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[ramAnag]

I wouldn't touch them with yours. Most have no substance and a lot of inherent volatility. At best sold by snake oil salesmen, at worst pump and dump Ponzis.

Interesting. It is after all your ‘specialist subject’, although your view certainly wouldn’t appear to be shared by Farage or his chief financial backer who, coincidentally (perhaps) also donated considerable amounts to Boris Johnson.

As I’ve conceded, I know little about such matters. I’m aware that others on here have previously described Farage as a ‘snake oil salesman’ - I might not be so polite - but he certainly seems to be a fan of cryptocurrency and I wonder what others who share your financial insight make of such ‘systems’.

[Geoff Parkstone]

If you are a passenger in the first class seats in the Ponzi / crypto Airplane Game* then of course you are a fan, but for people in the middle or back seats they have or will lose their money to the ones up front who created the "product", hard marketed it, created inflated false value for it and ultimately will dump it (hence pump and dump) leaving those at the back which next to worthless assets.

* easiest to google this rather than me try to explain the con. Google NFT's which are / were classic punp and dump concepts designed to relieve the naive punters from jumping on the bandwagon in the hope of quick high profits. Someone eventually has to pay and its usually someone who isnt quite as clever as they think they are

[Andy_Faber]

So another targeted attack on the Jewish community. I’m wondering if we forum members will be getting another lecture on ‘Good Germans’, firstly at all or secondly laced with caveats….

[MadAmster]

Graffiti on a synagogue. Shouldn't happen. Unfortunately, until there's some semblance of mutual respect and a total lack of violence both ways, in Israel, these things will continue, IMO.

[ramAnag]

So another targeted attack on the Jewish community. I?’m wondering if we forum members will be getting another lecture on ?‘Good Germans?’, firstly at all or secondly laced with caveats?….

My late father in law - a good man despite being a City fan - used to say ‘the only good German is a dead German’. Utter nonsense of course and I often wonder what he’d have made of now having three German great grandchildren, but that’s what happens when you lose an eye, the hearing in one ear and some of your mates to a German attack during WWII. You gain a perspective none of us can, thankfully, fully understand.

Move forward 80 odd years and when people watch those, probably of the same religion and possibly related, suffering at the hands of the Israeli armed forces there might be some degree of similar resentment don’t you think? I mean, how would you feel?

In no way am I defending this morning’s attacks btw. They were atrocious. Completely unacceptable and indefensible, but you might be better off trying to understand what such violence has resulted from, how hatred begets hatred, rather than just trying to score a cheap point.

[ramAnag]

If you are a passenger in the first class seats in the Ponzi / crypto Airplane Game* then of course you are a fan, but for people in the middle or back seats they have or will lose their money to the ones up front who created the "product", hard marketed it, created inflated false value for it and ultimately will dump it (hence pump and dump) leaving those at the back which next to worthless assets.

Sounds a bit like another scam that Farage supported which cost us dear.

[swaledale]

Thanks, it clarifies apart from there being conflicting evidence of amount/type/angle/location of penetration versus blood lost and, why does it matter?

It matters only in as much there is a distinct possibility and not beyond the capability and willingness of Trump and his cohorts to stage such incidents.

[swaledale]

So another targeted attack on the Jewish community. I’m wondering if we forum members will be getting another lecture on ‘Good Germans’, firstly at all or secondly laced with caveats….

I wonder if you will ever understand the concept of a "good German" but fail to see what relevance that has with attacks on Jews. Rather one might ponder whether the actions of the current and past governments of Israel and in particular their needless and horrific slaughter of Lebanese, Palestinian and Iranian civilians might in some small way generate hatred towards Jews by those affiliated to those citizens that have been slaughtered?

Does the ethncity or religion of a person increase or decrease the value of their life? or are they all equal?

[SithHappens]

Reform favourite Lucy Connolly is releasing a book it seems.

Making money out of being a massive hate filled racist is disgusting, sadly people will buy it.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Sounds a bit like another scam that Farage supported which cost us dear.

Scams that cost people dear for sure but its a bit of a stretch to hang it on Farage's door. These things are a global phenomenon

[Geoff Parkstone]

I wonder if you will ever understand the concept of a "good German" but fail to see what relevance that has with attacks on Jews. Rather one might ponder whether the actions of the current and past governments of Israel and in particular their needless and horrific slaughter of Lebanese, Palestinian and Iranian civilians might in some small way generate hatred towards Jews by those affiliated to those citizens that have been slaughtered?

Does the ethncity or religion of a person increase or decrease the value of their life? or are they all equal?

An interesting question likely with two distinctly opposing answers. In theory it should not increase or decrease it. In practice, eons of history have shown that this sort of equality is a pipedream, with in particular hundreds of wars fought and millions of lives lost due to predominantly religious beliefs. Trying to turn back the tide of a few millenia of this attitude will take rather a long time, certainly more than an attention span of an ANTIFA supporter .....

[ramAnag]

Scams that cost people dear for sure but its a bit of a stretch to hang it on Farage's door. These things are a global phenomenon

I think you may have missed my point.

[Andy_Faber]

My late father in law - a good man despite being a City fan - used to say ‘the only good German is a dead German’. Utter nonsense of course and I often wonder what he’d have made of now having three German great grandchildren, but that’s what happens when you lose an eye, the hearing in one ear and some of your mates to a German attack during WWII. You gain a perspective none of us can, thankfully, fully understand.

Move forward 80 odd years and when people watch those, probably of the same religion and possibly related, suffering at the hands of the Israeli armed forces there might be some degree of similar resentment don’t you think? I mean, how would you feel?

In no way am I defending this morning’s attacks btw. They were atrocious. Completely unacceptable and indefensible, but you might be better off trying to understand what such violence has resulted from, how hatred begets hatred, rather than just trying to score a cheap point.

Caveats then. These responses, contrasting with earlier ones, lead me to the conclusion that some here think all victims are equal but some are more equal than others

[swaledale]

Caveats then. These responses, contrasting with earlier ones, lead me to the conclusion that some here think all victims are equal but some are more equal than others

Your response suggests your either being deliberately obtuse, or are unable to interpret correctly what has been said or worse than that are so blinded by your own prejudice and world view that you are unable to understand what is actually being said.


No doubt you will be able to bring up a post where there have been contrasting views to recent responses. But as I recall the same argument has been made on each occasion.

Namely the Hamas attack on Israel was an atrocity, Israel's response in killing in excess of 70,000 Palestinians and laying to waste Gaza was also an atrocity. More to the point, it does not seem to have achieved Israels stated objective which supposedly was to neutralise and Hamas once and for all.

Being critical of the Israeli government is not being anti semtic, supporting the right of ordinary Plaestinians to live in peace in their own country is not anti semtic.

Equally it is clear that neither Hams or Hezbollah care for or act in the best interests of the Palestinians, they know what the response of Israel will be to their actions and they know it is civilians who will bear the brunt of that.

Quite how you equate the responses as terming all people being equal but some being more equal than others is quite frankly bizarre. Every death, every act of violence is a tragedy.

[swaledale]

An interesting question likely with two distinctly opposing answers. In theory it should not increase or decrease it. In practice, eons of history have shown that this sort of equality is a pipedream, with in particular hundreds of wars fought and millions of lives lost due to predominantly religious beliefs. Trying to turn back the tide of a few millenia of this attitude will take rather a long time, certainly more than an attention span of an ANTIFA supporter .....

I'm well aware of the reality, but that is no reason why you or I should not hold the view that it should not increase or decrease it.

Whether the wars that have occurred are predominantly due to religous beliefs, or whether in a number of cases these beliefs are used asa smokescreen to disguise or indeed justify the protaganists true intentions is a pertinent question. I'd say that history shows that the majority of wars are generally about one thing power. Whether that be economic, nationalist/political, or acquisition and control of territory.

In most cases religion has little to do with it. A prime example being the US attack on Iran, which is being framed by Trump's entourage as a type of "Holy War" but is nothing more than mad people wielding power. Religon and Nationalism have long been used by leaders to whip the proles into a frenzy and send their sons into battle on behalf of the elites who rule whatever country is involved.