Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

We shall see, but with no-one representing the right, I suspect the debate will merely become a number of left of centre luvvies just agreeing with one another. maybe someone will have to step up in Tricky's place. Sink the boats.....

How do you arrive at the conclusion that the rest of those on this Forum are centre left luvvies? I'd say that RA and myself are centre left, you verge from centrist to right of centre, Af is and I'm being kind centre right with dashes of further right on occasion, Sith seems centrist and MA centrist with the odd veer to the left. Others I'm not so sure of, but its hardly a left of centre consensus on here.

Our dim red friend can hardly be counted as a representing right wing views, because none of what he posts is original thought. Its simply repeated verbatim from a right wing media or social media source. I can get that from perusing the internet myself.

[Andy_Faber]

Anyone who thinks I?m (on balance) ?right? has spent too much time on transmit

[Andy_Faber]

We shall see, but with no-one representing the right, I suspect the debate will merely become a number of left of centre luvvies just agreeing with one another..

?which is what I think they want. Maybe ?careless Tories? can be reserved for leftie ?circle jerking? (now where have I heard that before?) and ?Election Year Or Fear? can be used for proper debate

[Geoff Parkstone]

?which is what I think they want. Maybe ?careless Tories? can be reserved for leftie ?circle jerking? (now where have I heard that before?) and ?Election Year Or Fear? can be used for proper debate

Please dont make me eat the biscuit brer Fox

[ramAnag]

We shall see, but with no-one representing the right, I suspect the debate will merely become a number of left of centre luvvies just agreeing with one another. maybe someone will have to step up in Tricky's place. Sink the boats.....

Honestly GP. I know (think/hope) you’re joking but ‘sink the boats’! Really?
We all know you like to stir and make mischief rather than offer genuine comments, but I have come across two or three imbeciles wearing a T shirt motif expressing that same sentiment and I’m sure you wouldn’t really want to be associated with such cruel, irresponsible and ignorant idiocy.

As regards the ‘left of centre luvvies’. Where has that come from? What does it even mean?
For what it’s worth I agree completely with Swale’s interpretation of people’s political persuasions on here and would add an additional take for mac (traditional and responsible Labour man with beliefs stemming from his own occupational experiences) and RS (much more like yourself…centre right but always civil and reasonably so).
That’s my take anyway, although I may be wrong and apologies in advance if I am.

Beyond that, what we’ve got is one poster genuinely offended by TTR’s unsubstantiated suggestions and three who have, over time, concluded that it is a waste of their time to continue to try and argue against points which they have independently concluded to be generally dumb and dishonest.

What we don’t need, imo, is you picking up the devil’s advocate cudgel just for the sake of being contentious.

[Geoff Parkstone]

"What we don’t need, imo, is you picking up the devil’s advocate cudgel just for the sake of being contentious."

No, that would break up the happy karass* of like minded persons who reject all opinion that isnt the same as their own and ignore it. Still worse who seek to sideline it by belittling it. TTR's style of putting forward his views isnt the best but those who seek to ignore it do so at their own peril. Need I point out the voting pattern / polls showing the proponderance of people sharing TTR views.

It was the same in Nazi Germany where those in the middle or left chose to ignore the clear threat from the right. Most "good thinking Germans" Ignoring it or tolerating it as an easy way out - now remind me, how did that work out?

*see Cats Cradle, as you likely are of the right age to know

[Geoff Parkstone]

"Beyond that, what we?ve got is one poster genuinely offended by TTR?s unsubstantiated suggestions"

To be fair, Sith wasn't too happy about it either, so make that two posters....

[MadAmster]

GP, what is the point of conversing with someone who, even when confronted, verbatim, with what he posted, continues to say he didn't?

It's akin to knocking your head against a brick wall. Great when it stops.

[ramAnag]

"What we don?t need, imo, is you picking up the devil?s advocate cudgel just for the sake of being contentious."

No, that would break up the happy karass* of like minded persons who reject all opinion that isnt the same as their own and ignore it. Still worse who seek to sideline it by belittling it. TTR's style of putting forward his views isnt the best but those who seek to ignore it do so at their own peril. Need I point out the voting pattern / polls showing the proponderance of people sharing TTR views.

It was the same in Nazi Germany where those in the middle or left chose to ignore the clear threat from the right. Most "good thinking Germans" Ignoring it or tolerating it as an easy way out - now remind me, how did that work out?

*see Cats Cradle, as you likely are of the right age to know

Not knowledgeable enough about Kurt Vonnegut and not wishing to over complicate matters. My point was that there’s a sufficient range of political opinion on here without you having to take an exaggerated stance to compensate for the possible lack of future response to TTR.

No one is denying that the whole question of immigration is complex or shouldn’t be spoken of. Neither is anyone saying TTR isn’t entitled to his opinion. What three people appear to have concluded is, I think, that when those ‘opinions’ appear to be little more than regurgitated far right bollux based on falsehoods and untrue accusations it really is more trouble than it’s worth to reply.

Personally I do feel as if I can’t do right for doing wrong in your eyes. If I respond I’m ‘stirring and shouting from the sidelines’.
If I avoid confrontation, I’m ‘taking the easy way out’.

P.S. Or, concise and shortened version, what MA said above at 7.16.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I only regard your comments as "stirring and shouting...." when it is calling for the head of someone who has slighted a fellow poster.

Otherwise, and I will only say this once and then possibly deny it later, your opinion on political threads is often interesting and thought provoking - especially when your original thought. That's not to say I will necessarily agree with it but it's intriguing to see other perspectives. Which makes it a shame that some, you included, have chosen not to challenge TTR on the basis of rAtional thinking as opposed to calling him thick and blaming the right wing press for everything.

[MadAmster]

I only regard your comments as "stirring and shouting...." when it is calling for the head of someone who has slighted a fellow poster.

Otherwise, and I will only say this once and then possibly deny it later, your opinion on political threads is often interesting and thought provoking - especially when your original thought. That's not to say I will necessarily agree with it but it's intriguing to see other perspectives. Which makes it a shame that some, you included, have chosen not to challenge TTR on the basis of rAtional thinking as opposed to calling him thick and blaming the right wing press for everything.

Two posts before the one to which I am replying. What IS the point?

Ever thought I might be choosing my own sanity above trying to point out the meaning of what someone actually posted rather than what that person actually thinks they mean?

[Andy_Faber]

So, to fact check this issue about TTR?s forum content: I?ve gone back through TTR?s most recent comments and, unfiltered, they have been:

A YouTube video about leftist ?rent a crowds? - the vid doesn?t make the point very well but there is a point to be made

Timing of Labour announcement re grooming enquiries - he has a point

Claim that more people were sanctioned for protesting grooming than carrying out grooming - not sure where the numbers came from so that one needed challenging. No-one bothered

Opinion that Labour?s tactics are because they are scared of losing the Muslim vote - widely discussed even in mainstream media now, worthy of discussion in terms of truth and, if true, implications

Comparison in general of labour parliamentary tactics with similar Tory tactics - not sure it is a like for like comparison but worthy of discussion

Opinion that there?s no difference between the two major parties - worthy of discussion but an opinion already shared by a number of forum members

None of the above deserves any forum member to be ostracised, or for that matter to be referred to repeatedly as ?dim?. To do so actually suggests to me an inability in such people to form a sensible response

[ramAnag]

I only regard your comments as "stirring and shouting...." when it is calling for the head of someone who has slighted a fellow poster.

Otherwise, and I will only say this once and then possibly deny it later, your opinion on political threads is often interesting and thought provoking - especially when your original thought. That's not to say I will necessarily agree with it but it's intriguing to see other perspectives. Which makes it a shame that some, you included, have chosen not to challenge TTR on the basis of rAtional thinking as opposed to calling him thick and blaming the right wing press for everything.

Don’t we all express support for others on here from time to time? That’s surely how forums work.
I haven’t ‘called for the head of anyone’. What I’ve called for, unsuccessfully, is for TTR to apologise and our moderator to act if he won’t. Seeing as both remain in blinkered denial about any wrong having been done that, unfortunately, seems unlikely.

Thanks for the compliment. As it happens I feel exactly the same about you, when you’re making a rational point that you believe in rather than just slightly rude mischief making. Rational, intelligent debate, including disagreement, is how change happens.

I do blame the right wing press for a lot, that’s fair. I’m not one for calling Tricky ‘thick’, not my style although I do regularly question his honesty/integrity and challenge the reliability of his sources/claims.

Lost amongst all this is the possible disappearance of Sith. Probably the only new poster of the last three or four years I found/find his posts invariably worthwhile and never offensive. A good ‘signing’ imo. IF he’s gone at the expense of our moderator not acting to defend him I find that both puzzling and sad.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Two posts before the one to which I am replying. What IS the point?

Ever thought I might be choosing my own sanity above trying to point out the meaning of what someone actually posted rather than what that person actually thinks they mean?

I'm confused - this response was to the rA post immediately above it and quoted from there. What has it got to do with you? Ever thought that?

[MadAmster]

I'm confused - this response was to the rA post immediately above it and quoted from there. What has it got to do with you? Ever thought that?

No, you're stirring the pot... again.

Post #3113 I asked you a question. You haven't answered. You then posted in post #3115

Which makes it a shame that some, you included, have chosen not to challenge TTR on the basis of rAtional thinking

In reply to that, I repeated my what IS the point question. Rather than replying to that, you come back with

What has it got to do with you?

I am part of the some. Ever thought of that? This, IMO, is yet another example of GP mischief making and it's something that makes me miss Roger Ramjet.

Looking for possible reasons for your apparent misunderstanding I pondered the following:

Is he really that thick? I concluded that you are reasonably intelligent

Did he misread and/or miss the link between the posts? Again, you're intelligent enough not to miss the connection between posts, especially when they follow one another so closely.

Is he stirring the pot? I believe you are.

Keep it up GP and before you know it you can have private conversations with TTR because your current attitude stinks, IMO.