Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

https://youtu.be/6Rb9b8rYhII?si=5xP1WsKQJ3bpgD_0

And if you haven't seen it, he's a really good golfer. So he didn't lie in the debate!
Wonder if are' Nigel would want a round?

First time for everything, RS.
Maradona, OJ Simpson and Joey Barton were pretty handy at their sports too. Doesn’t stop them being total tw@ts.

[MadAmster]

https://youtu.be/6Rb9b8rYhII?si=5xP1WsKQJ3bpgD_0

And if you haven't seen it, he's a really good golfer. So he didn't lie in the debate!
Wonder if are' Nigel would want a round?

I'm quite certain "are Nige" would love a round, as long as he's not paying (269Kb png photo of a beer mug loading from neither my PC nor a URL)

[Trickytreesreds]

How much are council taxes going to be going up? 3 weeks in, 5500 prisoners released. 90 000 Asylum amnesty coming. Closing Bibby/camps/hotels and all being divided up onto council shoulders?
There are no social houses and B&B's being over used.
Being banded about , that the population will have to house them?

What next, fines for spare bedrooms? The tax cons haven't even kicked in yet. Corbyns magic money tree, is going to look like a garden weed at this rate.

[Ramshank72]

How much are council taxes going to be going up? 3 weeks in, 5500 prisoners released. 90 000 Asylum amnesty coming. Closing Bibby/camps/hotels and all being divided up onto council shoulders?
There are no social houses and B&B's being over used.
Being banded about , that the population will have to house them?

What next, fines for spare bedrooms? The tax cons haven't even kicked in yet. Corbyns magic money tree, is going to look like a garden weed at this rate.

Whats that got to do with golf? Stop derailing the thread

[MadAmster]

How much are council taxes going to be going up? 3 weeks in, 5500 prisoners released. 90 000 Asylum amnesty coming. Closing Bibby/camps/hotels and all being divided up onto council shoulders?
There are no social houses and B&B's being over used.
Being banded about , that the population will have to house them?

What next, fines for spare bedrooms? The tax cons haven't even kicked in yet. Corbyns magic money tree, is going to look like a garden weed at this rate.

Jeez! If you're going to post facts, at least get them right.

3 weeks in, 5500 prisoners released. WRONG ! There are currently around 700 available places in cells and they will be gone, very rapidly. Currently, inmates jailed for less serious crimes, who have shown good behaviour get released early after completing 50% of their sentence. We need either far less crime or far more lenient sentences or lots of new prison cells. Less crime won't happen overnight, if at all so that's off the table. Lenient sentencing isn't the answer as that would see prisoners released even earlier. However, something has to be done. The new government has decided to reduce the early release date to 40% of time served from September. No prisoners have not been released earlier than they would have been under Sunak in the 3 weeks Labour has been in power. Around that number will be from (not in) September in order to avoid a complete breakdown of the prison service. The state of which they have just inherited. Who will be released early? The reduction in time served will not apply to those who committed serious violent offences with sentences of four years or more. IMO, anybody with the slightest common sense can see the need to release some prisoners early or we'll end up with prison riots and prison officers, as well as some inmates, injured or even killed. I would hope one of those officers would not be you or one of your close colleagues.
I am 100% certain that, had they decided to do nothing and the riots had occurred, you would have been at their throats asking why they hadn't taken some kind of action to prevent the riots... You seem to want to have your cake and eat it. You can't

90 000 Asylum amnesty coming. No, they're not. If you read what they are going to do then you'd find out that they intend to handle the backlog of hundreds of thousands of asylum claims left them by the Tories. A backlog which is the main cause of asylum seekers being put in hotels etc and 100% the fault of the Conservatives for closing down all the offshore offices where asylum seekers traditionally could make their claim. Thosed closed offices were in Africa and Asia. The Conservatives also ditched all treaties with the EU. Ehat Labour has said is that they will FAST TRACK TO PROCESS CLAIMS. Some will be successful. Some won't. There will be no 90000 carte blanche "welcome to the UK". That's how Asylum claims work or should do. Claim made, investigation taking maybe 3 months or so (or does the Law state 2 months?) and then it's either you get your papers or you're off. There's an in between stage where asylum is denied but they are allowed to stay until such time as their country of origin is deemed by the UK government to be safe. That's how it works. That is true whatever party forms HMG. Unless of course HMG (Blue Tory version) cuts off all possibility of making a claim so folk see the small boat route as the only option... and which party was responsible for the current crisis? I'll tell you, it's the one that just lost a shed load of seats at the election, not the one currently in power..

Please keep to facts or I, and probably others, would much rather that you returned to the Red Dog board having had your asylum request, finally, refused

Being banded about , that the population will have to house them? Which reliable source within HMG did you get that from?

So, in short, re prisons, you are WRONG, re asylum seekers you are WRONG and there's no reliable source for your claim that ordinary folk will be forced to house asylum seekers.

This is about the standard amount of correctness in your many rants. You are WRONG, WRONGER and the WRONGEST. I'm quite happy to debate but only when you can back up your claims with facts from a trustworthy, credible source and most of the sources you quote are neither trustworthy nor credible.

[swaledale]

Jeez! If you're going to post facts, at least get them right.

3 weeks in, 5500 prisoners released. WRONG ! There are currently around 700 available places in cells and they will be gone, very rapidly. Currently, inmates jailed for less serious crimes, who have shown good behaviour get released early after completing 50% of their sentence. We need either far less crime or far more lenient sentences or lots of new prison cells. Less crime won't happen overnight, if at all so that's off the table. Lenient sentencing isn't the answer as that would see prisoners released even earlier. However, something has to be done. The new government has decided to reduce the early release date to 40% of time served from September. No prisoners have not been released earlier than they would have been under Sunak in the 3 weeks Labour has been in power. Around that number will be from (not in) September in order to avoid a complete breakdown of the prison service. The state of which they have just inherited. Who will be released early? The reduction in time served will not apply to those who committed serious violent offences with sentences of four years or more. IMO, anybody with the slightest common sense can see the need to release some prisoners early or we'll end up with prison riots and prison officers, as well as some inmates, injured or even killed. I would hope one of those officers would not be you or one of your close colleagues.
I am 100% certain that, had they decided to do nothing and the riots had occurred, you would have been at their throats asking why they hadn't taken some kind of action to prevent the riots... You seem to want to have your cake and eat it. You can't

90 000 Asylum amnesty coming. No, they're not. If you read what they are going to do then you'd find out that they intend to handle the backlog of hundreds of thousands of asylum claims left them by the Tories. A backlog which is the main cause of asylum seekers being put in hotels etc and 100% the fault of the Conservatives for closing down all the offshore offices where asylum seekers traditionally could make their claim. Thosed closed offices were in Africa and Asia. The Conservatives also ditched all treaties with the EU. Ehat Labour has said is that they will FAST TRACK TO PROCESS CLAIMS. Some will be successful. Some won't. There will be no 90000 carte blanche "welcome to the UK". That's how Asylum claims work or should do. Claim made, investigation taking maybe 3 months or so (or does the Law state 2 months?) and then it's either you get your papers or you're off. There's an in between stage where asylum is denied but they are allowed to stay until such time as their country of origin is deemed by the UK government to be safe. That's how it works. That is true whatever party forms HMG. Unless of course HMG (Blue Tory version) cuts off all possibility of making a claim so folk see the small boat route as the only option... and which party was responsible for the current crisis? I'll tell you, it's the one that just lost a shed load of seats at the election, not the one currently in power..

Please keep to facts or I, and probably others, would much rather that you returned to the Red Dog board having had your asylum request, finally, refused

Being banded about , that the population will have to house them? Which reliable source within HMG did you get that from?

So, in short, re prisons, you are WRONG, re asylum seekers you are WRONG and there's no reliable source for your claim that ordinary folk will be forced to house asylum seekers.

This is about the standard amount of correctness in your many rants. You are WRONG, WRONGER and the WRONGEST. I'm quite happy to debate but only when you can back up your claims with facts from a trustworthy, credible source and most of the sources you quote are neither trustworthy nor credible.

Its pointless MA, he merely parrots the lies that he reads has no concern for the truth, the facts or indeed any reality!

Its becoming obvious that the Tories have been criminally incompetent or deliberately destructive in their (mis) management of prisons, the NHS, immigration, processing (or rather failing to) of Asylum seekers, the economy, the pandemic (where it seems enriching their friends and relatives took priority over actually doing something), housing , transport, infrastructure generally, energy supply, you name it they have ****ed it up royally. Makes one wonder what they were doing for 14 years!

[ramAnag]

Jeez! If you're going to post facts, at least get them right.

Why would he change the habits of a lifetime, MA?

To please RS…it’s just ‘par for the course’ with Tricky, but then when you look at his heroes - Farage and Trump - should we be in the least surprised?

[MadAmster]

Andy, how's TTR's asylum claim coming along?

[Trickytreesreds]

oh we'll see Maddy. They are allowing 90 000 illegals to xlaim asylum, who were in limbo here, on top the those already in the system. There will be no recourse to remove them, as it will be impossible.
You want a £100 bet for charity? I'm in.

What they are doing is laughable. You don't rip down anything, without a plan to replace it. As **** as Rwanda was, it was something.
It reminded me of an undermanager who told me to remove a bandage and clamp I put on a leaking pipe, because it looked ugly.
No matter how much I protested, that the new pipe wasn't here yet, he insisted. So I removed it.
It got bigger and flooded the return gate. 2 days later, that clown was transferred.

All I see is gas lighting, to appease the screamers, with no substance.
Shut the camps/ bibby/hotels and where they going to go? The local councils are going to get swamped as the government washes its hands and tells everyone what a good job it is doing reducing the back log.

Meanwhile in Europe, they get tougher by the week. Even Sweden has seen the light now.

So, as they get truned away from Germany/Denmark/Sweden, who do you suppose is the next Favourite?

Poland has even voted in the use of live ammunition on its borders, with only 17 against. Thats how serious they are. It may not be an action I'd approve, but the message will sink in quickly.

All I've heard, is "we are going to samsh the gangs". Yippee, how has that worked with the drugs trade?
I give him a year before this blows up in his face, I'm actually starting to think Sunak has set him up for this, by calling that early election.

[Andy_Faber]

oh we'll see Maddy. They are allowing 90 000 illegals to xlaim asylum, who were in limbo here, on top the those already in the system. There will be no recourse to remove them, as it will be impossible.
You want a £100 bet for charity? I'm in.

What they are doing is laughable. You don't rip down anything, without a plan to replace it. As **** as Rwanda was, it was something.
It reminded me of an undermanager who told me to remove a bandage and clamp I put on a leaking pipe, because it looked ugly.
No matter how much I protested, that the new pipe wasn't here yet, he insisted. So I removed it.
It got bigger and flooded the return gate. 2 days later, that clown was transferred.

All I see is gas lighting, to appease the screamers, with no substance.
Shut the camps/ bibby/hotels and where they going to go? The local councils are going to get swamped as the government washes its hands and tells everyone what a good job it is doing reducing the back log.

Meanwhile in Europe, they get tougher by the week. Even Sweden has seen the light now.

So, as they get truned away from Germany/Denmark/Sweden, who do you suppose is the next Favourite?

Poland has even voted in the use of live ammunition on its borders, with only 17 against. Thats how serious they are. It may not be an action I'd approve, but the message will sink in quickly.

All I've heard, is "we are going to samsh the gangs". Yippee, how has that worked with the drugs trade?
I give him a year before this blows up in his face, I'm actually starting to think Sunak has set him up for this, by calling that early election.

All this is very much 'time will tell' Tricky. If a number are indeed given amnesty to claim asylum come what may, well that might be considered a price worth paying IF the new HMG get a grip on new arisings. They'll be seen to have failed if the backlog starts to build up again OR if more and more people are given asylum on what are (or might be viewed as) flimsy evidence. Remember in all this, human rights lawyers have no interest in the colour of the rosettes they are up against.

I've said before, and been accused of being negative, but HMG (the previous administration AND this one) are just being naive thinking they can have anything more than a minimal impact on the many-headed and regrowing serpent that is organised crime - while there is a market (for drugs, a new life, whatever) and money to be made, evil people will pop up to satisfy the need and troser the cash arising.

IMO HMG will fail big time on 'illegal' immigration (lets call it 'informal', despite the above I see both sides and of course there are genuine cases in the mix), hope to do better to curb 'legal'/formal immigration along similar lines to what the previous administration were slowly waking up to (no rush chaps, oh too late you're in opposition) and hope that their new policies elsewhere will make up for said underperformance

Just an opinion

[MadAmster]

oh we'll see Maddy. They are allowing 90 000 illegals to xlaim asylum, who were in limbo here, on top the those already in the system. There will be no recourse to remove them, as it will be impossible.
You want a £100 bet for charity? I'm in.

What they are doing is laughable. You don't rip down anything, without a plan to replace it. As **** as Rwanda was, it was something.
It reminded me of an undermanager who told me to remove a bandage and clamp I put on a leaking pipe, because it looked ugly.
No matter how much I protested, that the new pipe wasn't here yet, he insisted. So I removed it.
It got bigger and flooded the return gate. 2 days later, that clown was transferred.

All I see is gas lighting, to appease the screamers, with no substance.
Shut the camps/ bibby/hotels and where they going to go? The local councils are going to get swamped as the government washes its hands and tells everyone what a good job it is doing reducing the back log.

Meanwhile in Europe, they get tougher by the week. Even Sweden has seen the light now.

So, as they get truned away from Germany/Denmark/Sweden, who do you suppose is the next Favourite?

Poland has even voted in the use of live ammunition on its borders, with only 17 against. Thats how serious they are. It may not be an action I'd approve, but the message will sink in quickly.

All I've heard, is "we are going to samsh the gangs". Yippee, how has that worked with the drugs trade?
I give him a year before this blows up in his face, I'm actually starting to think Sunak has set him up for this, by calling that early election.

Those 90000 probably all shouted the word asylum as their first word on UK soil so they've been claimers from their first day.

[swaledale]

Those 90000 probably all shouted the word asylum as their first word on UK soil so they've been claimers from their first day.

They are the backlog of years of Tory mismanagement, or indeed wilful neglect to create a distraction. Of course pre Brexit, this wasn't an issue. There was a recognised safe route for Asylum seekers, they were processed quickly, those with genuine claims were accepted and integrated quickly into society, started working contributing paying taxes etc. and virtually nobody noticed. Those that weren't were returned in line with the EU agreement to the first safe country or deported.

The numbers are a fraction of those that claim asylum in Europe, but of course Brexit means we now import migrants from outside the EU rather than from within the EU, most of whom went back to their country of origin and those numbers dwarf the numbers of Asylum seekers, still this is what Brexiteers wanted apparently.

[Geoff Parkstone]

It didn't take long for the new government to produce the "the Tories left it in a bigger mess than anyone thought" card, shortly to be followed by the "we'll have to increase taxes after all despite our promises" card in the immediate future.

So transparent, so predictible. Reverse those NI cuts please.

[swaledale]

It didn't take long for the new government to produce the "the Tories left it in a bigger mess than anyone thought" card, shortly to be followed by the "we'll have to increase taxes after all despite our promises" card in the immediate future.

So transparent, so predictible. Reverse those NI cuts please.

Indeed they should be reversed, though the line from Labour is that "working people" whatever that means but is presumably a euphemism for "the average Jo or indeed Jean) won't see their taxes raised.

Also if you recall Labour made no specific promise about not raising certain taxes, but did say that nothing in their manifesto required tax rises.

Apparently this time t instead of one note saying there's no money left there were several.

We have ignored pay recommendations by pay review bodies for public sector workers

The prisons are full and we have done **** all to sort it

The defence budget is woeful and we have done **** all to sort it

Schools are crumbling, teachers are leaving in droves and we have done **** al to sort it

We spent all the money on useless PPE provided by our mates instead of the NHS (but counted it as NHS spending

The tax cuts we made were unfunded and the tax cuts we promised at the election even more so

The water companies are ****ed and we have done **** all to sort it

The Justice system is ****ed and we have done **** all to sort it

The actual costs of the ludicrous Rwanda scheme are £700 million not £400 million

There is no budget left to complete the fictitous 40 new hospitals

I could go on but you get the drift!

[Trickytreesreds]

and just like that (poof) the winter payments go.

Meanwhile, get your head around this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrBvDbTie4g

This country is bonkers and its only going to get worse, not better.