Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Couldn’t agree more with your Goebbels comment, but many of the examples you introduced or the example of the Poll tax rioters didn’t involve misinformation and were targeting a cause rather than deliberately inciting mistrust/hatred of another ethnic/religious group.

Misinformation about a cause is not so bad then? Misinformation about eg Muslims isn't?

Never let me hear you mention the Brexit bus again....

[ramAnag]

Misinformation about a cause is not so bad then? Misinformation about eg Muslims isn't?

Never let me hear you mention the Brexit bus again....

Fair point and fine lines. Both wrong, but I feel misinformation aimed at discrediting a race or religion is more malicious.

[Andy_Faber]

Fair point and fine lines. Both wrong, but I feel misinformation aimed at discrediting a race or religion is more malicious.

Which I feel you?ve done repeatedly against Christians when retorting against tricky rants, possibly more generalising than discretion but still misinforming. IMO the rioting, abhorrent as it was, and the rise of ?the right?, is the tip of an iceberg of frustration against an ?intelligencia? pushing a pro-diversity, anti-tradition narrative. My wandering s offer me a thousands anecdotes to that effect, but I?m not allowed to offer them?

[swaledale]

Which I feel you?ve done repeatedly against Christians when retorting against tricky rants, possibly more generalising than discretion but still misinforming. IMO the rioting, abhorrent as it was, and the rise of ?the right?, is the tip of an iceberg of frustration against an ?intelligencia? pushing a pro-diversity, anti-tradition narrative. My wandering s offer me a thousands anecdotes to that effect, but I?m not allowed to offer them?

Pushing a pro diversity, anti tradition narrative? Mm I think you've been reading to much fake propaganda again to spout such tosh. As for your anecdotes, of course your allowed to offer them, its just that those of us with half a brain realise they are nothing more than stories, that can easily be countered by other anecdotes which demonstrate the opposite to what you claim. Plus anybody who as you have done in the past professes to be concerned by a perception that there are "too many ethnic presenters etc. appearing in the media" clearly has an inbuilt prejudice.

If one looks at the facts, the vast majority of the rioters were narrow minded wasters who weren't actually rebelling against anything but jumped on the band wagon joined the mob to enhance their petty boring lives.

If you really cant see that certain people with influence, the name Farage comes to mind, are pushing an agenda of scapegoating certain sectors of the community in order to stir up the frustrations (many of them understandable but in no way related to immigration or Muslims) on behalf and funded by certain elite billionaires who don't give a toss about ether the lives of these people or indeed these "traditions" your mentioning, then unfortunately you clearly lack the capability to understand what's going on.

Your comments also suggest - encouraging diversity upsets you, though quite why encouraging the participation and respect for those in society who have "traditionally" been discriminated against, disrespected and had their life options severely curtailed due to narrow prejudice is a problem is quite puzzling. Indeed as a self claimed "Christian" I would ahve thought you would welcome a more equal and fair society, but there again IF all those who proclaimed to be followers of Christ, the world would be a very different place.

Anti-tradition - yep life moves on, traditions change, always have always will, sad that many people as they get older become less flexible, less willing to accept that life is different today, but thats inevitable and no amount of harking back will change this.

Also many "traditions" are nothing more than rituals designed to keep people in their place and are better for their abandonment.

Oh and the guy in the Southport atrocity was raised as a Christian, funny nobody is calling for the mass deportations/ punishment of Christians isn't it?

[ramAnag]

Which I feel you?ve done repeatedly against Christians when retorting against tricky rants,

I’m sorry Andy but that’s probably the daftest thing you’ve ever written. I’d be offended if I took any notice of you these days.

I’d love you to provide one example of me being anti Christian. I may well have been critical of certain church leaders but, for the record, I believe all organised religion to be based on little more than elaborate fairy stories and I believe that, perversely throughout history, more people have died in the name of one god or other than virtually anything else. Having said that I believe Jesus Christ to be one of the greatest role models of all. I’m just able to put him in the same category as the likes of Robin Hood and Gandalf.

You could also perhaps provide an example of what opinions you feel you’re not allowed to offer.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Jesus came from Nottingham? Why does he have a Mexican name then? Have you had a Friday night of too much Pedigree....

[macstheman]

I don't know about Jesus coming from Nottm but some force is sprinkling stardust on the Trent End whilst we seem to be in the do do! I see Hull beat the Blades 3 nowt to drop us into the bottom three!

[SithHappens]

Its funny, how certain people are in jail for spreading hate on social media and Starmer calls it out.
Yet perhaps people under his nose need to be in jail as well?

Have folks forgotten this ?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ologise-update

He was very wrong with the words he used, he was right to be angry with the article Jan Moir wrote though about Stephen Gateley.

I think today if he wrote these tweets he'd be in much more trouble and rightly so.

[SithHappens]

To an extent, yes. But there was a huge amount of misinformation put forward via social media and certain politicians claiming, amongst other things, that the perpetrator had recently arrived on a small boat. Given the political climate at the time we all know why and that, imo, is why social media is so dangerous. It mobilises dangerous half wits who don’t want to have their prejudices fact checked.

Oh I agree.

How appropriate maybe that reference has been made to streetings response to Jan Moirs article about Stephen Gateley.

That article was an example where when it's written in a way where people understand what you are trying to say, however if there is a backlash you hide behind the 'i was only asking questions ' defence. I wonder where else we've heard that recently?

[SithHappens]

Jesus came from Nottingham? Why does he have a Mexican name then? Have you had a Friday night of too much Pedigree....

Well Robin Hood was from yorkshire so maybe Jesus came from there too.

[Trickytreesreds]

Well Robin Hood was from yorkshire so maybe Jesus came from there too.

well we have been looking at signing Jesus
We've had God here, only fair.

https://apltoday.com/2024/12/10/finally-nottingham-forest-a-few-steps-to-sign-33m-striker-jesuswho-will-really-save-chris-wood-on-cross/

[ramAnag]

well we have been looking at signing Jesus
We've had God here, only fair.

https://apltoday.com/2024/12/10/fina...wood-on-cross/

He’s not the one, true Igor. Anyway, it seems he’s going to Everton.

[Trickytreesreds]

What?s funny, although in the circumstances that?s an entirely inappropriate word, is the way in which you shapeshift and deflect when you?re losing the argument.

On 29th October you wrote ?So it was another Islam motivated crime then??

Later the same day you added, ?It is Islamic terrorism and the government/Police decided to hush it up.?

On 30th October you concluded, ?that the rioters weren?t that far wrong in their anger??

No, it wasn?t, it was the crazed and undeniably evil actions of a seriously maladjusted adolescent.

No, it wasn?t and no they didn?t. They couldn?t share what they knew at that time.

Yes they were. Nothing the rioters did helped at all and they were acting, at best, on the basis of malicious misinformation.

my shape shifting?

You refuse to accept the government ****ed this one badly.

They knew of his history, painted him a welsh choirboy, Within hours of raiding his home, terror manuals. ricin etc. Yet Rayner denied it was a terror attack.
btw, anyone killing can claim mental problems, as it isn't normal. Its a bollox defence

The white washing cover ups are all over the board, with information with held. Descriptions curbed, catagories changed to suit.
It isn't just here, its all over Europe, From grooming gangs, to knife crime, figures are omitted or changed to hide patterns.

Starmers blanket far right slurs , are an affront to free speach and opinions. But nothing that bloke does surproses me.

[SithHappens]

He’s not the one, true Igor. Anyway, it seems he’s going to Everton.

You can understand him wanting to go to a big club really

[ramAnag]

my shape shifting?

You refuse to accept the government ****ed this one badly.

They knew of his history, painted him a welsh choirboy, Within hours of raiding his home, terror manuals. ricin etc. Yet Rayner denied it was a terror attack.
btw, anyone killing can claim mental problems, as it isn't normal. Its a bollox defence

The white washing cover ups are all over the board, with information with held. Descriptions curbed, catagories changed to suit.
It isn't just here, its all over Europe, From grooming gangs, to knife crime, figures are omitted or changed to hide patterns.

Starmers blanket far right slurs , are an affront to free speach and opinions. But nothing that bloke does surproses me.

Tricky, how many times do you have to have it explained?

Rudakubana had been referred to counter-extremism three times, ALL obviously under the previous government and each time he was NOT viewed as a terrorist threat.

Could the police and new PM - he’d been in post for three weeks - have communicated better? Possibly but they were constrained by the ‘contempt’ laws and an understandable reluctance to jeopardise the court case which was dealt with as ‘successfully’ as possible last week.

In conclusion this was the ‘work’ of a sick, sad loner with no hope and no appropriate role model in his life. Like all such massacres, this was as sad and tragic as it gets however there was no conspiracy. Jenrick, Farage, amongst others including yourself, were wrong to make their incendiary comments and the rioting was nothing other than totally destructive and,as the judge observed, ‘idiotic’.