Election Year or Fear!

[SithHappens]

I know my anecdotes ‘trigger’ some on here, but (until earlier in the month when I closed the business) I had a fairly substantial customer base in Es*** generally and Clacton well represented amongst those. Every single one that has expressed a view is an NF fan and of those, any who’ve discussed his whereabouts couldn’t care less about lack of attendance. They just love the TV coverage he gets! I’m not suggesting my sample is any more representative than yours but is ‘direct’ ie not filtered through a media bias

is your business the Reform fan club of Es***?:🤪

[Andy_Faber]

I don?t think it?s your anecdotes that trigger some on here, AF, it?s their occasional transparent lack of accuracy imo.

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Oh it is, I recall you and Swale even getting upset over a children?s? saying once, that just ran and ran (or flew and flew I guess)

[ramAnag]

Oh it is, I recall you and Swale even getting upset over a children?s? saying once, that just ran and ran (or flew and flew I guess)

Sorry. I’ve honestly no idea what you’re referring to. All I’m suggesting is, anecdotes have their place, we all use them and people don’t feel ‘triggered’ by yours - or anyone else’s - unless they’re clearly embellished or exaggerated.

[swaledale]

Oh it is, I recall you and Swale even getting upset over a children?s? saying once, that just ran and ran (or flew and flew I guess)

Upset? Triggered? Nah I'm not that bothered by what you post, sure I will (if I can be arsed) call out your posts where I think they are xenophobic, racist, inaccurate or as you often do, base your argument on anecdotal evidence which clearly doesn't stand up to in depth scrutiny, or ask you to explain why you think certain ways (generally not getting an answer).

But its not because I'm upset, more a pushback in the hope you might reconsider certain views. I realised a long time ago that no amount of actual evidence will actually change people's views, that Farage and Trump supporters don't see the contradictions in what these two grifters say and what they do, whilst enriching themselves shows that.

You have certain view point and mind set, expressed in more subtle ways than TTR does, but essentially similar. Its a shame really, but it doesn't bother me and I don't waste my time worrying about it.

[Andy_Faber]

is your business the Reform fan club of Es***?:🤪

No, in broad terms it was 'entertainment'. Lots of down time and occasionally lots of booze (by others) over the 16 years it existed brought out lots of opinions, not just from Es*** Man, its been a UK-wide thing. Unlike here, I don't share my political/worldview opinions or observations, just listen, and its been an interesting ride soaking up the deeply held views of people who are/were 'not like me' but have as much right to an opinion (and vote) as any. I closed the enterprise because I valued the time released by doing it more than the income it generated, not sure if I'll miss the folk I met along the way, in most cases probably not!

[swaledale]

All in the nuance, do people have a "right" to an opinion which involves expressing hatred, violence, xenophobia, racism, ***ism, bigoted and generally anti social? I'd think any right minded person might think that such deeply held views are not acceptable in any civilised society, but obviously in todays climate it seems one must "respect" the hate mongers whatever their political leanings.

[Geoff Parkstone]

One man's meat is another's poison

[ramAnag]

One man's meat is another's poison

Which is fine as far as footballers, bands, films or even politicians are concerned, but doesn’t extend to morality, imo.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Yes but that depends on your definition of morality which won't necessarily accord with others' definitions. For example an EFL supporter may consider it immoral to allow what in their opinion might be excessive immigration.... You can't judge others by your standards - you're not a god that makes the rules

[ramAnag]

Yes but that depends on your definition of morality which won't necessarily accord with others' definitions. For example an EFL supporter may consider it immoral to allow what in their opinion might be excessive immigration.... You can't judge others by your standards - you're not a god that makes the rules

Not by my standards, no…and I’m not trying to, but I think you’ve touched on a topical issue.

People will argue about the rights, wrongs and practicality of immigration. I have my views, you and those further to the right will differ, hence ‘one man’s meat is another man’s poison’, but once someone turns their views into, for instance, actions that justify arson and the attempted murder of immigrants/asylum seekers then they have crossed the line and are surely behaving/advocating behaviour which is equally toxic and ‘poisonous’ to us both.

[MadAmster]

A rather fishy idea... one man's meat being another man's poisson.

Whatever your views on violence, I'd hope that all of us on here would, faced with seeing a bloke raping a 10 year old, would step in and, at the very least stop the attack, preferably hold the assailant until the police arrived and, if that took the odd punch, headbutt or kick being given to achieve the necessary restraint of the attacker, would do whatever it takes.

Which of you, if anybody, have I overestimated?

[SithHappens]

I'd like to think we would yes, how we would actually react is hard to predict, I think the circumstances and locality to other people would affect how you act.

It depends who else is around to alert authorities, if no one is then I'd suspect it would be more scaring him off and calling them to come take care of the 10 year old.

It's not an easy situation to predict.

[Andy_Faber]

A rather fishy idea... one man's meat being another man's poisson.

Whatever your views on violence, I'd hope that all of us on here would, faced with seeing a bloke raping a 10 year old, would step in and, at the very least stop the attack, preferably hold the assailant until the police arrived and, if that took the odd punch, headbutt or kick being given to achieve the necessary restraint of the attacker, would do whatever it takes.

Which of you, if anybody, have I overestimated?

Most of us I?d suggest, and certainly me. Anything beyond ?preferably? is irrelevant to the main issue, protecting the ten year old

[SithHappens]

In this day and age what percentage, not on here but general population, first reaction would be whip out the mobile phone?

[Geoff Parkstone]

In this day and age what percentage, not on here but general population, first reaction would be whip out the mobile phone?

...and that to film it to post on social media, not to call police