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[Trickytreesreds]

How does it and in what way?

There is no way this government s right wing. It is soft on everything.
If Thatchers government WAS right wing, how would you rate this one?
Even Blair, had better control of things than this current shower have, even after he chaged the rules to suit his immigration stance. It never came close to this.



Though to be fair, Blairs plan has now gone full circle.


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[ramAnag]

There is no way this government s right wing. It is soft on everything.
If Thatchers government WAS right wing, how would you rate this one?
Even Blair, had better control of things than this current shower have, even after he chaged the rules to suit his immigration stance. It never came close to this.



Though to be fair, Blairs plan has now gone full circle.


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…but seriously…I can accept that Sunak is a slight step back from Johnson and Truss, but less Right wing than Blair? Really? I don’t think so.

[MadAmster]

How you can call this current Tory government right wing eludes me. It makes Blairs government look far right.
As for the rest of it, ONE I aint no expert on Dutch politics. I was pointing out, that TWO the rise across the EU to the right, has been fuelled by EU failures with Immigration.
As is here in the UK, terror/crime/over crowding/ spiralling costs/ culture friction.
The EU , is criminal in how it treats its borders and expects everyone to just accept it. That aren't and what you now , is the biggest right wing swing since the Axis

ONE
Which means you ARE an expert on Dutch politics.

TWO
In NL, the left wing party, PvdA/GL had a greater share of the vote share (25.8%) in the EU election than in the November elections (16.67%). Wilders PVV polled much less (19.35%) in the EU election compared to November (24.67%).
As I wrote in a previous post, voters in NL have gone more for his socio-economic promises than his immigration policies. That wasn't so in November, agreed. They believed he'd sort immigration out. It's now come out in the wash that most of the ideas he's been propagating for over 20 years are either illegal and/or go against international treaties to which NL is a party. Huge rise in the minimum wage and scrapping the personal excess on health insurance have been dropped on the minimum wage and hugely watered down on the excess. His new immigration plan, which is also hugely watered down to keep it legal, won't satisfy those who did vote for him on immigration.



IMO, Wilders share of the vote will continue to fall as his inability to solve problems rather than simply pointing them out becomes ever more apparent. A one man party that doesn't allow anybody else to become a member doesn't have, and probably never will have the depth of people fit for office. With the possible exception of le Pen, I think the same applies to the other far right EU parties like the AfD etc.

[Geoff Parkstone]

There is no way this government s right wing. It is soft on everything.
If Thatchers government WAS right wing, how would you rate this one?
Even Blair, had better control of things than this current shower have, even after he chaged the rules to suit his immigration stance. It never came close to this.



Though to be fair, Blairs plan has now gone full circle.


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Out of interest, does anyone know the reasoning why Irish citizens are allowed to vote in the UK. I assume there must be a residence test to sit alongside this?

Is there reciprocity or is this just another one way backdoor?

Given the number of people now pursuing Irish passports post Brexit (in most cases I know so as to retire to less expensive property in EU) we could have a generation with a right to vote in this country via a loophole, whilst living in EU and paying no tax here?

All seems a bit odd

[swaledale]

Out of interest, does anyone know the reasoning why Irish citizens are allowed to vote in the UK. I assume there must be a residence test to sit alongside this?

Is there reciprocity or is this just another one way backdoor?

Given the number of people now pursuing Irish passports post Brexit (in most cases I know so as to retire to less expensive property in EU) we could have a generation with a right to vote in this country via a loophole, whilst living in EU and paying no tax here?

All seems a bit odd

If they are resident in the Uk then they can vote, stems from historic links with ROI and the empire days, same with commonwealth citizens resident here.

The real loophole is that recently opened up by the Tories, to allow British ex pats to vote and choose which constituency their vote counts in. Previously if one had let the Uk to live abroad, after a set number of years ones right to vote lapsed.

Just another example of how the Cons despite having an advantage try to further skew the vote, as with voter ID etc.

[Andy_Faber]

Out of interest, does anyone know the reasoning why Irish citizens are allowed to vote in the UK. I assume there must be a residence test to sit alongside this?

Is there reciprocity or is this just another one way backdoor?

Given the number of people now pursuing Irish passports post Brexit (in most cases I know so as to retire to less expensive property in EU) we could have a generation with a right to vote in this country via a loophole, whilst living in EU and paying no tax here?

All seems a bit odd

It’s odd, and no not reciprocated, and not the only bit of oddness relating to the relationship with Ireland and the island of Ireland - the obtaining of Irish passports or otherwise has convoluted rules which I’m constantly explaining to the Irish leg of my family

What’s more odd is that long-standing U.K. Ex pats who’ve retained their British passport but have been overseas for over 15 years CAN now vote, a change from the last election, even if they have no intention of returning to U.K.

[MadAmster]

It’s odd, and no not reciprocated, and not the only bit of oddness relating to the relationship with Ireland and the island of Ireland - the obtaining of Irish passports or otherwise has convoluted rules which I’m constantly explaining to the Irish leg of my family

What’s more odd is that long-standing U.K. Ex pats who’ve retained their British passport but have been overseas for over 15 years CAN now vote, a change from the last election, even if they have no intention of returning to U.K.

I only found out about this change a few days ago. I lost the right to vote in the UK in 1999. The Law, at the time, was 15 years away and the right to vote has gone. I never complained about it. It seemed, to me any road up, that as I no longer contributed to the country via taxes, it was strange that I was not really entitled to vote.

I am now aware that I may vote again and still have a couple of days to register and then choose in which constituency I wish to vote. Playful me decided Richmond and Northallerton would be a good place to vote and oust Sunak as MP. Serious me laughed heartily and explained that, however brilliantly amusing that might be, as a non-contributor to the Treasury for almost 40 years, although I still care enough to have my thoughts on Blighty and post them on social media, it's not really for me to "put my oar in" as it were via the ballot box.

Having said that, I have no issue with any expats who decide to use their new "power", it's just not something I, personally, would feel "right" in doing. Still doesn't stop me wanting Sunak ousted along with his party, though. Simply that I don't feel qualified to be part of the "firing squad".

My earlier comments about Blue/Red/Rizla are also part of the reason I won't be exercising my newly found right to vote.

[Andy_Faber]

I only found out about this change a few days ago. I lost the right to vote in the UK in 1999. The Law, at the time, was 15 years away and the right to vote has gone. I never complained about it. It seemed, to me any road up, that as I no longer contributed to the country via taxes, it was strange that I was not really entitled to vote.

I am now aware that I may vote again and still have a couple of days to register and then choose in which constituency I wish to vote. Playful me decided Richmond and Northallerton would be a good place to vote and oust Sunak as MP. Serious me laughed heartily and explained that, however brilliantly amusing that might be, as a non-contributor to the Treasury for almost 40 years, although I still care enough to have my thoughts on Blighty and post them on social media, it's not really for me to "put my oar in" as it were via the ballot box.

Having said that, I have no issue with any expats who decide to use their new "power", it's just not something I, personally, would feel "right" in doing. Still doesn't stop me wanting Sunak ousted along with his party, though. Simply that I don't feel qualified to be part of the "firing squad".

My earlier comments about Blue/Red/Rizla are also part of the reason I won't be exercising my newly found right to vote.

yes there will be tactical voting! Of the sample I am aware of (4) 3 will be voting Farage and one for one of the Irish parties

[Geoff Parkstone]

Despite having an inherent right to vote, I most assuredly won't be arsed to walk to the polling station to put an X next to someone's name that I have no faith in.

It sad that such an historically hard fought right is simply ignored due to the antics of the bunch of schoolboys putting themselves forward for high office.

As I was growing up I was taught that those who govern us deserved huge respect and were top of the tree. Now all of them are self serving scum....

[Andy_Faber]

As I was growing up I was taught that those who govern us deserved huge respect and were top of the tree. Now all of them are self serving scum....

Without wanting to kick off last weeks ruckus again, my comment about deference to elders definitely wouldn't apply to 'betters' (people in high public or private office) these days. I'm prepared to give elders benefit of the doubt that they're good people, 'betters', including politicians, I assume to be as you describe, and thats a shame for the few who aren't

[swaledale]

Without wanting to kick off last weeks ruckus again, my comment about deference to elders definitely wouldn't apply to 'betters' (people in high public or private office) these days. I'm prepared to give elders benefit of the doubt that they're good people, 'betters', including politicians, I assume to be as you describe, and thats a shame for the few who aren't

Odd why you should give someone the benefit of the doubt purely because of age, personally I give anyone the benefit of the doubt, trouble is most **** it up by their words or deeds.

I would take issue that the majority of politicians are scum or only in it for themselves, we see only a small sample, we hardly ever hear of those that are good, look after their constituents and are genuinely motivated to serve the country.

But then by and large the public aren't enamoured with those that do have principles and follow them, Corbyn is a good example, whilst one can take odds with some of his views, he is at least consistent and by all accounts is a good constituency MP, trouble is those who disagree with his world view don't take this into account. His leadership skills were lacking, but then you come to an age old problem, these days quiet competent leaders are overlooked or scorned by the public at large who want charisma, promises that can't be kept and fairy tales about life - hence Farage's attraction to some - good communication skills no substance and certainly self serving.

[swaledale]

Despite having an inherent right to vote, I most assuredly won't be arsed to walk to the polling station to put an X next to someone's name that I have no faith in.

It sad that such an historically hard fought right is simply ignored due to the antics of the bunch of schoolboys putting themselves forward for high office.

As I was growing up I was taught that those who govern us deserved huge respect and were top of the tree. Now all of them are self serving scum....

Hardly, but then again its rather clear that by and large voters or in your case non voters get the politicians they deserve!

[Andy_Faber]

Odd why you should give someone the benefit of the doubt purely because of age, personally I give anyone the benefit of the doubt, trouble is most **** it up by their words or deeds.

I would take issue that the majority of politicians are scum or only in it for themselves, we see only a small sample, we hardly ever hear of those that are good, look after their constituents and are genuinely motivated to serve the country.

But then by and large the public aren't enamoured with those that do have principles and follow them, Corbyn is a good example, whilst one can take odds with some of his views, he is at least consistent and by all accounts is a good constituency MP, trouble is those who disagree with his world view don't take this into account. His leadership skills were lacking, but then you come to an age old problem, these days quiet competent leaders are overlooked or scorned by the public at large who want charisma, promises that can't be kept and fairy tales about life - hence Farage's attraction to some - good communication skills no substance and certainly self serving.

you may be surprised to find I agree with what you say about Corbyn (purely from what I've read) although your own words suggest that he would have been better fighting hard for his own constituency and aggitating for specific causes rather than becoming leader

My comment wasn't intended to be just, or even mainly, about politicians, few of which I've come across, more the 'captains of industry', many of which don't wear their 'seniority' and associated wealth particularly well and IMO could be replaced in their roles by any one of hundreds of less fortunate folk

[swaledale]

you may be surprised to find I agree with what you say about Corbyn (purely from what I've read) although your own words suggest that he would have been better fighting hard for his own constituency and aggitating for specific causes rather than becoming leader

My comment wasn't intended to be just, or even mainly, about politicians, few of which I've come across, more the 'captains of industry', many of which don't wear their 'seniority' and associated wealth particularly well and IMO could be replaced in their roles by any one of hundreds of less fortunate folk

You'll be even more surprised to learn I agree with most of this!

[MadAmster]

The end is nigh! Swale and AF agreeing