Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Very little, if you can?t/won?t explain yourself.

The quote is, ?I think you need to grab a socialy workers placard and run for a free Palestime march, where you can trash Farage/Trump/Jews/Tories etc among many of the same ilk as you.
I?m sure you?ll feel much happier instead wasting it on here.?

I know it?s appallingly written and riddled with errors, but if that isn?t a case of Tricky saying, amongst other things, that Sith wants to have a go at Farage/Trump/Jews and Tories then what do you suggest he is saying?

We all recognise that Sith has little more than contempt for Farage and Trump and that he hasn?t got much time for a certain type of Tory, but to suggest that he is anti Semitic is, imo, nonsense and quite probably - in more important circumstances - libellous.

It is a completely indefensible statement and your lack of any explanation for your failure to act along with Tricky?s repeated refusal to retract is increasingly incomprehensible. You?re a moderator. Tricky is an ex moderator. You should both know better and need to explain yourselves imo.

I see AF has ignored your perfectly reasonable post! Funny that! But what's been obvious to me is that AF holds similar views to the bonkers red one, but presents a much more reasonable approach, being careful not to overstep the mark. Why else as moderator would he ignore the numerous xenophobic, misogynistic and racist posts that guy has made over the past few years? And the guy has form, some of his posts on ForestMad were beyond debate or banter or offering a different point of view, they were dwon right creepy, offensive and nasty.

I whole heartedly agree that ignoring the dumb red one is correct, its tempting to respond but the guy is past an sensible debate.

[swaledale]

Going back to a recent ?discussion?, interestingly the BBC news lead story this am appeared to resolve the conundrum of whether (a significant majority of) ?Turkish? (or other eastern-ethnic) barber shops are an example of ?immigrant? industriousness or a front for money laundering, illegal cigarette sales, use of illegal ?immigrants? and other criminal activities, very much in favour of the latter (at least in the target area, although the subsequent TV discussion suggested it was UK-wide). Weight of evidence therein sort of makes our earlier discussion a bit pointless

Excellent piece of deflection, on a par with your best efforts to date!!

[Trickytreesreds]

I see AF has ignored your perfectly reasonable post! Funny that! But what's been obvious to me is that AF holds similar views to the bonkers red one, but presents a much more reasonable approach, being careful not to overstep the mark. Why else as moderator would he ignore the numerous xenophobic, misogynistic and racist posts that guy has made over the past few years? And the guy has form, some of his posts on ForestMad were beyond debate or banter or offering a different point of view, they were dwon right creepy, offensive and nasty.

I whole heartedly agree that ignoring the dumb red one is correct, its tempting to respond but the guy is past an sensible debate.

brilliant

[Andy_Faber]

So three of this small band of brothers have chosen not to engage in discussion with the only person with a consistently conflicting view. I'm impartial so its for others to judge how grown up that is, but I wonder if you've considered that such actions now allow TTR to have free reign to post whatever he wants unchallenged/un-responded too apart from by relative newcomers, the less-bothered and the in-it-for-the joshers. I do wonder how long your resolve will last - and maybe in view of the lack of interaction expected, the thread should be closed?

[MadAmster]

Only local elections coming up...

Closing the thread SHOULD remove the opportunity to spout utter rubbish although the same crap appearing on a Derby County related post shouldn't be discounted.

Someone posts "Derby 3 points closer to safety". Response is "same as the number of mosques opened in England over the past 4 months". Sounds daft at first thought, but I wouldn't put it past him.

I'm just not willing to clash heads with someone who refuses to understand what he actually posted when it's quoted verbatim back at him. It's a complete and utetr waste of my time and energy and I am no longer willing to play that game.

[Geoff Parkstone]

So three of this small band of brothers have chosen not to engage in discussion with the only person with a consistently conflicting view. I'm impartial so its for others to judge how grown up that is, but I wonder if you've considered that such actions now allow TTR to have free reign to post whatever he wants unchallenged/un-responded too apart from by relative newcomers, the less-bothered and the in-it-for-the joshers. I do wonder how long your resolve will last - and maybe in view of the lack of interaction expected, the thread should be closed?

It's not unlike the three monkeys - see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. Failure to engage in my view does not give anyone the moral high ground. It's all just a bit childidh

[ramAnag]

It's not unlike the three monkeys - see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. Failure to engage in my view does not give anyone the moral high ground. It's all just a bit childidh

Hang on. Last week you had a little pop at me for engaging, i.e. you questioned my support for the wronged party…Sith.
Now I’ve taken that on board and followed MA’s example by deciding to ignore the nonsensical nastinesss posted by TTR, you’re having a go at me for NOT engaging! Make your mind up.

As for the three wise monkeys. Tricky and AF are, in my opinion, the two classic examples of that. We’ve all seen and heard what was written but two of the three wise monkeys are still going ‘no, no, no…I/he didn’t say that’. Well I’m sorry but he did and even you, one notes, haven’t ever challenged that.

Frankly there’s no point at all in debating with people who are incapable of recognising facts and truth and that appears to be where we’ve got to.

As for closing the thread. What’s the point? It’s a thread that has been running for a while. It’s largely kept the politics in one place and has attracted a huge amount of attention. We’re just coming up to another set of elections so it would seem a foolish and inappropriate time to close something which will, in all probability, just be started up again in a slightly different form.

As regards being ‘childish’ in failing to engage further. It seems strange for you of all people to say that and I have to say I’m reminded of a class full of children where the class fool gets caught out behaving stupidly while his best mate makes hopelessly inane excuses much to the amusement/bewilderment/exasperation of the rest.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Hang on. Last week you had a little pop at me for engaging, i.e. you questioned my support for the wronged party…Sith.
Now I’ve taken that on board and followed MA’s example by deciding to ignore the nonsensical nastinesss posted by TTR, you’re having a go at me for NOT engaging! Make your mind up.

As for the three wise monkeys. Tricky and AF are, in my opinion, the two classic examples of that. We’ve all seen and heard what was written but two of the three wise monkeys are still going ‘no, no, no…I/he didn’t say that’. Well I’m sorry but he diid and even you, one notes, haven’t challenged that.

Frankly there’s no point at all in debating with people who are incapable of recognising facts and truth and that appears to be where we’ve got to.

As for closing the thread. What’s the point? It’s a thread that has been running for a while. It’s largely kept the politics in one place and has attracted a huge amount of attention. We’re just coming up to another set of elections so it would seem a foolish and inappropriate time to close something which will, in all probability, start up again in a slightly different form.

As regards being ‘childish’ in failing to engage further. It seems strange for you of all people to say that and I have to say I’m reminded of a class full of children where the class fool gets caught out behaving stupidly while his best mate makes hopelessly inane excuses much to the amusement/bewilderment/exasperation of the majority.

Actually you weren't one of the monkeys - I must have missed you deciding to ignore tricky along with Swale MA and Sith.

Tricky's views do need challenging at a level, albeit I'm happy to give him room on stage to express them. To pretend they don't exist merely serves to give them more credibility (not just here but nationally). Sometimes I find that challenge to not be best achieved by personal insults and "it must be wrong it's right wing" comments. Neither is constructive.

As to my suggesting you drop the matter the other day, there is no inconsistency. That was suggesting that you stop stirring the pot re the personal spat between TTR and Sith. Please challenge and debate the issues of the day fully but when two people get embroiled in a personal spat, leave it to them to sort out rather than cheer from the sidelines

[SithHappens]

I've never said im going to ignore TTR

[Geoff Parkstone]

I've never said im going to ignore TTR

Oops sorry, you said "do usually ignore TTR rants, and probably should have done once again."

I took this to be a statement of intent 😉

So rA can be the third one after all

[SithHappens]

Oops sorry, you said "do usually ignore TTR rants, and probably should have done once again."

I took this to be a statement of intent 😉

So rA can be the third one after all

I mean ignore his personal insults etc which I've been on the end of multiple times. I'm happy to respond otherwise which I did earlier in another thread.

[Andy_Faber]

I've never said im going to ignore TTR

I wasn?t including you, in fact you?ve picked appropriate subjects to spar with TTR on and I wish I?d been able to convince you I was on your side in respect of the most recent spat. I agree with GP though, others here just disagree with TTR because it?s TTR

[ramAnag]

Actually you weren't one of the monkeys - I must have missed you deciding to ignore tricky along with Swale MA and Sith.

Tricky's views do need challenging at a level, albeit I'm happy to give him room on stage to express them. To pretend they don't exist merely serves to give them more credibility (not just here but nationally). Sometimes I find that challenge to not be best achieved by personal insults and "it must be wrong it's right wing" comments. Neither is constructive.

As to my suggesting you drop the matter the other day, there is no inconsistency. That was suggesting that you stop stirring the pot re the personal spat between TTR and Sith. Please challenge and debate the issues of the day fully but when two people get embroiled in a personal spat, leave it to them to sort out rather than cheer from the sidelines

Lol! For you, of all people to accuse me of ‘stirring the pot’ and cheering from the sidelines really is laughable.

I know you seem to be having trouble at the moment keeping up with who said what, but my point is that, not only was it entirely incorrect to accuse Sith of anti Semitism but it is a sign of the times on here and elsewhere.

It’s a worrying trend, especially when it appears to be backed by the moderator..say it often enough and loudly enough and it becomes fact. Sith wants to ‘trash Jews’, I am anti British, anti Christian and pro Muslim. Swale is a raving leftie etc. All bollux of course but it’s become a tactic of certain people, from Trump and Farage to one or two on this infinitely less significant little forum.

There is a risk that dishonest belittlement and disregard for the facts is becoming an accepted strategy and that, imo, isn’t acceptable so, if it’s okay with you - and even if it isn’t - I’ll continue to defend those who are wronged and choose to avoid responding further to those incapable of issuing apology or acknowledging the truth.

[swaledale]

Actually you weren't one of the monkeys - I must have missed you deciding to ignore tricky along with Swale MA and Sith.

Tricky's views do need challenging at a level, albeit I'm happy to give him room on stage to express them. To pretend they don't exist merely serves to give them more credibility (not just here but nationally). Sometimes I find that challenge to not be best achieved by personal insults and "it must be wrong it's right wing" comments. Neither is constructive.

As to my suggesting you drop the matter the other day, there is no inconsistency. That was suggesting that you stop stirring the pot re the personal spat between TTR and Sith. Please challenge and debate the issues of the day fully but when two people get embroiled in a personal spat, leave it to them to sort out rather than cheer from the sidelines

I would agree IN THE REAL WORLD, then those opinions and views need to be challenged or at the very least an alternative view put forward. (Although I read commentary today which pointed out that despite Trump's reverse ferrets, lies and false statements, the right wing media and commentator's in the US largely ignore the contradictions, lies etc. and still pretend he is doing well!!).

BUT on this forum, its pintless debating with the dim red one, you can completely destroy an argument he puts forward, or rather one he has copied from some dubious internet source and he'll still argue black is white! So long ago realised it was pointless, he lives in an alternative universe. Whilst I'm happy to engage and debate with you, AF or anybody else, based on I might disagree or dislike a point of view, but in the main I get a reasonable response which on occasion does make me change a POV, its absolutely pointless doing that with him.

I for one have a life and don't really need pointless debates with someone who is clearly not capable of rational debate or argument.

[swaledale]

I've never said im going to ignore TTR

My advice would be to do so, but as ever one is free to follow ones own path. I certainly never regret having him on ignore, indeed my only regret is choosing to view some of the *******s he posts or reading a post of his someone else has quoted and replied to. He brings no original thought or useful information to the Forum. But others can make their own choice.