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[ramAnag]

But, as you seem to trust GP's views more than I, you do accept now that my observation is valid.

No I don’t think your observation is remotely valid and it’s not about trust. GP made an observation. You made an accusation, a completely unfounded one.
I am no more anti Christian than I was anti English when Tricky made that accusation ages ago.
It’s a discrediting tactic from both of you and I still await a single piece of evidence which has enabled you to describe me as anti Christian.

[Andy_Faber]

GP made an observation. You made an accusation
.

You?re clutching at split hairs there rA, but it?s a spat that could just go on so I?ll just let others ?observe? like GP did and come to their own conclusions

[SithHappens]

I think that’s part of Sith’s point, Tricky.
It isn’t Farage’s fault what his pervy nephew does, although I suspect you would have been rapidly asking questions had it been a relation of Starmer who had been upskirting and avoided serious punishment.
It also isn’t the fault of Muslims in general what you report Adil Rashid to have done.

So far from being selective, we’ve all heard of perverted vicars, corrupt coppers, dodgy teachers, crooked accountants, and pa edophile sports coaches in recent times. Most will recognise that they’re all just a tiny minority. Unfortunately you are unable to recognise that the same is true of Muslims and that the vast majority are neither exploitative or extremist.

You are right.

Tricky talks about being selective, yet his hero Farage is very much so.

He's been been very vocal about the abuse of girls and women by Muslim gangs and rightly so, yet only last week was pictured cosying up to McGregor and in the US supporting Trump.

Both who have been found guilty of ***ual abuse. I think taking a stand when it comes to abuse is commendable but only if it's irrespective of race, religion or photo opportunity or personal gain.

[ramAnag]

You?re clutching at split hairs there rA, but it?s a spat that could just go on so I?ll just let others ?observe? like GP did and come to their own conclusions

That’ll be another case of you providing absolutely no evidence then, AF. Becoming a bit of a habit, but fine by me for others to reach their own conclusions.

[swaledale]

No I don’t think your observation is remotely valid and it’s not about trust. GP made an observation. You made an accusation, a completely unfounded one.
I am no more anti Christian than I was anti English when Tricky made that accusation ages ago.
It’s a discrediting tactic from both of you and I still await a single piece of evidence which has enabled you to describe me as anti Christian.

I'm not so much anti Christian or indeed anti religion, anyone is entitled to believe whatever they want to with the important caveats, that they don't try and shove it down others throats or use to influence other people's lives, that they actually observe and practice the tenets of the faith they claim to believe in, rather than select the bits that suit them and ignore the bits that don't and that they respect the right of others to believe other things or not as they wish.

Frankly don't give stuff what a person believes in provided it doesn't have a malign influence on mine and other peoples lives.

[MadAmster]

Trump knew absolutely nothing about Project 2025. Not heard of it. Not read it. Not going to. It's a complete coincidence that he is implementing most of it in the first 9 days of his tenure...

[swaledale]

Trump knew absolutely nothing about Project 2025. Not heard of it. Not read it. Not going to. It's a complete coincidence that he is implementing most of it in the first 9 days of his tenure...

Well he has signed a flurry of executive orders, that doesn't mean anything gets implemented, indeed he has rowed back on the federal aid suspension. Seems to me its his usual **** show, a lot of bluster, some action which is relatively easy to do, like increasing troops on the border and his Tech Bros now falling out with each other, the battle of the egos.

Anybody can break stuff, its building a sustainable solution that actually works that is the problem.

[ramAnag]

Well he has signed a flurry of executive orders, that doesn't mean anything gets implemented, indeed he has rowed back on the federal aid suspension. Seems to me its his usual **** show, a lot of bluster, some action which is relatively easy to do, like increasing troops on the border and his Tech Bros now falling out with each other, the battle of the egos.

Anybody can break stuff, its building a sustainable solution that actually works that is the problem.

Hasn’t stopped him blaming diversity, equity and inclusion for today’s awful Washington air crash. He really is a loathsome individual.

[MadAmster]

Hasn’t stopped him blaming diversity, equity and inclusion for today’s awful Washington air crash. He really is a loathsome individual.

I was going to refer to him as being a c*nt but then I realised they are useful...

[Trickytreesreds]

Hasn?t stopped him blaming diversity, equity and inclusion for today?s awful Washington air crash. He really is a loathsome individual.

after the way the left has spent 4 years sticking the knife in, you can bet your bottom dollar he will be returning it.

But before you dismiss his comment give it some thought. We see it here in jobs like the police, by putting the best person for the job last, to satisfy the altar of diversity/equality/inclusion. Even white guys with superior qualifaications for the RAF, were turned away and a lesser qualified candidate,ethnic minority taken on.

Here a whistle blower for you.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/01/31/diversity-hiring-cost-me-job-at-faa-a-crash-was-inevitable/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIJkNxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZyY90NoZQrvXw5xPFr2QEwmCgfoylzwYMHRYF3EsJnPqD-u4UIWq15xvg_aem_N_XyVTkpUpXWvJdTkCD36A

In case you cannot access it, here it is again

https://news.yahoo.com/news/diversit...%20to%20happen.

[Andy_Faber]

after the way the left has spent 4 years sticking the knife in, you can bet your bottom dollar he will be returning it.

But before you dismiss his comment give it some thought. We see it here in jobs like the police, by putting the best person for the job last, to satisfy the altar of diversity/equality/inclusion. Even white guys with superior qualifaications for the RAF, were turned away and a lesser qualified candidate,ethnic minority taken on.

Here a whistle blower for you.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/01/31/diversity-hiring-cost-me-job-at-faa-a-crash-was-inevitable/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIJkNxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZyY90NoZQrvXw5xPFr2QEwmCgfoylzwYMHRYF3EsJnPqD-u4UIWq15xvg_aem_N_XyVTkpUpXWvJdTkCD36A

In case you cannot access it, here it is again

https://news.yahoo.com/news/diversit...%20to%20happen.

Let?s all agree (even you Tricky) that Trumps timing shows him up to be crass and unfeeling. He was similar regarding the guy who died in his assassination attempt, it?s almost like his empathy for the recently deceased has been wiped from his brain.

BUT, we?ve had a discussion some time ago, when we were more inclined to listening to all views not just our own, and even the most liberal of we few agreed that quotas were a bad thing (I paraphrase there but that was the sentiment) and my observation is that quotas are one of the cornerstones of radical DEI. Personally, I?m flying into USA soon and for sure I want the most able folk managing my flight.

[SithHappens]

I agree quotas are not a good thing. In my career I've never known someone employed because it enabled someone to hit a quota.

I have however been witness to discrimination based on ***, disability and race.

With zero evidence to furnish, I would be still willing to bet that there is still far more discrimination when it comes to the workplace than satisfying quotas.

[ramAnag]

after the way the left has spent 4 years sticking the knife in, you can bet your bottom dollar he will be returning it.

But before you dismiss his comment give it some thought. We see it here in jobs like the police, by putting the best person for the job last, to satisfy the altar of diversity/equality/inclusion. Even white guys with superior qualifaications for the RAF, were turned away and a lesser qualified candidate,ethnic minority taken on.

Here a whistle blower for you.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/01/31/diversity-hiring-cost-me-job-at-faa-a-crash-was-inevitable/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIJkNxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZyY90NoZQrvXw5xPFr2QEwmCgfoylzwYMHRYF3EsJnPqD-u4UIWq15xvg_aem_N_XyVTkpUpXWvJdTkCD36A

In case you cannot access it, here it is again

https://news.yahoo.com/news/diversit...%20to%20happen.

Link doesn’t work but I can probably guess the tone given the source.

The point surely is, he’s now - regrettably - the leader of the U.S. He’s supposed to act responsibly and with dignity and empathy at times like this.
A less dignified response I cannot imagine and a less responsible one, which is already in danger of prejudicing the inquiry, is also hard to imagine.
There are many examples of people making claims with zero evidence on here and elsewhere. We don’t need the leader of the ‘free world’ to join in.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Trump is certainly Bertie Blunt and Vance is his parrot, if anyone remembers Viz. However ill judged / timed his comments, there is more than a kernel of truth in the observation that affirmative action re DEI isn't a sound policy for all jobs. If it's for flipping burgers then no worries, but for jobs requiring strong skill sets it's not a good basis for allocating jobs. Yet is forced on all sectors of the economy - even the billionaires playground of NFL hires with the Rooney Rule mandating minority interviews - although I think I'm right in saying that 20+ years since it was introduced there are the same number of African American head coaches as in 2003 (but as not all new coaches appointed, no guarantees.

[Trickytreesreds]

Let?s all agree (even you Tricky) that Trumps timing shows him up to be crass and unfeeling. He was similar regarding the guy who died in his assassination attempt, it?s almost like his empathy for the recently deceased has been wiped from his brain.

BUT, we?ve had a discussion some time ago, when we were more inclined to listening to all views not just our own, and even the most liberal of we few agreed that quotas were a bad thing (I paraphrase there but that was the sentiment) and my observation is that quotas are one of the cornerstones of radical DEI. Personally, I?m flying into USA soon and for sure I want the most able folk managing my flight.

Never said any other. Trump is what he is. His comments are inflamatory to the reletives, but those scoffing at his comments shouldn't dismiss them as just Trump being Trump.
If what he says has merit, then I am horrified that people of lower abilities have been squeezed into a job like that purely to satisfy woke numbers.

I remember watching a documentury on it a couple of years ago. The job is mind blowing/ high stress/and intense with little respite.
The controllers called it stacking tin.
The guy in my example scored 100% in his tests and was sidelined for lesser candidates. Thats just plain stupid.