Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

But all the polls in the world won't change anything. We have 4 or more years of KS barring something extraordinary happening.

You sound a bit like rA moaning about the Tories for years whilst also knowing their majority meant nothing would change.

As to the IPSOS issues poll, I can understand the sentiment in the key issues but I don't believe any cohesive strategies are in place (yet?) to address them but I don't think any government can bury their head in the sand for ever

Starmer was banging a drum befoe the election, that he was going to smash the gangs and appoint a head of a task force to organise it.
The first words out his mouth were " his plans won't work"

[Trickytreesreds]

Actually he sounds nothing like it…the differences being that 1. I reply in my own words not via YouTube etc. 2. The Tories had been in power for six years (!) before I ever contributed to this forum whereas Labour/KS have been in power for approximately three months. 2. Most of my objections were aimed at the dishonesty involved in the Referendum and the wrongdoings of Boris Johnson between 2016 and 2022…all of which now seem thoroughly well founded and did actually lead to the overthrow of 2019’s massive Tory majority.
Anyway down to Jenrick, Cleverly and Badenoch I see now…so that’s the last decent(ish) Tory out of the race to elect a new leader of the opposition.
Reap what you sow and let’s hope against hope that those in the U.S. show a great deal more sense in a little under a month.

Oh my, that bit is lane.
Referendum dishonesty? Really, do you want to go down that road?
Johnsons misdoings will look pale compared to this plank. He is already unravelling faster than a split golf ball.
You think thats what over threw the Tories?
OMG, try not fullfilling what they were voted in for in 209, To finish Brexit completely and that meant full control of our laws and borders.
They lost 50% of their vote because of that, not Johnsons wall paper.

[ramAnag]

Oh my, that bit is lane.
Referendum dishonesty? Really, do you want to go down that road?
Johnsons misdoings will look pale compared to this plank. He is already unravelling faster than a split golf ball.
You think thats what over threw the Tories?
OMG, try not fullfilling what they were voted in for in 209, To finish Brexit completely and that meant full control of our laws and borders.
They lost 50% of their vote because of that, not Johnsons wall paper.

Nope, no point at all in going down that road (again)…largely because you’re in total denial making rational argument completely futile…and if you really think Johnson’s dishonesty was confined to ‘wallpaper’ then there’s all the proof about your mindset that most will need.

What overthrew the Tories? Incompetence, dishonesty, lack of integrity, greed, corruption and being caught out. You cannot seriously compare 14 years of that with just over three months of beginning to try and sort out the mess that was left…no matter how much you and the right wing press will doubtless continue to try.

Me? Got better things to do than respond further to your foolishness.

[MadAmster]

... plus, the "sleaze" they are currently throwing at KS et al comes from the fact that they DECLARED the gifts, exactly as the rules say they should. IMO they shouldn't get these gifts in the first place but, apart from Corbyn, there's not many politicians who would routinely refuse such offers.

[swaledale]

Nope, no point at all in going down that road (again)…largely because you’re in total denial making rational argument completely futile…and if you really think Johnson’s dishonesty was confined to ‘wallpaper’ then there’s all the proof about your mindset that most will need.

What overthrew the Tories? Incompetence, dishonesty, lack of integrity, greed, corruption and being caught out. You cannot seriously compare 14 years of that with just over three months of beginning to try and sort out the mess that was left…no matter how much you and the right wing press will doubtless continue to try.

Me? Got better things to do than respond further to your foolishness.

Its really quite funny watching somebody make themselves look a complete tool, by repeating desperate slurs which pumped out by a biased media and dodgy internet sources. The extent to which he has lost the plot is bizarre.

A few facts - the donations accepted by Starmer and all, apart from those concerning his wife (which was swiftly corrected) properly declared in accordance with the rules which all MP's of all political colours are subject to, pale in comparison to those (not all of which were declared) accepted by Johnson, his wallpaper (circa £100K exceeds them alone) but then there was his wedding costs covered £23K the provision of a house after he was ousted as PM until he had found somewhere else to live, plus before he was elected leader he had £500K of donations.

Whatever one thinks of political donations, and clearly most especially from companies rather than individuals are looking for influence rather than altruistically supporting a political party a rich person approves of, the fact is unless we switch to a tax payer funded political system they are a fact of life and pale in comparison to the US.

Its also a little ironic that our "Red supporting friend" doesn't seem to muse why some billionaires are funding Farage and Geebeebies, I mean why would someone pay £47 million a year to fund a loss making TV station that no sentient person actually watches? MM tricky (no pun intended) one that!

[ramAnag]

... plus, the "sleaze" they are currently throwing at KS et al comes from the fact that they DECLARED the gifts, exactly as the rules say they should. IMO they shouldn't get these gifts in the first place but, apart from Corbyn, there's not many politicians who would routinely refuse such offers.

Indeed, MA. Very true…but I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s a waste of time explaining such things to those who still seek a different reasoning behind the loss of three PM’s, not to mention the replacement of an 80 seat Tory majority by a 172 Labour one all in the space of about four and a half years.

[Andy_Faber]

our "Red supporting friend"

I know it’s a struggle Swale but try calling him Tricky or TTR

[swaledale]

I know it’s a struggle Swale but try calling him Tricky or TTR

Ah the Gruppenführer strikes again!!

Now your just being a ****ing arse! if some ones posting stuff that makes him look like a tool, thats the truth.

For someone who supposedly is an advocate of freedom of speech, now telling others what they should call other posters is more than a little ****tish, but then if it posts like a ****, has the opinions of a ****, I guess their a ****!

Anyway if it pleases your little mind to delete my posts which offend your sensibilities then do carry on, you must have an awful lot of time on your hands you saddo.

[swaledale]

Indeed, MA. Very true…but I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s a waste of time explaining such things to those who still seek a different reasoning behind the loss of three PM’s, not to mention the replacement of an 80 seat Tory majority by a 172 Labour one all in the space of about four and a half years.

I did post a response rA but the Gruppenfurher deleted it, seems its pretty soon going to be pointless having any discussion on here, mind you the posts by "Our Red Friend" are to be honest pointless.

This IS going to be fun going forward, the bloke must have time on his hands.

[MadAmster]

I did post a response rA but the Gruppenfurher deleted it, seems its pretty soon going to be pointless having any discussion on here, mind you the posts by "Our Red Friend" are to be honest pointless.

This IS going to be fun going forward, the bloke must have time on his hands.

I am unaware of any deletions. Just maybe, the adult thing going forward would be to refrain from antagonistic nicknames one has dreamt up. That also applies to those using terms like "rear gunner" way too frequently.

[swaledale]

I am unaware of any deletions. Just maybe, the adult thing going forward would be to refrain from antagonistic nicknames one has dreamt up. That also applies to those using terms like "rear gunner" way too frequently.

Thats the point, I have not in any of the posts he deleted used that nickname, not an issue, its down to his random decision as to what I've posted and I won't however be dictated to on how I phrase my posts. Especially by someone who ignores openly racist, xenophobic and bigoted posts by the same poster.

[MadAmster]

Thats the point, I have not in any of the posts he deleted used that nickname, not an issue, its down to his random decision as to what I've posted and I won't however be dictated to on how I phrase my posts. Especially by someone who ignores openly racist, xenophobic and bigoted posts by the same poster.

I can't comment as I have no idea what he's deleted nor do I know why.

[Andy_Faber]

Thats the point, I have not in any of the posts he deleted used that nickname, not an issue, its down to his random decision as to what I've posted and I won't however be dictated to on how I phrase my posts. Especially by someone who ignores openly racist, xenophobic and bigoted posts by the same poster.

Correct, you used a different, derogatory one. In one case You then 95% repeated the point you’d made in the deleted post without the name calling, it is still on the thread. That demonstrates that you’re not having posts deleted for random reasons, There has been nothing random about it, all posts have been deleted for name calling.

[swaledale]

Indeed, MA. Very true…but I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s a waste of time explaining such things to those who still seek a different reasoning behind the loss of three PM’s, not to mention the replacement of an 80 seat Tory majority by a 172 Labour one all in the space of about four and a half years.

Johnson's donations

he ex-Tory PM borrowed £52k from a Tory donor to redecorate No 10 flat (which he initially forgot to declare)

He received luxury holiday worth around £15k from a Tory donor to Mustique with wife Carrie in 2019

He received a £24k donation from Tory donor towards his wedding to Carrie in 2022

He accepted free accommodation worth £23.5k from Tory donor after being turfed out of Downing Street...

[swaledale]

Correct, you used a different, derogatory one. In one case You then 95% repeated the point you’d made in the deleted post without the name calling, it is still on the thread. That demonstrates that you’re not having posts deleted for random reasons, There has been nothing random about it, all posts have been deleted for name calling.

Not true, you have deleted at least two posts where there was no name calling and Tricky is a tool!