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[Andy_Faber]

Hmm now let me add a dimension. I recently spent longer than I had wanted in hospital. My "favourite" nurse in terms of empathy, competence and being all round nice was Moslem. So applying rA logic should I love or hate her?

It's not about generic stereotyping. There are good and bad in every aspect of life. Take a view of the individual, not a wide group as they will never always be the same as all others. It's lazy, presumptive and simply wrong to tar everyone with the same brush

Thanks for sticking your head above the parapet and giving an actual answer, but I disagree, we all resort to stereotyping, and we do it all the time. The three lads over there shuffling round in black hooded tops, the chap who just asked you for directions in a gentle feminine tone, the owner of the Audi heading your way who should give way. As I say, ‘we’ do it all the time, ‘we’ might well be mostly right or mostly wrong according to the depth of our prejudice or paranoia. But we all do it. Laziness maybe, risk mitigation also maybe

[Andy_Faber]

Hmm now let me add a dimension. I recently spent longer than I had wanted in hospital. My "favourite" nurse in terms of empathy, competence and being all round nice was Moslem. So applying rA logic should I love or hate her?

According to rA logic you should love her. According to my logic you should love her

[ramAnag]

According to rA logic you should love her. According to my logic you should love her

You speak for yourself. According to my logic you should judge her on the basis of her empathy, compassion and competence alone. How is her religion/ethnicity even relevant?

[Andy_Faber]

You speak for yourself. According to my logic you should judge her on the basis of her empathy, compassion and competence alone. How is her religion/ethnicity even relevant?

It isn?t, that was my point - GP clearly appreciated her empathy compassion and competence, her religion wasn?t a consideration - I thought you would have understood that

[ramAnag]

It isn?t, that was my point - GP clearly appreciated her empathy compassion and competence, her religion wasn?t a consideration - I thought you would have understood that

Lol. I understand very little of what you have to say these days, AF. Still waiting for you to explain how I discredit Christians, what it is you feel you can no longer say or for that less one dimensional answer you accused me of earlier. Won’t hold my breath.

[Geoff Parkstone]

rA, I think it fair to say that you exhibit anti Christian and pro Muslim tendencies in many of your posts and thus assume these are what you feel. Like me , think you are anti most religions but your love of the underdog underpins this ando so you come across as stated.

[Geoff Parkstone]

But please don't let this get into a religious debate

[ramAnag]

rA, I think it fair to say that you exhibit anti Christian and pro Muslim tendencies in many of your posts and thus assume these are what you feel. Like me , think you are anti most religions but your love of the underdog underpins this ando so you come across as stated.

If I do, GP, then I’ve either been deliberately misunderstood or I’ve made my case very badly and if it’s the latter, I apologise.
I was brought up as a Christian, went to a CoE Primary School, used to sing in one of the country’s leading choirs, am a godfather and regularly raise money for the upkeep of our local church, albeit as a piece of history.
I believe that the example of Jesus Christ is one which we would all do well to follow however, possibly like you, I feel that the original example has been tarnished by the use of organised religion as a means of social control and I have no time for the hypocrisy which can all too regularly be seen as synonymous with religion throughout the centuries.

I’m not pro Muslim at all. As I’ve said, I feel most organised religions have a great deal to answer for however I believe there to be a clear and obvious link between those with a racist agenda and those who aim to discredit/blame Islam at every opportunity. If I have a creed it’s one of ‘live and let live’ and ‘do unto others as you would have done to you’.

Hope that’s cleared that up. I’m not anti any religion, neither do I subscribe to any, but - curiously on the anniversary of Auschwitz - I’m opposed to the persecution and demonisation of those who choose to follow one…however misguidedly.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I was raised CofE - I think all our generation were - and went to a secondary school of Catholic origins but one that was basically secular. Anyway one kid who was Buddhist in whole school, a few non Orthodox Jews and no one of any other faith. 50 odd years later and it's a whole different story and I imagine RE is a completely different thing there.

Secondary school totally turned me off religion, it probably would do the same if I was there now, although the teaching would probably be more balanced.

Sorry but your post created a bizarre image in my mind of angelic boy soprano rA doing solos at Oldham cathedral if there is one. No it's not a city is it - Manchester cathedral then. Standing in cassock and surplice before a gushing crowd of parents, fearful of the forthcoming castration to maintain performance sills!

[Geoff Parkstone]

PS I was the only 11 year old in my year who failed the audition to the school choir fuelling a lifelong hatred of singing

[MadAmster]

PS I was the only 11 year old in my year who failed the audition to the school choir fuelling a lifelong hatred of singing

We got a new music teacher. He wanted more members for the choir. First music lesson he got everybody up individually, played a note, you sang it, he played another and so on. first lad mailed 4 notes on the trot. You're in, he said. The lad was too timid to argue. next 5 all purposely hit the worst possible version of the notes played and were told NO! Then came the Amster. Note perfect. You're in he said. Oh no I'm not, I replied. So began the usual panto back and forth, oh yes you are... Eventually he asked why not? I told him choir practice clashed with swimming training and I was getting to County finals and hoped to get further. Ah, but there's swimming training Monday too. Once a week is not enough, I replied. This went on for the rest of the lesson. I was the class hero. Next music lesson, the remaining 25 or so all hit false notes and were excused. Fun times.

[ramAnag]

I was raised CofE - I think all our generation were - and went to a secondary school of Catholic origins but one that was basically secular. Anyway one kid who was Buddhist in whole school, a few non Orthodox Jews and no one of any other faith. 50 odd years later and it's a whole different story and I imagine RE is a completely different thing there.

Secondary school totally turned me off religion, it probably would do the same if I was there now, although the teaching would probably be more balanced.

Sorry but your post created a bizarre image in my mind of angelic boy soprano rA doing solos at Oldham cathedral if there is one. No it's not a city is it - Manchester cathedral then. Standing in cassock and surplice before a gushing crowd of parents, fearful of the forthcoming castration to maintain performance sills!

Lol…not far off. Won a choral scholarship at ten and was at boarding school 200 miles from home till my voice broke at 14 under the influence of numerous cigarettes. Then returned north and had the same experience as MA. Music teacher thought he was getting a gifted musical addition to the school choir. He was disappointed. All I wanted was to play rugby, football and cricket along with the usual adolescent mischief and told him so in no uncertain terms.

However, my point was. My upbringing was entirely Christian and I still identify with most Christian values albeit in a non attending capacity. There is no way in which I am anti Christian.

[Andy_Faber]

However, my point was. My upbringing was entirely Christian and I still identify with most Christian values albeit in a non attending capacity. There is no way in which I am anti Christian.

But, as you seem to trust GP's views more than I, you do accept now that my observation is valid.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Andy: you don't trust my views?? I'm devastated ☹️

[Andy_Faber]

Andy: you don't trust my views?? I'm devastated ☹️

I don?t think I phrased that very well. ?I? should have read ?mine?. Soz