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[Trickytreesreds]

For the purposes of clarification only.

It wasn’t a ‘Tory connection’, could have been any councillor’s wife but as such she is, one imagines, a woman of some ‘standing within the community’ and she actually advocated people indulging in arson with the aim of killing people in a burning building.

You have no more idea than I do as to why she deleted it so quickly. Might just as well have been because someone with a bit more sense warned her of the possible consequences of inciting the incidents that were to take place.

Either way it was a despicable thing to do, I have no sympathy and, as you wish to make it personal, I hope your family never find themselves alone and unwanted in a foreign country at the mercy of those bullies you consistently seek to defend.

What a weak evasion.

So , have you suddenly gone right wing and want a rigid and stern justice system, that comes down hard on the convicted?
Or is it relevant only to those that clash with your own moral compass?
You seem comfortable, that a woman, who pleaded guilty/ apologised/ her first offence / said a nasty clump of words on social media gets 2.5 years for it? Her parole hearing was quashed as well, whilst far worse criminals are being released early under Starmers, clear out the prisons policy.
Yet two rapists I example, get let off by weak judges and don't get a mention from you in comparison?
Perhaps your warped knowledge of fair justice, can explain to me, why this man isn't doing 2.5 years? Is it possible, that being a Labour mouth piece and an ethnic, gets you special exemption? His trial still hasn't been run, yet Lucys was fast tracked all the way to sing sing

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2024-08-08/labour-councillor-calls-for-far-right-protesters-throats-to-be-cut-at-rally

I suspect this has everything to do with your political leanings, more than justice.

[Trickytreesreds]

On the same note of justice. A Pandoras box is being opened, with the arrest and conviction of the Qur'an burner.
It seems blasphemy laws are now coming into place at this decision, as is the right to freedom of choice and right to offend.
If that was his Qur'an, then he committed no crime under the law, it was his property to burn. Yet someone's hurt feelings trumped that right.

But if we are going down this road, where does the hurt feelings and offense end? Or is it selective on the offended?
What about this bunch and their actions? I see offence here as well. But was it illegal? No action was taken either?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uig1nYdZnrA&ab_channel=APArchive

This country was/is based on free speech, within the law. But seems those fundamentals are now being changed / challenged.

[ramAnag]

What a weak evasion.

So , have you suddenly gone right wing and want a rigid and stern justice system, that comes down hard on the convicted?
Or is it relevant only to those that clash with your own moral compass?
You seem comfortable, that a woman, who pleaded guilty/ apologised/ her first offence / said a nasty clump of words on social media gets 2.5 years for it? Her parole hearing was quashed as well, whilst far worse criminals are being released early under Starmers, clear out the prisons policy.
Yet two rapists I example, get let off by weak judges and don't get a mention from you in comparison?
Perhaps your warped knowledge of fair justice, can explain to me, why this man isn't doing 2.5 years? Is it possible, that being a Labour mouth piece and an ethnic, gets you special exemption? His trial still hasn't been run, yet Lucys was fast tracked all the way to sing sing

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2024-08-08/labour-councillor-calls-for-far-right-protesters-throats-to-be-cut-at-rally

I suspect this has everything to do with your political leanings, more than justice.

A ‘weak evasion’. In what way?

‘Clash with my moral compass’? Well, yes - call it unusual - but my moral compass does tell me that it’s very wrong for anyone - let alone a local councillor’s wife - to go online and advocate arson and murder.

The comparison with other cases, not something I know about or am prepared to enter into discussion with you over.

You ‘suspect this has everything to do with your political leanings, more than justice’? Suggest you go and take a long hard look in the mirror.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Interesting use of words there Sith - I'd say her words were pretty incendiary given the courses of action she was proposing! that said there has to be proportionality in crime and punishment and I don't think the outcome achieves that but rather smacks of making an example.

[SithHappens]

It's interesting though that a certain Mr farage refers to two tier justice, yet demanded his milkshake attacker receive a custodial sentence yet thinks someone calling for the murder of innocent people should walk scot free.

Perhaps on the face of it (pun intended) the milkshake attacker couldn't have complained had she been in receipt of a short custodial sentence, corbyns egger got 28 days after all.

I still think the X post led to an excessive punishment but by no means should that be mistaken for sympathy.

[Trickytreesreds]

A ‘weak evasion’. In what way?

‘Clash with my moral compass’? Well, yes - call it unusual - but my moral compass does tell me that it’s very wrong for anyone - let alone a local councillor’s wife - to go online and advocate arson and murder.

The comparison with other cases, not something I know about or am prepared to enter into discussion with you over.

You ‘suspect this has everything to do with your political leanings, more than justice’? Suggest you go and take a long hard look in the mirror.

lol, classic. Had I, been the one calling for strict and aggressive policing and justice, you'd have been calling me a hard right winger and Nazi. It seems your call for justice on people calling for action of violence online, is rather one sided chap.
Your mask slipped when you introduced the Tory councillors wife bit.

Lets just put some context on your stance. Lucy posted a bonkers tweet. She retracted it and apologised. She didn't actually hurt anyone. Even when the police pulled her, she pleaded guilty. Her first offence in her life. YET GOT 31 MONTHS FOR IT.

Now here is a collection of people who ACTUALLY DID CAUSE HARM AND DEATH including arson that you keep mentioning. Try comparing their sentences, or lack of to what Connolly received.

Then have a think about it and tell me, she wasn't nailed to a cross, to make a political point to suit Kier Starmer calling for fast and swift action.
Its pretty damned sick in essence, especially as in this video, where Starmer is telling everyone about free speech, yet then doubles down on punishing anyone outside it.

https://fb.watch/z-hUjuCH7m/

[Trickytreesreds]

It's interesting though that a certain Mr farage refers to two tier justice, yet demanded his milkshake attacker receive a custodial sentence yet thinks someone calling for the murder of innocent people should walk scot free.

Perhaps on the face of it (pun intended) the milkshake attacker couldn't have complained had she been in receipt of a short custodial sentence, corbyns egger got 28 days after all.

I still think the X post led to an excessive punishment but by no means should that be mistaken for sympathy.

The milkshake attacker represented much more Sith. IT WAS AN ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY and the fact a politician should be perceived fair game for an assault when campaigning. It may have been a milkshake, but could easily have been battery acid. What about the man who hurled concrete at him, on the open top bus? No action taken. Was that acceptable? Yes the milk shake attacker should have got jail time, even if it was a couple of weeks.
I remember the howls over Jo Cox and the right wing need to be shut down. Yet when Daved Amess was murdered the raw outrage was toned down a lot. His killer was Ali Harbi Ali, a British Islamic State sympathiser and probably made the anti right wing narrative look a bit dodgy.

The point is, if you are going to have a justice system, then that system is applied fairly across the board. Starmer is partly to blame for the treatment of Lucy Connolly. His mouthing and demands for fast track action and extreme punishment in answer to Southport "far right" rioters set this in motion. It has since turned out, it was anything but far right, but the spineless tosser hasn't even apologised for
his mislabelling and error. In the mean time, people committing worse crimes get less punishment and leniency. Its a disgrace.

[Trickytreesreds]

Just to put more of an edge on this. I mentioned Ricky Jones earlier.

This is a man, who at a public rally on camera said that "“They are disgusting Nazi fascists and we need to cut all their throats and get rid of them all.”

He was rightly arrested. Yet is still walking free and his trial has been delayed again until August. Thats 10 months of him walking the streets free, whilst Connolly was fast tracked like a bullet train into court.

BTW, he has pleaded NOT GUILTY? So technically, should he be convicted, his sentence should be double what LC got. We shall see on that one, but I won't hold my breath

[ramAnag]

Just to put more of an edge on this. I mentioned Ricky Jones earlier.

This is a man, who at a public rally on camera said that "?“They are disgusting Nazi fascists and we need to cut all their throats and get rid of them all.?”

He was rightly arrested. Yet is still walking free and his trial has been delayed again until August. Thats 10 months of him walking the streets free, whilst Connolly was fast tracked like a bullet train into court.

BTW, he has pleaded NOT GUILTY? So technically, should he be convicted, his sentence should be double what LC got. We shall see on that one, but I won't hold my breath

That’ll be Ricky Jones the former Labour councillor who has already been suspended by the Labour Party. The difference between him and Lucy Connolly is that she pleaded guilty and he has pleaded not guilty - on what grounds I don’t know - and as such we have to await the outcome of his trial. That’s the law.
Once that trial has taken place it’ll be possible to comment and it’s difficult to see how, if found guilty, a similar sentence doesn’t await but we’ll have to wait and see.
In the meantime, none of what Ricky Jones allegedly said has any relevance to Lucy Connolly encouraging far right thugs to set fire to a hotel housing asylum seekers does it?

[Trickytreesreds]

That’ll be Ricky Jones the former Labour councillor who has already been suspended by the Labour Party. The difference between him and Lucy Connolly is that she pleaded guilty and he has pleaded not guilty - on what grounds I don’t know - and as such we have to await the outcome of his trial. That’s the law.
Once that trial has taken place it’ll be possible to comment and it’s difficult to see how, if found guilty, a similar sentence doesn’t await but we’ll have to wait and see.
In the meantime, none of what Ricky Jones allegedly said has any relevance to Lucy Connolly encouraging far right thugs to set fire to a hotel housing asylum seekers does it?

Of course it does

1. why was she fast tracked into court and sentenced by a judge, faster than you can say Mel Morris conned us.
No Jury in the land would have accepted a sentence on the grounds she was sent down

2. Ricky Jones, did the same thing publicly, of calling for throats to be slit inciting murder. Yet here we are, nearly a year later still waiting for him to answer for it.

3. Just to pull you up again on your bias, there was no far right thugs genius, as proven by the inquiry. Just very angry locals. Now apologise for that one sided outburst, showing your bias again.

Point 3 is why we are at the current situation. KS blabbed that very thing, screamed for round up and immediate prosecutions,
Again something you don't want to condemn yet feel less infuriated at similar being done by the left of the country.

What about the immigrant black kid in the video. Him and his mates subjected a pensioner, to weeks of mental torment and harassment, before finally burning down his house causing his death.
HE GOT LESS JAIL TIME THAN HER, AND I AM CONFIDENT HE WONT GET SO EASILY REJECTED AT HIS REVIEW.#

You really are something else RA

[Geoff Parkstone]

rA "none of what Ricky Jones allegedly said has any relevance to Lucy Connolly".

Ah the usual rAnarrow world view. If it's not very specifically on exact topic then it's irrelevant.

I'd say the two issues are very similar in that both cases allege incitement to violence against particular groups of people, escalating to murder. Only difference is in the targets, and of course one has yet to come to court.

I fear your political leanings cloud your judgement rA to the extent that you appear to be defensive of the party inciting violence against the far right but aggressive towards one inciting violence against the asylum seekers.

Both are unacceptable yet you seem to display double standards. Why is this? You seem a fair minded person ordinarily but your moral compass seems to only point East (right)

[ramAnag]

rA "none of what Ricky Jones allegedly said has any relevance to Lucy Connolly".

Ah the usual rAnarrow world view. If it's not very specifically on exact topic then it's irrelevant.

I'd say the two issues are very similar in that both cases allege incitement to violence against particular groups of people, escalating to murder. Only difference is in the targets, and of course one has yet to come to court.

I fear your political leanings cloud your judgement rA to the extent that you appear to be defensive of the party inciting violence against the far right but aggressive towards one inciting violence against the asylum seekers.

Both are unacceptable yet you seem to display double standards. Why is this? You seem a fair minded person ordinarily but your moral compass seems to only point East (right)

If you’re going to quote me then quote me in full, GP.

I wrote, ‘None of what Ricky Jones allegedly said has any relevance to Lucy Connelly ENCOURAGING FAR RIGHT THUGS TO SET FIRE TO A HOTEL HOUSING ASYLUM SEEKERS.’…and it doesn't.

What they both said obviously has time and place in common and I’m not attempting to defend what the Labour Councillor suggested however it really doesn’t in any way diminish Lucy Connelly’s guilt regarding the behaviour she actively encouraged.

Both were, as you say, unacceptable and both have been handled differently because of their respective different pleas however the suggestions of an idiotic left winger are, imo, not relevant to why this woman is in prison for inciting arson and the murder of a specific group of people.

[Andy_Faber]

If you’re going to quote me then quote me in full, GP.

I wrote, ‘None of what Ricky Jones allegedly said has any relevance to Lucy Connelly ENCOURAGING FAR RIGHT THUGS TO SET FIRE TO A HOTEL HOUSING ASYLUM SEEKERS.’…and it doesn't.

What they both said obviously has time and place in common and I’m not attempting to defend what the Labour Councillor suggested however it really doesn’t in any way diminish Lucy Connelly’s guilt regarding the behaviour she actively encouraged.

Both were, as you say, unacceptable and both have been handled differently because of their respective different pleas however the suggestions of an idiotic left winger are, imo, not relevant to why this woman is in prison for inciting arson and the murder of a specific group of people.

You accidentally fall into (maybe conscious, maybe unconscious) bias again there though, declining to detail the activities of the left winger yes doing so (twice) for Connolly. That all comes over as very Keir Starmer

[ramAnag]

You accidentally fall into (maybe conscious, maybe unconscious) bias again there though, declining to detail the activities of the left winger yes doing so (twice) for Connolly. That all comes over as very Keir Starmer

Well I’ve described both as ‘unacceptable’ and I have more details of what Connolly said than Jones simply because the former has already gone to court and the latter hasn’t (as a result of their different pleas). I’ve also already said it’s difficult to see how, from what we currently know, Jones won’t get a similar sentence, so not sure how you can accuse me of bias.

[Geoff Parkstone]

It's easy to accuse you of bias because it's as plain as the nose on your face