Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;40750450]As I said yesterday, nothing any of us have said since the year dot has moved anyone's worldview a fraction of a degree so you're really wasting your breath (as am I really). Swale seems incapable of comprehending that anyone would have a different view to him and you just tag along 6 months behind, fair enough but you've started to adopt his personal attack methods which is disappointing, 'youre better than that'. MA (who's opinions I disagree with a bit and agree with a bit) and Sith (likewise) don't feel the need to get personal, follow their example not Swale's.[/QUOTE

Except that's not strictly true, because according to you, your not right of centre with the occasional view that leans further to the right, yet, recent posts from you indicate you are very much right of centre, in fact your actually less up front than our other rabid right wing poster, he at least is openly xenophobic and racist, whereas you strive to appear reasonable whilst subtly supporting such views. So it would seem, what RA and I ahve said have pushed you further to the right.

Perhaps at least have the courage of your convictions rather than pretend? I mean its a short journey from thinking Farage/ Trump or whoever is spouting rabid nonsense, but has some good ideas to actually agreeing with more and more of what these people say and lets be honest there are enough posts on this forum by you which most reasoable people would find somewhat distasteful, whatever ones view of the world.

Its bloody funny when you say I can't comprehend people having a different view, because you couldn't be more wrong. That in itself demonstrates a blinkered view from you, I rather think its you who when having your views or claims challenged, find it awkward when you can provide no evidence or coherent reasoning to support those views.

The reason you get attacked, is purely because of your sarcastic, ignorant, attitude when asked to actually explain or back up your opinion. AS for RA attacking you, that's utter *******s, he has just got completely frustrated at your habit of posting some unverifiable rubbish and then failing when asked in a reasonable manner (by RA at least) to explain or justify your opinion.

Me I just think your an ignorant ****!

[swaledale]

On Charlie Kirk, I will admit to not really knowing anything about him before the horrible events this week.

I have read details on what he has supposed to have said and my initial thoughts were hed said some horrible things but what I can see is there is a lot of disinformation about the things he's supposed to have said and people are falling foul by making judgments without fact checking, look up Stephen King (yes that one) as an example.

He seems aligned to Trump, Musk and Farage so I expect I would strongly disagree with much hes said but I can't imagine anything he's said justifies what some are saying, and even celebrating his death.

His wife and young children have lost a husband and dad and that's tragic. And if it's true his dad handed him in, then that's got to be one of the most traumatic yet brave things a person can do.

Go to my post 4109 Sith, where I've summarised a selection of what he has said and you will soon get the idea! The guy is of the same cloth as Tate and others, racist, misogynistic, ***ist, homophobic, xenophobic etc. A far right rabble rouser, preaching hate, disinformation etc.

Obviously from AF's point of view, these guys need to be given a hearing, I mean every now and then they might say something coherent, but if you find right wing Nazi's (US version) abhorrent, the fact they might be right about the weather isn't really a reason to give them room to spread their poisonous nonsense!

AS for comments following his death, saying one is happy or glad about it is wrong, but describing the guy as a very nasty fascist and being clear about what he said and what he stood for is perfectly acceptable.

I've never been one for having much sympathy for people of that ilk alive or dead, but draw the line at "celebrating" his death, that just encourages more violence and is no way to win an argument.

Though let it be noted that recent democratic party politicians that have been killed, did not elicit sympathetic comments from Trump or most Republicans - thats not the way the far right play these things.

[swaledale]

Well put Sith. Too many people (inc on here) are clutching at straws and playing catch up with their hatred. I followed him (and his liberal adversaries) a lot, I disagreed totally with some of his beliefs but he debated, rather than indoctrinated.

More important than anything tome however is the life lost and the fatherless family. I know its US again but I find the murder of Iryna Zarutska, a total innocent, more troubling

No he ****ing didn't!! What planet are you on? The guy was totally trying to indoctrinate people and succeeding! In fact it seems he has at least partly succeeded with you!

Your stance on this matters is now making sense, your naïve enough to consider these are "reasonable" people, with a mix of ideas that some of which you agree with! In fact your indoctrinated, whilst calling others "blinkered!!

Jeez, how gullible can some people be?

[swaledale]

There’s only really been you, GP (sometimes) and Tricky with right wing views, AF.
You repeatedly deny it, GP plays at it and, in your own words from long ago, threatens to leave the forum more than anyone else, and I doubt very much that I’ve bullied anyone, least of all TTR who thrives off and instigates conflict.

‘Bullied, bored or bull****ted people away with a different view?. There’s another b word you’ve missed - bollux - and you know it.

For the record, I take exception to right wing bullying of the type that is currently rife in this country and which you seem to tacitly defend. I always will do, but I totally accept that people have different views and it is only by arguing your case that minds can be changed, hence perhaps the 4000 plus responses to this thread. People hardly seem to have been bullied away from that have they? Here’s a thought, perhaps the problem lies with the unreliability of the forum rather than the person who started the most responded to thread.

It rather looks RA as if AF has been indoctrinated! All the signs are there, he hates being challenged directly over his opinions or world view, he finds far right people's views, acceptable in certain circumstances, he thinks Kirk was debating, rather than preaching and spreading for the purposes of indoctrination his obnoxious views. he thinks me saying such views are obnoxious is blinkered!

Bless him, his mind has been captured and he doesn't even notice, even getting shirty when I labelled him centre right! I was wrong, he is to the right of being centre right, not quite in the far right space, but tempted by it, where it seems to agree with his narrow anecdotal view of the world.

I can see him voting Reform come the next election for sure.

[Andy_Faber]

Go to my post 4109 Sith, where I've summarised a selection of what he has said and you will soon get the idea!

…specifically that Swale has learned the art of cutting and pasting and hasn’t included the context of any of it - please find the quotes for yourself in context, you may agree with some and disagree with some, like most people, but make your own mind up

I joked last week about Swale calling rA’s grass a Nazi but it’s getting to that stage, anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi and it’s straight out of the far left playbook, depressingly predictable

[ramAnag]

?‚?…specifically that Swale has learned the art of cutting and pasting and hasn?‚?’t included the context of any of it - please find the quotes for yourself in context, you may agree with some and disagree with some, like most people, but make your own mind up

I joked last week about Swale calling rA?‚?’s grass a Nazi but it?‚?’s getting to that stage, anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi and it?‚?’s straight out of the far left playbook, depressingly predictable

I’m sorry Andy, but - even as moderator - you seem to be the only person on here too lazy to try and cope with the forum’s ridiculous idiosyncrasies and so the above took a little while to decipher.

Your ‘joke’ about the grass. Is that what it was? I doubt anyone laughed and your point is untrue. Swale doesn’t claim anyone who disagrees with him to be a Nazi. He doesn’t do that and if you’re so certain he has then produce the evidence.

That is precisely what Swale has done where Charlie Kirk’s utterances are concerned. He’s produced evidence and that evidence, regardless of context, is alarming, not least because people like you, who claim no political bias, are now defending him. There’s an old saying, ‘never speak ill of the dead’, I don’t necessarily agree with it. If someone said and did bad things when they were alive I’m not suddenly going to change my opinion because they’ve been killed. As it happens I’d never heard of the bloke prior to his murder but from what I’ve heard since I’m quite grateful for that.

As regards the Nazi thing. As I’ve said previously I did think Swale had slightly over egged the comparison but recent events have changed my mind. There are, imo, valid comparisons between the growth of the Right (Naziism) in Germany during the thirties and what is happening in our own country, and elsewhere, today. As someone in their early seventies I’ll admit that scares me from the point of view of my children and grandchildren.

Instead of just indulging in ‘jokes’, slightly pathetic point scoring and misrepresenting both Swale and myself, why don’t you actually turn your thoughts and attention to that rather more serious issue and tell us all, objectively, what you think.

[SithHappens]

Stupid Question. When someone reference a post number, how do I easily find it?

[Andy_Faber]

tell us all, objectively, what you think.

All? there's only five of us who post regularly...

I'm repeating myself from a few recent posts, but I think there's no point trying to argue anything through here because everyone who contributes has closed minds/entrenched views (I'll exclude Sith and the mysterious Ramshank of current active posters) and to varying degrees cherry pick / exaggerate / invent / carelessly misinterpret info to support their POV (there was a sackful last week). I might be guilty of the same, you'll never know for sure but you are welcome to your opinion on it.

[ramAnag]

Stupid Question. When someone reference a post number, how do I easily find it?

Not sure what you’re using, Sith, but on my iPad there’s a thick black line separating each post with the post number on the right eg #4134 and the details of when the post was made on the left.

[Andy_Faber]

Stupid Question. When someone reference a post number, how do I easily find it?

if you're on lptop/desktop its in the top right hand corner of the post. If you're on mobile you're buggered

[ramAnag]

All? there's only five of us who post regularly...

I'm repeating myself from a few recent posts, but I think there's no point trying to argue anything through here because everyone who contributes has closed minds/entrenched views (I'll exclude Sith and the mysterious Ramshank of current active posters) and to varying degrees cherry pick / exaggerate / invent / carelessly misinterpret info to support their POV (there was a sackful last week). I might be guilty of the same, you'll never know for sure but you are welcome to your opinion on it.

Yes, you are and perhaps if you sorted the site out and stopped using excuse after excuse to evade a genuine question or make a sensible point there might be more. As it stands I imagine there’ll be less than the five you suggest soon as I for one feel that it’s a complete waste of time at present, but you’ll probably blame that, in your totally unreasoned way, on Swale or myself.

[SithHappens]

Yeah on my phone. Explains why I'm being dumb ha.

[Andy_Faber]

Yes, you are and perhaps if you sorted the site out and stopped using excuse after excuse to evade a genuine question or make a sensible point there might be more. As it stands I imagine there?ll be less than the five you suggest soon as I for one feel that it?s a complete waste of time at present, but you?ll probably blame that, in your totally unreasoned way, on Swale or myself.

So why do YOU feel its a waste of time

[MadAmster]

So, AF, reports that Robinson was influenced by Fuentes/Groyper are incorrect?

[ramAnag]

Two essential reasons, imo.
1) The forum has become technically dreadful i.e unreliable and horribly time consuming if one is trying to post in anything approaching legible and literate English.
2) You have become the antithesis of a moderator eg you have improved nothing, are incapable of accepting you may be wrong or have made a mistake, and all too regularly incite unpleasantness while blaming others.

All in all, I have enjoyed the contributions and ‘company’ of MA, Swale (most of the time ) Sith, mac and RS, along with others in days gone by - even RR, but in all other ways it is no longer a pleasant or constructive place to ‘be’.