Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Fair enough Tricky, be interesting to compare those figures with the numbers arriving from those countries. Also before we get too carried away we should maybe consider the apparent contradictions on offer as regards figures surrounding this topic.

In March 2025 the Telegraph claimed that 15% of s*x offences were committed by foreign nationals. (Still leaving 85% committed by home grown offenders.)

By last month the same publication was claiming that 10.6% of s*x offenders were foreign nationals.

In the meantime, Robert Jenrick claimed, earlier this month, that foreign nationals were responsible for 40% of s*x crimes in London. Figures which were sourced from the Centre for Migration Control which is run by Reform UK? s Robert Bates?just sayin?.

In addition the Telegraph recently claimed that one in 12 (!!) of those now living in London are here illegally?a figure which must, imo, be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

So, while not seeking to belittle the issue which you repeatedly seek to raise, I think even you must question the reliability and consistency of certain figures and claims made by those such as the Telegraph, CMC and Mr. Jenrick.

Figures claims will vary from source to source.
But take the crime figures alone, of convicted- population representation. It?s horrific in some cases like Somalians.

I saw an interesting government chart the other day about London boroughs. The average mugging criminal was identified as black. In some boroughs it was 70-80%.

This isn?t coincidence. It?s relative to a massive influx of migration, with very poor integration.
I mentioned somalians, crimes like mugging was very heavily represented by them
In the same way as Pakistanis feature top of the pile of child grooming. Its culture, that has not changed even when relocating to another country.

It never was going to change at the speed it was forced on the nation.

I don?t actually blame the immigrants, I blame our **** wit politicians for allowing it.

[Trickytreesreds]

Really? I believe net (legal) migration into the UK in the year ending Dec.2024 was 431,000. Quite a difference there, but that?s figures for you.

I said has been dopey. BTW when they said it was 750 000 , they lied. It was actually over 900 000

[Trickytreesreds]

I see after Rylans rant on TV yesterday he's had Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate applauding his comments, surely that has to tell you something.

Yes it does, it tells me TR and AT aren?t homophobic, blowing a hole in the lefts rants

[Trickytreesreds]

I see Ed Davey is refusing to attend a dinner as part of Trumps state visit. Good on him.

Arrrrrrh the Post Master murderer takes a moral high ground stance. Bit late in reality

[Trickytreesreds]

?It?s a small number of people. A minority who are behaving in this way?.

Absolutely true, but it?s a small number who are being given credibility and encouragement by the likes of Farage and others to act in this way. ?Christ is the King?. Oh yes, he?d have been so proud.

I wasn?t going to answer this, but changed my mind

I don?t condone all this painting crap, but the flags, why not?

The left clap and cheer at Palestine flags, Pride flags, in fact anything non nationalistic regarding England. Scotland, Wales,N Ireland national pride is fine though. It?s sweet and lovely.

Dont give me any of that division nonsense either. The flags I mentioned upset others in the country, usually by religion. But that gets swept under the carpet.

St George flag is our national flag. Why should the majority of us feel ashamed to fly it?


I want you to ask yourself, why folks have had to resort to this. Why are they slapping flags, painting things nationalistic and organising protests all over the country?
Could it possibly be, that they are at the end of their tether, of successive governments ignoring them and belittling them

Just 2 days ago, this atrocious government makes a statement that Illegal migrants rights are more important than the local populations rights. Despite the rise in *** attacks on young girls.
Sorry, but I?m not having that
A governments FIRST ACT OF DUTY is to protect a country?s population.


This one isn?t content with taxing you to death and removing your civil rights. It?s ramming foreigners well being first down your throat

[Trickytreesreds]

So my BIL has always been prone to racist comments but I do genuinely think that since Brexit he's been more openly racist.

My nieces husband really surprised me with some of his comments at a gathering last year. I was just surprised someone so young held those views.

My parents, I think it's more an age thing. They, especially mum, will lap up and believe everything the media tell them. She told me yesterday that she believes not only do Muslims etc not want to respect 'our' ways but they want 'us' to live like they do.

I do think there current climate enables people more, i dread to think what discussion is held when I'm not there.

I?ll give you one example of them doing exactly that. Look up how many food companies have switched their production lines to HALAL exclusive.

As an advocate against animal cruelty, I find it offensive we are doing exactly that to pacify a religion

[SithHappens]

I'm aware that many give Halal options. And I'm guessing the amount of options may differ depending on the community they are being sold in.

I dont know which companies are exclusively halal (that wouldn't have been previously). Have done a Google and can't lay my hands on the information.

I did read that the majority of animals used for halal food are humanely stunned first, but I'm no expert on animal slaughter so would not get into an argument about it.

I would guess the only true way to eat a diet which is cruelty free is go vegetarian or even vegan.

[Andy_Faber]

I'm aware that many give Halal options. And I'm guessing the amount of options may differ depending on the community they are being sold in.

I dont know which companies are exclusively halal (that wouldn't have been previously). Have done a Google and can't lay my hands on the information.

I did read that the majority of animals used for halal food are humanely stunned first, but I'm no expert on animal slaughter so would not get into an argument about it.

I would guess the only true way to eat a diet which is cruelty free is go vegetarian or even vegan.

I see Tricky?s point about creeping Islamisation but wrt halal or not, it?s all about killing a living thing, I?m not vegetarian but I think about that whenever I eat meat. One for another thread I guess

[SithHappens]

I see Tricky?s point about creeping Islamisation but wrt halal or not, it?s all about killing a living thing, I?m not vegetarian but I think about that whenever I eat meat. One for another thread I guess

I was just reading KFC site about halal. They have some sites that are halal, but all require the animals to be stunned first.

Whats the difference between a halal stunned animal slaughter and a stunned non halal slaughter?

I always thought the idea with halal was by killing the animal non humanely the fear the animal has produces adrenaline which makes the meat taste different, or am I thinking of something else?

[Andy_Faber]

I was just reading KFC site about halal. They have some sites that are halal, but all require the animals to be stunned first.

Whats the difference between a halal stunned animal slaughter and a stunned non halal slaughter?

I always thought the idea with halal was by killing the animal non humanely the fear the animal has produces adrenaline which makes the meat taste different, or am I thinking of something else?

Its about Islamic ritual, which is part of what sets off folk like Tricky, because the more Halal meat is pushed at those who aren't bothered, in theory the more butchery becomes the preserve of Muslims or atleast needs Muslims in the process. If you think ANY of this, Halal or otherwise, is pleasant try to find the excellent BBC series 'Kill It Cook It Eat It'. I'm not evangelising for veganism, just suggesting something that might be an eye-opener

[SithHappens]

The guy in Manchester who is behind erecting most of the flags there is actually a convicted criminal guilty of illegally importing foreign nationals into the UK

True patriot.

[SithHappens]

Its about Islamic ritual, which is part of what sets off folk like Tricky, because the more Halal meat is pushed at those who aren't bothered, in theory the more butchery becomes the preserve of Muslims or atleast needs Muslims in the process. If you think ANY of this, Halal or otherwise, is pleasant try to find the excellent BBC series 'Kill It Cook It Eat It'. I'm not evangelising for veganism, just suggesting something that might be an eye-opener

The question is, is there any truth to the claim that lots of Companies have switched to halal exclusive production? By switched of course i mean those that are everyday British brands etc.

[swaledale]

It is time that responsible politicians had an honest conversation about immigration and asylum seekers. fat chance of that happening and I'm beyond contempt at Labour for pandering to the xenophobic fake news party!

I agree that hotels aren't suitable for housing them, but lets not forget it was the Tories and Jenrick in particular who did this and created a backlog in processing claims and failed to deport those whose claims failed.

Labour has committed to ending the use of hotels, though they are going to have to do it quicker than 2029, they ahve also beefed up enforcement of illegal working.


I had to laugh at Farage claiming he'd deport 600,000, there are actually only 110,000 in the UK! Still when did facts or actual solutions to issues matter to that blustering, narcissistic grifter?

Lets al so remember, that the majority of the UK voters aren't focussed on asylum seekers, yes they would like to see them properly and humanely handled but this ugly xenophobic rhetoric that's in the right wing media and pushed by reform and the Tories et al isn't in tune with what most people think.

[swaledale]

Its about Islamic ritual, which is part of what sets off folk like Tricky, because the more Halal meat is pushed at those who aren't bothered, in theory the more butchery becomes the preserve of Muslims or atleast needs Muslims in the process. If you think ANY of this, Halal or otherwise, is pleasant try to find the excellent BBC series 'Kill It Cook It Eat It'. I'm not evangelising for veganism, just suggesting something that might be an eye-opener

Of course the elephant in this room is kosher methods of slaughtering animals!!

[SithHappens]

Of course the elephant in this room is kosher methods of slaughtering animals!!

I struggle to believe there is any truly humane way of slaughtering animals. I cannot believe that transporting them in cramped conditions then the actual process does not create fear and distress.

I used to be vegetarian but in moments of weakness I began eating meat again although I dont eat much and eat a mostly vegetarian diet

I wish i could be totally vegetarian, maybe one day I'll try again