Later, when questiuoned about things he's said, he claims he's never said them, despite there being video of him saying it. I'm not going to sidle up to him as long as he votes against Bills designed to improve safety for women and children. As long as he keeps voting against Bills to help worker's rights. As long as he supports Trump. As long as he is a fan of Putin. Next election, after a whole Parliamentary cyclus of him steering clear of his Constituency, he's not going to get back in.

Who would I vote for at the next election? The answer is I won't vote. As I've written before, as I no longer pay UK tax and don't live there, I don't think I should. From 1999 to 2022, as I'd been away for over 15 years, I wasn't allowed to vote. The Tories gave me that back. I won't use it though. Why? As well as my thoughts that I shouldn't have a vote anyway, if I did change my mind, there isn't a party that looks remotely like home. Tories never have and never will have my vote. The Labour party I used to be a card acrrying member of no longer exists. I find it impossible to take the LibDems seriously. Reform are too far to the right for me and are, IMO, simply a party that will be as pro the rich and big business as Trump's republicans are in the USA. DJT is pushing for more, more, more for the rich and less, less less for the majority. Farage will go the same way if he ever gets into power. Not something I can support. Greens are the "Reform" of the left and go too far, way too far. There isn't a party that mirrors my wishes. That is why I won't be exercising my reinstated right to vote.

With respects Maddy, you’ve made your position on that clear before and I respect it.

My point I was getting across, folks can moan, scream, complain about Farage or Reform all they like. It is their respective governments and parties which have created them.

They don’t listen, learn, or want to change, so the electorate responded 3 times now. It still goes on, with Starmer deciding he’s the unilateral decision maker on the UK relations with the EU.


Two party politics is over. Swale scoffed when I said this 2 years ago. Well here we are.


Just to make the point, the 2026 pols including IPSOS, says 70% of the country complain immgration is too high and unsustainable. Yet the politicians ignore it.
If you complain, you’re a racist and bigot.
Something that’s been echoed in this forum just reading what I have today in here.

[MadAmster]

Are there too many? Depends on your stance, really. Do people want doctors, nurses, engineers, scientists etc? Yes, of course they do.

Do they want epople who won't learn the language, won't engage in day to day life as in socialising, working etc. No they don't.

With regards to those who are, genuinely, fleeing war zones or countries where their religion or seksual leanings would see them persecuted at best and killed at worst in their homeland, I say yes, come on in. Enjoy the freedom you don't have back home BUT, you will learn the language, you will work and pay your way. You will not come here to live off the taxpayer. Exceptions to this would be those who CAN'T work through physical or mental limitations.

In both cases, I'm with them. In the most recent Dutch elections I voted for a party that had, amongst other things, stronger immigration Laws in their manifesto.