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[ramAnag]

I'd have to disagree, yes where authoritarian governments are in charge, its very much about an Ideology, but then the same could well be said about right wing Christians such as thos ein the US and Israel.

Islam is very much a religion, it has different types and is actually more about peace than much of Christianity is. Of course its easy to forget the times when Christianity or at least a version of it was the dominant ideology that was forced on many populations of the world historically, so perhaps no surprise that there is something of a roll back, no true Muslim thinks Allah requires the killing og non believers.

Your quoting selectively about those who commit crimes, or whatever half truths are peddled by the UK media, whilst perhaps overlooking the fact that the majority of crime and especially *** crime is committed by ethnic whites. Those are the people who perhaps need educating and advising on such matters. After all 40% of those involved in riots and demonstrations supposedly to save white women and children had convictions, cautions or had contact with the police for offences involving the ***ual abuse of women and children!

The media generally report matters inaccurately, feeding ignorance and prejudice, which helps nobody.

I'm surprised that you have made such a post, it reads like a verbatim right wing white supremacist scroll, shameful IMO.

I have to agree with the above which I think has been very well put. Very surprised at the tone of your post MA. It’s almost like you’ve been hacked. I of course don’t agree with what we might call militant Islam, but then I don’t agree with any extremist religious behaviours. Disappointed and surprised you haven’t differentiated, but it’s almost pointless entering into serious debate at the moment given the current state of the site and the likelihood of it being impossible to post again for the rest of the evening.

P.S. P.O.I. There are said to be at least 600 Christian churches in Iran.

[MadAmster]

Islam was the subject matter. Agreed, whites also commit those crimes we all abhor. I saw that as outside the scope of the ongoing discussion, hence I didn't mention it. This is, after all, an online forum and I am not going to write 2000 word essays to cover every angle etc. simply to avoid somebody having a pop because I didn't mention F or G. If we're talking A, I'll comment on A. B on B etc.

[ramAnag]

It's not really religion, it's culture as much as anything. Just spend a little time in, say, London and see what it's like living in a third world country where white faces are in a minority, there are non Moslem no go areas, Moslem schools, Sharia law environment etc. This is our national capital.

Then go back to your predominantly white middle class ruralish middle England and contemplate the answer.

Then consider relative breeding rates and contemplate the future. This is why the white (predominantly) lower income / working classes are rapidly feeling sidelined in their own country.

Walk a mile in their shoes and consider. If you still retain your views, fine, you've tried to see it from a non privileged perspective - and you've got a new pair of shoes.

I've done it. And I thank **** I don't have to live in that environment

Haven’t set foot in London for five and a half years so can’t really comment. I’m usually grateful that I don’t have to live in any urban environment be it Manchester, Oxford, Sheffield, Nottingham or New York, all of which I’ve visited more recently and regularly than London, but that has nothing at all to do with Muslims.

All the aforementioned cities have, I think, become more cosmopolitan, but not in a bad way and I’ve accepted before that I probably wouldn’t be happy to have become a minority in the street I was once brought up in, but I’m not sure who’d be to blame for that. Anyway, you’ve apparently gone and the site is doing a good impression of being permanently broken so I’ll leave it there.

[Andy_Faber]

I appreciate it's only an observation, but I really don't understand it. As you know I have little time for any organised religion and I accept that there are more Muslims in the country with more high profile places of worship than there were 15, 20, 50 years ago but why do people find it a 'problem''

Because 'people' see a) the accelerating growth of muslims as a percentage of the population (immigration,higher birth/lower death rate) b) that the promised nirvana of multiculturalism has not only failed but never intended to be even tried, leading to things such as the no go zones referred to by MA and c) a feeling that 'the authorities' (govt, police, public bodies, mainstream broadcasters) are 'on their side'. 'People' constantly cite the grooming gang scandals as examples of c)

The worrying thing (for you as a liberal/idealist for example) is that the genie is back out of the bottle, those who've kept their (justified or not) frustrations/ prejudices to themselves are now feeling emboldened to voice them out loud - see Sith's earlier comment

[ramAnag]

Because 'people' see a) the accelerating growth of muslims as a percentage of the population (immigration,higher birth/lower death rate) b) that the promised nirvana of multiculturalism has not only failed but never intended to be even tried, leading to things such as the no go zones referred to by MA and c) a feeling that 'the authorities' (govt, police, public bodies, mainstream broadcasters) are 'on their side'. 'People' constantly cite the grooming gang scandals as examples of c)

The worrying thing (for you as a liberal/idealist for example) is that the genie is back out of the bottle, those who've kept their (justified or not) frustrations/ prejudices to themselves are now feeling emboldened to voice them out loud - see Sith's earlier comment

Well that’s the first time I’ve seen lower death rate cited as a concern and I’m unsure what you mean by Sith’s earlier comment.

I’m sure Farage has empowered some with his rabble rousing, it is after all the source of his wealth and infamy, however I’ve never noticed the likes of you, Tricky and GP being particularly reticent on here as regards your views on migrants and Muslims and I honestly don’t think it’s about sides. It’s about fairness. You were quick to raise the case of the poor girl who’d been bullied because of her acne and rightly so, but to me most of the comments on here and elsewhere driven by racism and intolerance are just another form of bullying.

[Andy_Faber]

Well that’s the first time I’ve seen lower death rate cited as a concern and I’m unsure what you mean by Sith’s earlier comment.

I’m sure Farage has empowered some with his rabble rousing, it is after all the source of his wealth and infamy, however I’ve never noticed the likes of you, Tricky and GP being particularly reticent on here as regards your views on migrants and Muslims and I honestly don’t think it’s about sides. It’s about fairness. You were quick to raise the case of the poor girl who’d been bullied because of her acne and rightly so, but to me most of the comments on here and elsewhere driven by racism and intolerance are just another form of bullying.

You missed out MA. His post yesterday expressed similar concerns to many expressed here and elsewhere in the past, are you Suggesting MA is a racist? If not, why suggest others with considered views are?

[ramAnag]

You missed out MA. His post yesterday expressed similar concerns to many expressed here and elsewhere in the past, are you Suggesting MA is a racist? If not, why suggest others with considered views are?

Hold on. Who’s called who a racist? MA expressed concerns which personally I was surprised by and don’t agree with but he’s no racist. Neither have I suggested that you are, although your concerns about there being too many Asian/black presenters are very dubious imo. Tricky, I suspect, has a number of more extreme and racist tendencies and I think GP’s comments about sinking boats were unacceptable, indeed someone (MA I think) suggested you should remove them, but I repeat, I have called no one a racist.

I’ve simply suggested that, contrary to the myth about the removal of free speech, you three have consistently felt free to put forward opinions which you claim are somehow being censored by the various authorities. As it happens I think it is right that you should be able to, although I think Lucy Connolly’s incitement to arson and murder and GP’s comments about sinking boats cross the boundaries of decency and acceptability.

[Trickytreesreds]

Well that?s the first time I?ve seen lower death rate cited as a concern and I?m unsure what you mean by Sith?s earlier comment.

I?m sure Farage has empowered some with his rabble rousing, it is after all the source of his wealth and infamy, however I?ve never noticed the likes of you, Tricky and GP being particularly reticent on here as regards your views on migrants and Muslims and I honestly don?t think it?s about sides. It?s about fairness. You were quick to raise the case of the poor girl who?d been bullied because of her acne and rightly so, but to me most of the comments on here and elsewhere driven by racism and intolerance are just another form of bullying.

Intolerance? Interesting, when immigration has been pushing nearly 1000000 net a year and illegal immigration going through the roof? How tolerant do you expect folks to be?

I suggest you study the crime figures, the cost in benefits, the impacts on services, the impacts on housing in such a short space of time then ask yourself why folks have become ?intolerant ?.

I?ve told you before, you live in a bubble in the stix and good on yers.
But urban areas, especially the poorer areas have had enough

Politicians did this. Not Brexit or any of that bollox.

It Started under Blair, with the lowering of standards, integration of laws and a fundamental shift in political policy satisfying the world order.

Multiculturalism has failed and is a complete sham. The UK has ghettos and closed areas of communities not interested in anything but their own cultures. Muslims are the worst and bring their backward ways here. From polygamy to inter family marriage.

But Islam is an ideology that they want to live by. From women control, to observing their own religious versions of law. It?s dodgy ground.

[Trickytreesreds]

West Yorkshire Police. *** crimes figures https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/...n-uk-nationals

[Trickytreesreds]

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/...n-uk-nationals FOI date
02/2025
FOI reference
FOI 2355119-25
We received a request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA):

Please could you provide me with a breakdown of the nationalities of foreign nationals arrested for alleged ***ual offences since 1 January 2024.

Our Response:

Please see the table below showing Charges for rape and ***ual assault, for all non-UK nationals, 01/01/2024 to 31/12/2024.

Nationality

Arrests

AFGHANISTAN
15

ALBANIA
2

ALBANIA; GREECE
1

AUSTRALIA
1

AZERBAIJAN
1

BAHAMAS
1

BANGLADESH
15

BULGARIA
3

C?TE D'IVOIRE
2

CAMEROON
1

CANADA; INDIA
1

CHAD
1

CHINA
10

COLOMBIA
1

CONGO
2

CONGO, THE D.R. OF
3

CROATIA
1

CZECH REPUBLIC
13

DENMARK
3

EGYPT
5

ERITREA
11

ETHIOPIA
6

GAMBIA
6

GERMANY
2

GERMANY; PAKISTAN
1

GHANA
6

GHANA; ITALY
1

GREECE
2

GUINEA
5

GUINEA-BISSAU; PORTUGAL
1

HUNGARY
4

INDIA
34

IRAN, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF
22

IRAQ
25

IRELAND
8

ITALY
2

JAMAICA
6

JORDAN
1

KUWAIT
3

LATVIA
6

LIBYA, STATE OF
1

LITHUANIA
6

MALAWI
1

MAURITANIA
1

MOROCCO
2

NAMIBIA
2

NETHERLANDS
3

NIGERIA
34

PAKISTAN
141

PAPUA NEW GUINEA
1

PHILIPPINES
2

POLAND
36

PORTUGAL
5

PORTUGAL; SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE
1

ROMANIA
20

SAUDI ARABIA
2

SENEGAL; OTHER
1

SLOVAKIA
31

SLOVENIA
1

SOUTH AFRICA
2

SOUTH SUDAN
2

SRI LANKA
1

SUDAN
13

SYRIAN ARAB REPUBLIC
5

TONGA
1

TUNISIA
2

TURKEY
3

UGANDA
2

UKRAINE
1

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
1

VIETNAM
2

ZAMBIA
1

ZIMBABWE
14

Non-UK total
575

All nationalities total
2721

[ramAnag]

Fair enough Tricky, be interesting to compare those figures with the numbers arriving from those countries. Also before we get too carried away we should maybe consider the apparent contradictions on offer as regards figures surrounding this topic.

In March 2025 the Telegraph claimed that 15% of s*x offences were committed by foreign nationals. (Still leaving 85% committed by home grown offenders.)

By last month the same publication was claiming that 10.6% of s*x offenders were foreign nationals.

In the meantime, Robert Jenrick claimed, earlier this month, that foreign nationals were responsible for 40% of s*x crimes in London. Figures which were sourced from the Centre for Migration Control which is run by Reform UK’ s Robert Bates…just sayin?.

In addition the Telegraph recently claimed that one in 12 (!!) of those now living in London are here illegally…a figure which must, imo, be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

So, while not seeking to belittle the issue which you repeatedly seek to raise, I think even you must question the reliability and consistency of certain figures and claims made by those such as the Telegraph, CMC and Mr. Jenrick.

[ramAnag]

Intolerance? Interesting, when immigration has been pushing nearly 1000000 net a year and illegal immigration going through the roof?

Really? I believe net (legal) migration into the UK in the year ending Dec.2024 was 431,000. Quite a difference there, but that’s figures for you.

[SithHappens]

I thought Reform were the party who champion free speech?

Unless it's hurty words about them?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cger45p0lv0o

[Andy_Faber]

I honestly don?t think it?s about sides.

I beg to differ, I think positions are becoming entrenched (on many issues) and the consequences of not ticking all your side?s boxes can be dire

[SithHappens]

I see after Rylans rant on TV yesterday he's had Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate applauding his comments, surely that has to tell you something.