Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

Did you really type that tripe or has AI invaded your laptop? Do you really think the worst thing to have happened in WW2 was the bombing of a football ground? I think the tens of millions of people killed might disagree. I can scarcely imagine how terrible it must have been to have had to play ones home football matches at a different ground - that Hitler was such a cad. Did you also notice during that confliect that tens of millions were killed? have you made the connection between the annigilation of the jews to such an extent they needed to be given a homeland and oh, thats gone well hasnt it and is to a large extent the reason why what is happening today is happening today. But **** that, a football team had to play home games somewhere else....I cannot imagine the global anxiety, disruption and utter chaos that created

God you’re a self righteous prat sometimes, GP.
Where have I said, or even vaguely suggested, that ‘the bombing of a football ground was the worst thing to have happened in WWII’? Oh yes, that’s right…I haven’t.

All that happened was that one of those ‘on this day in ****’ randomly popped up on my iPad at lunchtime, complete with black and white image of Old Trafford having had one stand blown to bits.
It looked uncannily like some of the images of Gaza, Lebanon or Iran that have become so common on our TV screens in recent years/months/days and this being, first and foremost, a football forum I thought it worthy of comment.

Old Trafford is an iconic venue in our country and to see it partially reduced to rubble in a way that is happening in so much of the Middle East struck a nerve. I’m sorry if your imagination doesn’t stretch that far or if you don’t recognise the context and parallels between the exploits of a madman in the 1930’s - 1940’s and the one that’s around today.

[swaledale]

Ironically enough if the boot was on the other foot and Iranian agents had killed Trump my view if that the war would have ended...

An interesting hypothesis GP, but IMO that would prompt an all out war and invasion, given thats what happened after 9/11.

Its apparent that in spite of Trump's failure to follow the consitution and get approval from Congress for his actions, there is a clear split amongst Democrats, those that are in some way spnsored or connected to the Israeli lobby have either supported or not crticised the actions, some have gone as far as to say they would not vote for the "end war" proposal the Democrats want to put before Congress.

Whilst public opinon in the US might by all accounts seem to be against what Trump has done, that woud chnage quickly if the President was assasinated by a foreign power. The US would feel it have to respond.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Which makes me wonder why there is so much hate for Trump if tha we re is that much support for the policy. If you're right then it's Trump enacting the will of the people (in a rather 'look at me" manners) and so it's the USA which should receive the negative press rather than Trump personally?

[swaledale]

Which makes me wonder why there is so much hate for Trump if tha we re is that much support for the policy. If you're right then it's Trump enacting the will of the people (in a rather 'look at me" manners) and so it's the USA which should receive the negative press rather than Trump personally?

The hate for Trump is the way he has disregarded the norms of democracy and the constitution, plus his crass way of doing things. Being negative about any country assumes that its citizens are a homogenous group who all think and vote in the same way, thats not true of the USA, the UK or Iran or anywhere else.

The issue here, is that more than likely the majority of people in the Western World aren't mourning the death of Iran's Supreme Leader the majority are not comfortable with the way Trump has gone about it and not confident that the outcome will prove to be positive. IF it had worked, then Trump's actions could well have been conveniently ignored!

If Trump was assassinated, that would change the dynamic within the US I'm sure, as it would if the same happened to a UK PM, any dislike or hate would be subsumed by a reaction to the US or UK being under attack.

A logical reaction to Trump being taken out would be "he asked for it" in my view, but logic rarely counts in Nationalist Politics.

I don't know how true it is, but some commentators have said, that the Democrats lost a significant tranche of votes from Muslims within the US, simply becuase they were unsympathetic to the Palestinian cause and that the loss of those votes may have enabled Trump to win. I wonder how those voters feel now having seen what has happened to Gaza and now Iran?

[ramAnag]

Which makes me wonder why there is so much hate for Trump if tha we re is that much support for the policy. If you're right then it's Trump enacting the will of the people (in a rather 'look at me" manners) and so it's the USA which should receive the negative press rather than Trump personally?

Context, GP. I have no more time for the Ayatollahs than you do, but was this really the correct way to go about things?
He’s *uckin’ up the world and the world’s economies with what appears to be little semblance of a plan, and this is on top of interfering in Venezuela, Greenland and Cuba along with his intentions towards Mexico and Canada, the ruthless actions of ICE and his often insulting/threatening behaviour towards the NATO nations and Ukraine.

First time around the one thing that could be said about Trump was that he didn’t involve the U.S. in any wars. That’s certainly not the case with Trump II and both his policies and behaviour just appear to be becoming more extreme, hence, in your own words, ‘so much hate’.

Have to agree with Swale, an assassination would be horribly counterproductive and would only lead to escalation if it led back to Iran.
A ‘convenient’ heart attack however? I’m not sure many would be mourning.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Primarily for Swale as we were talking about this a fortnight ago.

As noted then noone can predict freight rate futures especially for tankers in the current situation BUT

Marinakis new tanker venture IPO in Norway went public yesterday. Opened at NOK 133 and promptly dropped over 10,% to NOK 118 on opening day trading.

Not sure how much he lost in that 24 hours. but likely another central defender Forest won't be buying. May have saved Pereira's job for a while

[SithHappens]

Hope hes ok. Shall we set up a go fund me ?

[Ram Pant]

Context, GP. I have no more time for the Ayatollahs than you do, but was this really the correct way to go about things?
He?s *uckin? up the world and the world?s economies with what appears to be little semblance of a plan, and this is on top of interfering in Venezuela, Greenland and Cuba along with his intentions towards Mexico and Canada, the ruthless actions of ICE and his often insulting/threatening behaviour towards the NATO nations and Ukraine.

First time around the one thing that could be said about Trump was that he didn?t involve the U.S. in any wars. That?s certainly not the case with Trump II and both his policies and behaviour just appear to be becoming more extreme, hence, in your own words, ?so much hate?.

Have to agree with Swale, an assassination would be horribly counterproductive and would only lead to escalation if it led back to Iran.
A ?convenient? heart attack however? I?m not sure many would be mourning.

I'm not sure Melania would...

[SithHappens]

Both Starmer and Davey made Farage look a Muppet today in PMQ'S

[Ram Pant]

Question for the financial wallahs on here.

The petrol we buy today was refined several weeks ago, it was pumped from the wells months ago. It was paid for months ago at a much cheaper going rate. So, why have petrol prices at the pump shot up?

2nd question, when the crude oil price drops again, why will the drop take time to reach the pumps?

[ramAnag]

Question for the financial wallahs on here.

The petrol we buy today was refined several weeks ago, it was pumped from the wells months ago. It was paid for months ago at a much cheaper going rate. So, why have petrol prices at the pump shot up?

2nd question, when the crude oil price drops again, why will the drop take time to reach the pumps?

Same goes for heating oil. Filled my 1200 litre tank up about four weeks ago for 60p pl. Today it’s around 1.31 pl and I don’t believe all the oil they’re selling has reached here in the last 18 days. Heating oil customers often buy up to three weeks in advance to get a better deal, i.e. if you want it tomorrow it’s often much more expensive than if you give them a 20 day delivery window, but there are reports of orders being cancelled and customers being told they have to reorder at the new, much higher, price.

[macstheman]

I don't think that needs answering RP, it's the norm for the greedy money grabbing gits. Happens every time they see the opportunity for a quick grab of extra profits at our expense. Multi billion profits aren't enough for these ****ehounds!

[swaledale]

Question for the financial wallahs on here.

The petrol we buy today was refined several weeks ago, it was pumped from the wells months ago. It was paid for months ago at a much cheaper going rate. So, why have petrol prices at the pump shot up?

2nd question, when the crude oil price drops again, why will the drop take time to reach the pumps?

Its called capitalism and the "free" market.

[Ram Pant]

The good old "anything that helps us fleece the sheeple is good".

[macstheman]

[QUOTE=swaledale;40811751]Its called capitalism and the "free" market.[/QUOTE

In other words 'fcuk 'em' they're only plebs!