Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Grow up Tricky. For every Reagan and Trump there’s a Kennedy and a Martin Luther King and for every Jo Cox there’s a David Amess. No one has said otherwise.
Why does Trump fill me with such fear? He doesn’t, apart from being the personification of greed, dishonesty, divisiveness and political irresponsibility, but as it happens I was in the U.S. during his campaign against Hilary Clinton and the atmosphere was ‘difficult’ at times.
Things haven’t improved in that respect and you’d be well advised not to confuse the political and the personal.

Meanwhile our very own "mini Trump" blames Jo Brand for the shooting, one couldn't make it up.

I see Thicky has gone full gammon maga and now apparently "knows" who was behind the shooting and repeats the propaganda spewed out by right wing ding bats. I truly fear for the guys sanity, that level of delusion is certainly a sign of severe mental illness.

[ramAnag]

Before TTR went and spoiled it with his usual hobnail boots effort, I was going to ask a genuine question, please still take it as such - do you GENUINELY mean fear? What ACTUAL difference is Trump likely to make that instills fear into you? And whats the difference between personal and political fear? To me you can have personal fear caused by political actions or intentions, but political fear? I don't get that and maybe its a because I wake up in the morning worried about if the dogs done a woopsy on the kitchen floor rather than who's in power. Genuine question, if I understood what made people not like me tick I might not be so 'aggressive' or dismissive as youve asserted

Sorry AF. Hadn’t seen your question. Perhaps genuine ‘concern’ would be a better expression than ‘fear’.

To me, ‘political fear’ equals a political outcome that I fear will be damaging to the country/world as a whole…whereas a ‘personal fear’ - in this context - is when a political outcome is likely to have a personal impact on people I care about living in a place, in this case, impacted by the election of someone as divisive and morally bankrupt as Trump.

Like you, I think, I’ve visited the USA many times and have found much to admire about the place.
I find it difficult however to relate to it as a single country because of the enormous differences, in terms of outlook, cost and standard of living between different states.
For that reason, along with its comparatively recent history, the divisiveness which has become all too apparent with the emergence of Trump as a politician - rather than an eccentric businessman - and the influence of China and Russia I think the U.S. is more of a ‘tinderbox’ than we sometimes appreciate over here.

P.S. Plus…I don’t have a dog.

[Geoff Parkstone]

We only win major football tournaments under Labour...it's a sign

[Trickytreesreds]

Grow up Tricky. For every Reagan and Trump there’s a Kennedy and a Martin Luther King and for every Jo Cox there’s a David Amess. No one has said otherwise.
Why does Trump fill me with such fear? He doesn’t, apart from being the personification of greed, dishonesty, divisiveness and political irresponsibility, but as it happens I was in the U.S. during his campaign against Hilary Clinton and the atmosphere was ‘difficult’ at times.
Things haven’t improved in that respect and you’d be well advised not to confuse the political and the personal.

If he doesn't then why say it an why say you fear for your family?

I'll tell you the reason I ask.
My sister and her husband , just returned from there. Her husband was invited by his ex CO, to visit and stay with them. Now he is married to a Yank who is a hardcore Democrat. That is exactly how she spoke. In fact she wailed like the world was coming to an end if trump got in and asked if My sister and husband would sponsor them, to live in the UK?
I genuinely am perplexed as to how warped some folks perception is of Trump.

Here's the conundrum in all this. My bro in law asked her what she thought of the millions of illegals who had flooded into the states?
SHE GENUINELY SAID, THAT SHE DIDN'T MIND.

Their son, came from the city to take my sis and husband out and they told him. He went crackers and rolled his eyes. Typical of her, living in 20 odd acres with only a few farmers for neighbours. He lives in the City and he carries (under license), as it is that dangerous now, with migrant crime.
Now I certainly couldn't live under those conditions either. But to claim Trump would make it worse makes it laughable.
The US is awash with guns. Its in their constitution, so to think its going away is a fantasy.

So again. Can anyone tell me how living under Trump, as an average American be worse than under Biden?

[Trickytreesreds]

Meanwhile our very own "mini Trump" blames Jo Brand for the shooting, one couldn't make it up.

I see Thicky has gone full gammon maga and now apparently "knows" who was behind the shooting and repeats the propaganda spewed out by right wing ding bats. I truly fear for the guys sanity, that level of delusion is certainly a sign of severe mental illness.

Thought I was ignored? You lying again you little tinker?

PS, i can prove my mental illness competency? Can you?

Another brain washed college kid.

State voter records show that Crooks was a registered Republican and the upcoming election would have been the first time he was old enough to vote.

When Crooks was 17 he made a $US15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing.

The donation was earmarked for the Progressive Turnout Project, a national group that rallies Democrats to vote. The groups did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

[ramAnag]

If he doesn't then why say it an why say you fear for your family?

I'll tell you the reason I ask.
My sister and her husband , just returned from there. Her husband was invited by his ex CO, to visit and stay with them. Now he is married to a Yank who is a hardcore Democrat. That is exactly how she spoke. In fact she wailed like the world was coming to an end if trump got in and asked if My sister and husband would sponsor them, to live in the UK?
I genuinely am perplexed as to how warped some folks perception is of Trump.

Here's the conundrum in all this. My bro in law asked her what she thought of the millions of illegals who had flooded into the states?
SHE GENUINELY SAID, THAT SHE DIDN'T MIND.

Their son, came from the city to take my sis and husband out and they told him. He went crackers and rolled his eyes. Typical of her, living in 20 odd acres with only a few farmers for neighbours. He lives in the City and he carries (under license), as it is that dangerous now, with migrant crime.
Now I certainly couldn't live under those conditions either. But to claim Trump would make it worse makes it laughable.
The US is awash with guns. Its in their constitution, so to think its going away is a fantasy.

So again. Can anyone tell me how living under Trump, as an average American be worse than under Biden?

Read the answer to Andy’s question.

[Trickytreesreds]

Read the answer to Andy’s question.

Ok, you've diluted down a bit.

Now I'll ask again, trump has been in power before. How did his sitting in the oval make America a terrible place to live in for the average American. ( keep your personal jibes about his shennigans to one side). Talk about the country- economy/ defence/ freedoms/ world stage

Then compare that to Bidens.

My point is, there is an absolute rabid response to the very name Trump from the left, who have even been chasing him, when he was irrellevent and out of office.
Just seen something similar in France recently.

[SithHappens]

Seems harsh blaming Jo Brand, I don't find her particularly funny but political assassination doesn't seem to bet her thing

[SithHappens]

Disney are apparently suing the secret service for copyright theft as they appeared to use a famous Disney character as a code word when the attack started, they were heard to yell 'Donald Duck' to alert the ex-president of the attack.

[ramAnag]

Ok, you've diluted down a bit.

Now I'll ask again, trump has been in power before. How did his sitting in the oval make America a terrible place to live in for the average American. ( keep your personal jibes about his shennigans to one side). Talk about the country- economy/ defence/ freedoms/ world stage

Then compare that to Bidens.

My point is, there is an absolute rabid response to the very name Trump from the left, who have even been chasing him, when he was irrellevent and out of office.
Just seen something similar in France recently.

No, I’ve explained my concerns/fears. You saw the behaviour that followed Trump’s defeat in the last election and I experienced, first hand, the atmosphere in the build up to his election victory over Hilary Clinton.
That isn’t what we’ve come to expect in the USA since the days of McCarthyism. What the impact has been on the ‘average American’ isn’t really the point. Whether a man who espouses the views he does is fit to be the ‘leader of the free world’ and what the impact of his victory/defeat may be on an already very divided nation is, imo.

[swaledale]

Disinformation researcher Amanda Rogers has described the polarized, unhinged, conspiracy-driven noise in social media responses to the shooting of Donald Trump as “a self-sustaining spiral of ****”.

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No, I’ve explained my concerns/fears. You saw the behaviour that followed Trump’s defeat in the last election and I experienced the atmosphere in the build up to his election victory over Hilary Clinton.
That isn’t what we’ve come to expect in the USA since the days of McCarthyism.

rA if Thicky can't see the issue with Trump, then 1) he has no understanding of politics, 2) he hasn't a clue about reality in world affairs 3) he ignores the facts about what trump and his supporters do and say 4) he is a sad deluded conspiracy theorist who swallows bull**** whole and somehow doesn't see how utterly stupid the stuff he posts makes him sound.

Alternatively he could just be ****ing dim!

Stiill good news, that tw@t Farage is leaving the UK to spout his invective and bull**** in the US.

[SithHappens]

rA if Thicky can't see the issue with Trump, then 1) he has no understanding of politics, 2) he hasn't a clue about reality in world affairs 3) he ignores the facts about what trump and his supporters do and say 4) he is a sad deluded conspiracy theorist who swallows bull**** whole and somehow doesn't see how utterly stupid the stuff he posts makes him sound.

Alternatively he could just be ****ing dim!

Stiill good news, that tw@t Farage is leaving the UK to spout his invective and bull**** in the US.

Farage also returning to his GB news role next week. Wonder if he realises he's got a job representing his constituents.

[ramAnag]

Farage also returning to his GB news role next week. Wonder if he realises he's got a job representing his constituents.

I genuinely don’t understand how this is allowed. I know I despise Farage and all he stands for, but how, as someone salaried to be MP for Clacton, can he a) be allowed to work for GB News and b) be permitted to go to the U.S. to support Trump?

[SithHappens]

I genuinely don’t understand how this is allowed. I know I despise Farage and all he stands for, but how, as someone salaried to be MP for Clacton, can he a) be allowed to work for GB News and b) be permitted to go to the U.S. to support Trump?

To me it's evidence he's interested only in the fame aspect of politics. He's no interest in Clacton.