Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Laws yes, depends what way of life means. If someone wants to live their life differently to me, provided its lawful then I don't have a problem.

me neither.
But making statements of UK nationals and institutions, make allowances to accomodate that religion are not on.
In your own home and time, do as you wish. But keep it out of schools/ politics/ work places.
Schools in particular have become a topic of huge controversy. That needs to stop now,
Especially when teachers have had to go into hiding for doing their job.

[Andy_Faber]

Laws yes, depends what way of life means. If someone wants to live their life differently to me, provided its lawful then I don't have a problem.

That’s fine until, and I’m afraid I’m with TTR on this, the way of life of the/a minority starts to significantly impact the way of life of the majority. This is more likely when an uncompromising/intolerant minority meets a tolerant majority. I’ve seen it in the area of faith, and it drives deeper thinkers than me to distraction

[Trickytreesreds]

That’s fine until, and I’m afraid I’m with TTR on this, the way of life of the/a minority starts to significantly impact the way of life of the majority. This is more likely when an uncompromising/intolerant minority meets a tolerant majority. I’ve seen it in the area of faith, and it drives deeper thinkers than me to distraction

You are already seeing the damage and danger all over tolerant Europe. It is this very tolerance which makes Europe so easily exploited.
It is no coincidence, that there are no terror attacks in Poland.

The refusal of individuals and organizations to address the issue of Islam shows the effectiveness of
fear – the real and justified fear of physical assault
and the fear of having one’s reputation smeared by
Islamists and their enabling fools. As a result, it
is often only the more extreme elements (such as
nationalist parties in Europe) who will address the
problems caused by Islam, which is then used to
bolster assertions that it’s mainly extremists who
are concerned about the impact of Islam on our
societies.

So where exactly is
the tipping point?
The consensus seems
to be that it occurs
when the Muslim
population hits
7-8% of the national
population

This is exactly what we are seeing now. Intimidation and violence to get demands met.
It is becoming indoctination in schools and has now filtered into the politics of the UK.

This sort of exploitation would not happen in a staunch Muslim country, in reverse.

Why is the middle east suddenly the number one priority of UK factions?
Because it all stems back to their religion and the hatred of Jews.

[Trickytreesreds]

Laws yes, depends what way of life means. If someone wants to live their life differently to me, provided its lawful then I don't have a problem.

SITH , THIS WAS 5 YEARS AGO.
Listen to it, then think about all the events happening today.
Murray knows his stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQXHc-tJMXM&t=767s&ab_channel=HooverInstitution

[MadAmster]

IMO...

There was always going to be a reaction, a very strong one, from the Israelis to the October 7th atrocities.

That reaction has gone OTT.

October 7th or something similar was on the cards due to Israeli (Zionist) actions since 1948. Not satisfied with the land given to them, there has been a constant further taking of Palestinian land. The burning of their olive groves. The killing of Palestinians by Israeli "settlers". The October 7th action by Hamas went too far.

Had Israel not kept stealing land, killing people then Hamas probably wouldn't exist.

Throw the several wars between the Arab world and Israel into the mix and your potato is as hot as it can get.

Solution? Is there one?

Release the hostages has to be step 1 or Ramadan in Gaza is going to be a bloodbath.

A 2 state solution has to happen sooner or later or there will be even more carnage.

Will the Arab world ever accept the presence of Israel? IMO, no, not even in a 2 state situation.

As someone else wrote, Netanyahu pushes his agenda to win elections to ensure he can't be tried for corruption.

Can someone explain how being pro Palestinian, a semite people, is being anti semitic? Most Israelis are descendants of displaced Eastern Europeans.

Again, IMO, there can't be a solution until Israel stops stealing yet more land. I'd go as far as to add they should also give up the land they've "appropriated" from Palestinians since 1948. I would have the Golan heights as an exception as, strategically, it's a wonderful platform to attack Israel from. Make that neutral maybe?

I'm just glad I'm not the one having to sort this whole mess out as whatever you do, you'll have someone against you who is likely to want to kill you...

[ramAnag]

Focussing just on the U.K. aspect, Saying is fine, peaceful protesting is fine, death threats and intimidation is not, whoever’s doing it

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

For as long as I can remember on here Tricky has been banging an anti Labour and anti Muslim drum and it is no coincidence that his reappearance coincides with a time of such turmoil. I’m no apologist for the ‘grooming gangs’ that TTR regularly alludes to and I probably have more first hand professional knowledge of such matters than most on here, but, in my experience, various home grown/white ‘communities’ are just as guilty (Catholic Church anyone?)…the manifestation is just different.

Doubtless it suits those on the Right, who have produced such chaos over the last six or more years, to now start ranting about anti Semitism and reintroduce the demonisation of Muslims…they have, after all, nothing else left to fight an election with.

P.S. Agreeing entirely with the points made by MA immediately above and, please note, they are - entirely - on topic and not remotely personal.

[Trickytreesreds]

IMO...

There was always going to be a reaction, a very strong one, from the Israelis to the October 7th atrocities.

That reaction has gone OTT.

October 7th or something similar was on the cards due to Israeli (Zionist) actions since 1948. Not satisfied with the land given to them, there has been a constant further taking of Palestinian land. The burning of their olive groves. The killing of Palestinians by Israeli "settlers". The October 7th action by Hamas went too far.

Had Israel not kept stealing land, killing people then Hamas probably wouldn't exist.

Throw the several wars between the Arab world and Israel into the mix and your potato is as hot as it can get.

Solution? Is there one?

Release the hostages has to be step 1 or Ramadan in Gaza is going to be a bloodbath.

A 2 state solution has to happen sooner or later or there will be even more carnage.

Will the Arab world ever accept the presence of Israel? IMO, no, not even in a 2 state situation.

As someone else wrote, Netanyahu pushes his agenda to win elections to ensure he can't be tried for corruption.

Can someone explain how being pro Palestinian, a semite people, is being anti semitic? Most Israelis are descendants of displaced Eastern Europeans.

Again, IMO, there can't be a solution until Israel stops stealing yet more land. I'd go as far as to add they should also give up the land they've "appropriated" from Palestinians since 1948. I would have the Golan heights as an exception as, strategically, it's a wonderful platform to attack Israel from. Make that neutral maybe?

I'm just glad I'm not the one having to sort this whole mess out as whatever you do, you'll have someone against you who is likely to want to kill you...

very good post Maddy
Ultimately, there is no answer, untill all sides push aside their differences and want one.#
1.The Palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution many times. The river to the sea chant, means they want the Jews gone.
2. The surrounding countries, seriously wanted Israel gone, but it has steadied into an uneasy peace at the moment.
3.Iran is the **** stirrer here and will never let it lie.
4. Israel, has obviously decided to land grab, and remove as much trouble from as many areas as possible.
5. HAMAS is the tip of the iceberg really. Before them you had the PLO and PFLP. They are hardcore Islamic fanatics, who hate Jews. They are not going away. There is no interest in any diplomatic solution There is a reason that other Arab states, do not welcome Palestinians into their lands. They a riddled with these fanatics. They turned the lovely Lebanon into the total farce it is.

This really is my point now, of what we are seeing here in the UK.
This really isn't just about a cease fire. It is a pause in the killing they want, whilst the struggle and hate of jews goes on
That hate, is being lashed out in British society in many ways, in order to get their own way.
Us being so tolerant and accomodating have skirted around dealing with it and resorted to appeasement.
It's getting serious now and needs to stop,
Islam does not rule the UK and its laws and rights should and must not accomodate any of it's madness.

[Andy_Faber]

IMO...

There was always going to be a reaction, a very strong one, from the Israelis to the October 7th atrocities.

That reaction has gone OTT.

October 7th or something similar was on the cards due to Israeli (Zionist) actions since 1948. Not satisfied with the land given to them, there has been a constant further taking of Palestinian land. The burning of their olive groves. The killing of Palestinians by Israeli "settlers". The October 7th action by Hamas went too far.

Had Israel not kept stealing land, killing people then Hamas probably wouldn't exist.

Throw the several wars between the Arab world and Israel into the mix and your potato is as hot as it can get.

Solution? Is there one?

Release the hostages has to be step 1 or Ramadan in Gaza is going to be a bloodbath.

A 2 state solution has to happen sooner or later or there will be even more carnage.

Will the Arab world ever accept the presence of Israel? IMO, no, not even in a 2 state situation.

As someone else wrote, Netanyahu pushes his agenda to win elections to ensure he can't be tried for corruption.

Can someone explain how being pro Palestinian, a semite people, is being anti semitic? Most Israelis are descendants of displaced Eastern Europeans.

Again, IMO, there can't be a solution until Israel stops stealing yet more land. I'd go as far as to add they should also give up the land they've "appropriated" from Palestinians since 1948. I would have the Golan heights as an exception as, strategically, it's a wonderful platform to attack Israel from. Make that neutral maybe?

I'm just glad I'm not the one having to sort this whole mess out as whatever you do, you'll have someone against you who is likely to want to kill you...

Not much to disagree with there MA, regrettably the last sentence especially

[Trickytreesreds]

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

For as long as I can remember on here Tricky has been banging an anti Labour and anti Muslim drum and it is no coincidence that his reappearance coincides with a time of such turmoil. I’m no apologist for the ‘grooming gangs’ that TTR regularly alludes to and I probably have more first hand professional knowledge of such matters than most on here, but, in my experience, various home grown/white ‘communities’ are just as guilty (Catholic Church anyone?)…the manifestation is just different.

Doubtless it suits those on the Right, who have produced such chaos over the last six or more years, to now start ranting about anti Semitism and reintroduce the demonisation of Muslims…they have, after all, nothing else left to fight an election with.

P.S. Agreeing entirely with the points made by MA immediately above and, please note, they are - entirely - on topic and not remotely personal.

My re appearance RA, as yu call it, coincides with my return after 6 months in Thailand.
You should go. A lovely country of 99% Buddhists living in total harmony and tolerance.
Farangs are very welcome and respected, as long as you respect them.
When I go there, I make sure I blend in and do nothing to try change that. They have laws in place to stop Farangs, from exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population.
Whilst there, I can not explain to you the calm and steady pace of life you experiance.
Then I come back here and .................................... well , the chaos has gone up many notches.

You call it the demonisation of Muslims. Yet Muslims are the ones causing all the current eruptions. Not Christians/Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists/ Johvo's/ Hari Krishnas etc.
As an ex teacher, you should be horrified as to how Islam is demanding schools change to accomodate them, rather than the majority
Death threats/ assaults/insults/ harrassment and I'm picking on them?

BTW, Islamophobia is a term invented by Iran , in order to shush folks criticising their babaric ways in the name Islam
Now its the buzz word to shut you down verytime anyone tries to criticise anything they do. So much so, that it works and scares the councils and police to death

In essence , every athiest, is Islamophobic

[swaledale]

IMO...

There was always going to be a reaction, a very strong one, from the Israelis to the October 7th atrocities.

That reaction has gone OTT.

October 7th or something similar was on the cards due to Israeli (Zionist) actions since 1948. Not satisfied with the land given to them, there has been a constant further taking of Palestinian land. The burning of their olive groves. The killing of Palestinians by Israeli "settlers". The October 7th action by Hamas went too far.

Had Israel not kept stealing land, killing people then Hamas probably wouldn't exist.

Throw the several wars between the Arab world and Israel into the mix and your potato is as hot as it can get.

Solution? Is there one?

Release the hostages has to be step 1 or Ramadan in Gaza is going to be a bloodbath.

A 2 state solution has to happen sooner or later or there will be even more carnage.

Will the Arab world ever accept the presence of Israel? IMO, no, not even in a 2 state situation.

As someone else wrote, Netanyahu pushes his agenda to win elections to ensure he can't be tried for corruption.

Can someone explain how being pro Palestinian, a semite people, is being anti semitic? Most Israelis are descendants of displaced Eastern Europeans.

Again, IMO, there can't be a solution until Israel stops stealing yet more land. I'd go as far as to add they should also give up the land they've "appropriated" from Palestinians since 1948. I would have the Golan heights as an exception as, strategically, it's a wonderful platform to attack Israel from. Make that neutral maybe?

I'm just glad I'm not the one having to sort this whole mess out as whatever you do, you'll have someone against you who is likely to want to kill you...

A well reasoned and accurate response, those who seek political capital or spread falsehoods in an attempt to score some dubious point are to be condemned. History shows that white western society has done its fair share of invading, colonising and forcing their culture on other nations and societies' and in fact still do when it suits. The irony is that the so called "poor down trodden" Caucasian tw@ts propagating this nonsense, are both swallowing a false narrative and ignoring the real sector of society that is partly responsible for their situation.

But then I guess simple people look for simple solutions and are easily led down a path by those politicians and commentators who offer these up to further their own agenda. The term useful idiot springs to mind.

[ramAnag]

My re appearance RA, as yu call it, coincides with my return after 6 months in Thailand.
You should go. A lovely country of 99% Buddhists living in total harmony and tolerance.
Farangs are very welcome and respected, as long as you respect them.
When I go there, I make sure I blend in and do nothing to try change that. They have laws in place to stop Farangs, from exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population.
Whilst there, I can not explain to you the calm and steady pace of life you experiance.
Then I come back here and .................................... well , the chaos has gone up many notches.

You call it the demonisation of Muslims. Yet Muslims are the ones causing all the current eruptions. Not Christians/Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists/ Johvo's/ Hari Krishnas etc.
As an ex teacher, you should be horrified as to how Islam is demanding schools change to accomodate them, rather than the majority
Death threats/ assaults/insults/ harrassment and I'm picking on them?

BTW, Islamophobia is a term invented by Iran , in order to shush folks criticising their babaric ways in the name Islam
Now its the buzz word to shut you down verytime anyone tries to criticise anything they do. So much so, that it works and scares the councils and police to death

In essence , every athiest, is Islamophobic

I do wish people would stop bringing up this ‘ex teacher’ nonsense and I have no first hand knowledge at all of schools having to accommodate Muslims any more than any other religion, indeed the only ‘religious’ demand I recall is Jehovah’s Witnesses insisting that their children didn’t take part in any assemblies or Christmas activities.

Not sure why you’re concerned about the term ‘Islamophobic’ or where it originated. Everyone knows what it means…a form of prejudice specifically aimed against Muslims. I’m certainly not frightened of it any more than I am of being accused of being anti Semitic as a result of questioning Jewish/Zionist attitudes towards Palestinians

[ramAnag]

My re appearance RA, as yu call it, coincides with my return after 6 months in Thailand.
You should go. A lovely country of 99% Buddhists living in total harmony and tolerance.
Farangs are very welcome and respected, as long as you respect them.
When I go there, I make sure I blend in and do nothing to try change that. They have laws in place to stop Farangs, from exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population.
Whilst there, I can not explain to you the calm and steady pace of life you experiance.

I’m glad you had a good time Tricky and enjoyed the ‘total harmony and tolerance’ of this ‘lovely country’.
It’s a little ironic however, you praising the Thai laws that prevent foreigners ‘exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population’…it is, after all, a country that generates a great deal of wealth via se x tourism which is hardly renowned for not exploiting the native population.

[Andy_Faber]

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

I think TTR is pushing more about the ‘will change’ than the ‘has changed’ rA, and despite coming from a multicultural household I do see that diversity/multiculturalism has become a bit of a means to itself - a long long way from everyone asked for either

[Andy_Faber]

Interestingly/coincidentally, this general area of contention appears to be enough of a ‘thing’ to gain a slot (well managed by Johnny Dimond) on the world at 1.

[swaledale]

I’m glad you had a good time Tricky and enjoyed the ‘total harmony and tolerance’ of this ‘lovely country’.
It’s a little ironic however, you praising the Thai laws that prevent foreigners ‘exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population’…it is, after all, a country that generates a great deal of wealth via se x tourism which is hardly renowned for not exploiting the native population.

Jeez, when you hold up a country that goes from one crisis to another, generally interrupted by Military Coups, followed by technically democratic governments, but always a front for the military as a shining example of how a country should be, then any credibility one might have had is completely shot!!

Thailand’s Pheu Thai, the populist party linked to the deposed former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, is back in power for the first time since being ejected from office in a military coup in 2014 — ironically, in coalition with the proxy parties of the military junta that installed the last prime minister, Prayut Chan-ocha.

Thailand’s democratic processes have been subverted by not only a deeply illiberal constitution but also by a set of opaque machinations’ that unfolded in the wake of the May general election, at which Pheu Thai was unexpectedly pushed into 2nd place by a surge of votes for the reformist party Move Forward.


Still I guess one doesn't worry about the impact of on the general populace of poverty, false imprisonment, corruption, a crack down on individual rights, poor health care, low pay, drug and *** trafficking, etc. as long is it doesn't impinge on ones ability to lay around on a beach drinking and eating cheaply, without a thought as to who is being exploited to make ones stay pleasant!!