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[MadAmster]

Its almost as if these types do it purely for their own self interest, the attention they get and the money they accrue, whilst distracting the masses by ranting on about immigration, from the fact that the richest 1% are getting richer at the rest of the populations expense!!

Exactly.

[MadAmster]

Charlie Kirk, shot and killed for his beliefs. Shouldn't happen, however much you might disagree with him. His thoughts on empathy were interesting and I wonder what he'd make of someone disagreeing with those thoughts feeling empathy towards his friends and family following his death. "Social media" is full of those screaming "it's the way of the left". Rewind to June of this year. Democrat Melissa Hartman and her husband shot and killed for their views. Same month, Democrat John Hoffman shot 9 times and his wife 8 times. Somehow they both survived. Same crap, I disagree with you so you must die. That is so damned wrong.

Not yet seen/heard any conspeorists saying false flag....

[Andy_Faber]

Charlie Kirk, shot and killed for his beliefs. Shouldn't happen, however much you might disagree with him. His thoughts on empathy were interesting and I wonder what he'd make of someone disagreeing with those thoughts feeling empathy towards his friends and family following his death. "Social media" is full of those screaming "it's the way of the left". Rewind to June of this year. Democrat Melissa Hartman and her husband shot and killed for their views. Same month, Democrat John Hoffman shot 9 times and his wife 8 times. Somehow they both survived. Same crap, I disagree with you so you must die. That is so damned wrong.

Not yet seen/heard any conspeorists saying false flag....

I saw this 'as live' ie before it hit any mainstream newswires last eve, by total coincidence. Gruesome, don't search it out.

Sad, tragic, he had a way of connecting with young adults and of calling out some of the more bonkers (mainly leftist, sorry fellahs) views. I didn't agree with everything he said (esp his black/white views on abortion) but for the most part his opinions were well put over and evidence-backed. Shame someone decided that 'cancel culture' needed to go this far.

A false flag of sorts happened almost as soon as mainstream media got hold of this, a spokesman on MSNBC suggested it was a stray 'celebration shot' from a supporter. I understand that spokesman has since been dismissed, possibly as much as anything to protect MSNBC's lefty credentials. The rumour online is that the commentator also said 'he deserved it' but I've seen no evidence of that

Old-school 'mainstream media only' forum members may need to do some catching up here as Charlie was effectively 'cancelled' from it, although massive elsewhere

[MadAmster]

I saw this 'as live' ie before it hit any mainstream newswires last eve, by total coincidence. Gruesome, don't search it out.

Sad, tragic, he had a way of connecting with young adults and of calling out some of the more bonkers (mainly leftist, sorry fellahs) views. I didn't agree with everything he said (esp his black/white views on abortion) but for the most part his opinions were well put over and evidence-backed. Shame someone decided that 'cancel culture' needed to go this far.

A false flag of sorts happened almost as soon as mainstream media got hold of this, a spokesman on MSNBC suggested it was a stray 'celebration shot' from a supporter. I understand that spokesman has since been dismissed, possibly as much as anything to protect MSNBC's lefty credentials. The rumour online is that the commentator also said 'he deserved it' but I've seen no evidence of that

Old-school 'mainstream media only' forum members may need to do some catching up here as Charlie was effectively 'cancelled' from it, although massive elsewhere

I was aware of him and disagreed with many of his outpourings.

[swaledale]

I saw this 'as live' ie before it hit any mainstream newswires last eve, by total coincidence. Gruesome, don't search it out.

Sad, tragic, he had a way of connecting with young adults and of calling out some of the more bonkers (mainly leftist, sorry fellahs) views. I didn't agree with everything he said (esp his black/white views on abortion) but for the most part his opinions were well put over and evidence-backed. Shame someone decided that 'cancel culture' needed to go this far.

A false flag of sorts happened almost as soon as mainstream media got hold of this, a spokesman on MSNBC suggested it was a stray 'celebration shot' from a supporter. I understand that spokesman has since been dismissed, possibly as much as anything to protect MSNBC's lefty credentials. The rumour online is that the commentator also said 'he deserved it' but I've seen no evidence of that

Old-school 'mainstream media only' forum members may need to do some catching up here as Charlie was effectively 'cancelled' from it, although massive elsewhere

I would be genuinely interested as to which of his opinions you feel were evidence backed?

[swaledale]

Charlie Kirk, shot and killed for his beliefs. Shouldn't happen, however much you might disagree with him. His thoughts on empathy were interesting and I wonder what he'd make of someone disagreeing with those thoughts feeling empathy towards his friends and family following his death. "Social media" is full of those screaming "it's the way of the left". Rewind to June of this year. Democrat Melissa Hartman and her husband shot and killed for their views. Same month, Democrat John Hoffman shot 9 times and his wife 8 times. Somehow they both survived. Same crap, I disagree with you so you must die. That is so damned wrong.

Not yet seen/heard any conspeorists saying false flag....

Generally agree, though this type of political violence has been a factor in USA politics for many decades, e.g. JFK, Martin Luther King and so forth. You have a country full of guns and these things are going to happen.

Its regrettable both in terms of the effect on his family and the fact that this "influencer" will now be made a "martyr" by the right.

[MadAmster]

They're saying the shot was from 130 metres. The shooter was no amateur, quite the contrary, IMO he'd fall into the "expert" category. If he's a lone wolf then I fully expect him to be caught. If it's a false flag or a foreign to the USA attack then he's probably no longer in the country.

[SithHappens]

Turned in by his own father. Imagine having to do that.

[Andy_Faber]

I would be genuinely interested as to which of his opinions you feel were evidence backed?

Sorry we’ve gone beyond that, we collectively have been talking ‘world issues’ for nearly ten years now and no-one has moved anyone else’s worldview a tenth of a degree, we’ve just descended into nastiness, so I’m not going to expand on my comment. I continually refer to Mac’s recent admonishment of our constant bickering as a ‘last straw’ for me. On this subject I suggest you listen to Charlie Clark’s opinions, and the arguments from the other side, and then do the research yourself.

[ramAnag]

Sorry we?’ve gone beyond that, we collectively have been talking ?‘world issues?’ for nearly ten years now and no-one has moved anyone else?’s worldview a tenth of a degree, we?’ve just descended into nastiness, so I?’m not going to expand on my comment. I continually refer to Mac?’s recent admonishment of our constant bickering as a ?‘last straw?’ for me. On this subject I suggest you listen to Charlie Clark?’s opinions, and the arguments from the other side, and then do the research yourself.

Which, translated from AF speak, means, ‘I can continue to make my own topical and personal asides but whenever I’m asked to back them up I’ll claim it’s all descending into unpleasantness and do a runner’.

At least have the courage of your convictions man. You’re only being asked to back up what you’ve suggested. Disagreement doesn’t have to be unpleasant, it can be respectful.

Anyway, back on topic. Tbh I’d never heard of this Charlie Kirk chap but I have been to Utah, where he was apparently killed. Absolutely magnificent landscape, weird drinking laws (which the friendly young waiter who served us actually agreed were odd) but possibly most relevant of all, I remember being in the same bar/restaurant where T-shirts were on sale with the logo, ‘You’re in Utah. Imagine everyone is armed!’, emblazoned above an image of a handgun. Tells its own story, live by the gun laws…….

[ramAnag]

The latest (this week’s) YouGov poll on the subject of voting intentions reveal that Reform are currently in the lead on 27%, followed by Labour - 22%, Tories - 17%, Lib Dems - 15%, Greens - 12%.

A General Election is still maybe four years away and one might expect Labour to have strengthened support by then, but as things currently stand, in very broad terms one could envisage an alliance between Reform and the Tories which would have the backing of about 44% of the electorate and one could equally reasonably expect to see a Labour/LibDem/Green coalition which would currently claim support from around 49% of the electorate.

Apart from possibly increasing the significance of the smaller, specifically Welsh, Scottish and NI, parties where would that leave us?

[Andy_Faber]

Disagreement doesn?t have to be unpleasant, it can be respectful.
T.

And yet the last few occasions I?ve tried to enter into a debate the responses were unpleasant so you?ll have to suffer whatever approach I choose to take. You?ve bullied, bored or bull****ted away from the forum everyone with a remotely different view and now there?s just me, and I don?t even have a strong opinion one way or another, just don?t like the entrenched to have their way. So, if you don?t like my future approach, to quote the great Ed Rooney, suck it up buttercup

[SithHappens]

The latest (this week’s) YouGov poll on the subject of voting intentions reveal that Reform are currently in the lead on 27%, followed by Labour - 22%, Tories - 17%, Lib Dems - 15%, Greens - 12%.

A General Election is still maybe four years away and one might expect Labour to have strengthened support by then, but as things currently stand, in very broad terms one could envisage an alliance between Reform and the Tories which would have the backing of about 44% of the electorate and one could equally reasonably expect to see a Labour/LibDem/Green coalition which would currently claim support from around 49% of the electorate.

Apart from possibly increasing the significance of the smaller, specifically Welsh, Scottish and NI, parties where would that leave us?

Reforms share in polls seems to be already diminishing

Probably not helped from their refusal, or even aggressive response to answering probing questions.

The dark horse, and I accepted I'm biased, are the lib dems, because while their overall percentage is lower, the vote is well placed. They do well in seats they are competitive in and very poorly elsewhere. I can forsee Reform actually getting the popular share of the vote but few seats because they finish second in the majority.

[swaledale]

Well as AF seems unable to provide the evidence to back up his post, which to be fair has been his usual practice for well over 12 months. Lets look at some of Charlie Kirk's views in his own words and others can judge!

On Race

If I see a Black pilot, I?m going to be like, boy, I hope he?s qualified.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

If you?re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

On gender, feminism and reproductive rights

Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You?re not in charge.

? Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce?s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025

The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.

? Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024

We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that?s a fact. It?s happening more and more.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I?m dealing with somebody in customer service who?s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they?re coming out and they?re saying it for us ? You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person?s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

On gun violence
I think it?s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

? Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk?s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

On immigration
America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025

The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024

The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024
On Islam
America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025

We?ve been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don?t care, that?s what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

? The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025

Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.

? Charlie Kirk social media post, 8 September 2025

[swaledale]

And yet the last few occasions I?ve tried to enter into a debate the responses were unpleasant so you?ll have to suffer whatever approach I choose to take. You?ve bullied, bored or bull****ted away from the forum everyone with a remotely different view and now there?s just me, and I don?t even have a strong opinion one way or another, just don?t like the entrenched to have their way. So, if you don?t like my future approach, to quote the great Ed Rooney, suck it up buttercup

What utter *******s! You've been posting crap and then refusing to explain or justify your views for a long time now and this crap that RA in particular has bullied or bored or BS everyone away from the Forum is utter horse****!

For a start, if people don't want to comment or get involved in political debates, the threads are clearly marked and obvious and they can stick to football. Footymad is dying on its arse, there is actual evidence of that on any of the Forum's, but no wait a minute, it must have been myself and RA who have made everybody leave ForestMad for example.

I really do piss myself laughing when you come over all holier than thou and portray yourself as not letting the "entrenched" ahve it their own way!

For a start, your lacking in self awareness here, the only closed mind, entrenched views on this Forum are from you and certain other more openly rabid poster.

Secondly, posting some unsubstantiated anecdotal *******s and then refusing, or as is more likely being unable to back your claims up with a strong argument isn't achieving what you think it is. Your just flailing around trying to be clever, whilst appearing to be rather stupid. Anyone can throw a post in and then claim they aren't bothering to back up what they claim, it either means they have no actual evidence or are, as has frequently been the case with yourself, unable to back up what you claim.

Blaming your inability to be able to argue your case on the basis that RA in particular has been unpleasant (utter nonsense), I'm happy to plead guilty to not actually having much patience with people who demonstrate ignorance and an inability to justify their views and beliefs. I mean there is no compunction on you or anybody to do so, but then don't bother to enter the debate, as I've said often times before, you just demonstrate your true nature and very often make yourself look very silly.

RA and I are very sorry that you feel intimidated by us, but its not our fault you have a simplistic and it seems an entrenched view of life, thats your problem so own it.