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[Returnofrros]

I'm not 100% sure if Islay's assumption is correct but it is a fair one to make. DSA allow themselves to be dictated to by John Nelms because if they push back they know they'll lose their privilged status with him.

I'd like to add that this no rocking the boat as it ( whatever it is ) might no happen.....I'd argue it's happening right now in real time and that's why I'm so disappointed in both organisations.....it's not as if you need to be Sherlock to see we are losing supporters at an alarming rate.

We are behind the home attendees of Falkirk, st m, Killie and mwell.....4 clubs I have always regarded Dundee better supported than.

It is happening.

[Deeranged]

I'd like to add that this no rocking the boat as it ( whatever it is ) might no happen.....I'd argue it's happening right now in real time and that's why I'm so disappointed in both organisations.....it's not as if you need to be Sherlock to see we are losing supporters at an alarming rate.

We are behind the home attendees of Falkirk, st m, Killie and mwell.....4 clubs I have always regarded Dundee better supported than.

It is happening.

We are behind those clubs, no doubt about that. And those clubs have stable or increasing attendances whilst our home attendances are declining year on year.

I've said before, John Nelms wouldn't care if he could get this stadium in place and filled it with opposition fans, he'd love to see a sea of green on four sides at a Dundee home game - evidence the ridiculous suggestion to have a Dundee home game against Celtic in Boston. Doesn't give a monkey's nut about Dundee fans.

[Returnofrros]

We are behind those clubs, no doubt about that. And those clubs have stable or increasing attendances whilst our home attendances are declining year on year.

I've said before, John Nelms wouldn't care if he could get this stadium in place and filled it with opposition fans, he'd love to see a sea of green on four sides at a Dundee home game - evidence the ridiculous suggestion to have a Dundee home game against Celtic in Boston. Doesn't give a monkey's nut about Dundee fans.

I can see it, you can see it, a large amount of fans can see it.

There's no point in hoping the club will reborn at campy if we have lost half our support between now and whenever, if ever, never ever we move to campy.

You wud think a supporters association wud maybe comment on this and point it out to nelms.

You would think an organisation (D4L ) commited to growing the fans base wud mibbe want to hold some Texan feet to the fire 🔥

Nope nothing.

3,000 people all can't be wrong.

[jdfc]

The DSA committee members are not holding any meetings with the Dee4life board of directors because the Football Club were not happy about some comments in a recent Dee4life newsletter.
I assume that the Football Club (John Nelms) told the DSA committee members not to hold meetings with the Dee4life board of directors otherwise the DSA would not get their usual allocation of tickets for Away games.

What utter sh1t you spout, DSA members said they didn?t want to speak with folk like you, but the committee will meet when they have something appropriate to discuss, what do you think the purpose of the DSA is, I?m sure you?ll find it?s to help travelling fans and the club in the community, not to fight a battle for a small group of clowns that want to sit in the directors box

[parcbara]

We are behind those clubs, no doubt about that. And those clubs have stable or increasing attendances whilst our home attendances are declining year on year.

I've said before, John Nelms wouldn't care if he could get this stadium in place and filled it with opposition fans, he'd love to see a sea of green on four sides at a Dundee home game - evidence the ridiculous suggestion to have a Dundee home game against Celtic in Boston. Doesn't give a monkey's nut about Dundee fans.

He certainly likes the 'tic does oor John.

[jdfc]

I didn?t agree with American match but did look at cost of going, I don?t see why it was for celtics benefit im sure it was to make our club money and hopefully gain a bit more support, a bit like when we signed the Chinese captain Fan Zing

[islaydarkblue]

What utter sh1t you spout, DSA members said they didn?t want to speak with folk like you, but the committee will meet when they have something appropriate to discuss, what do you think the purpose of the DSA is, I?m sure you?ll find it?s to help travelling fans and the club in the community, not to fight a battle for a small group of clowns that want to sit in the directors box

I have it on good authority that at the beginning of this season a number of DSA affiliated supporters clubs wanted the DSA committee members to hold a meeting with the Dee4life board of directors.
This did not happen because the ?Football Club? informed the DSA committee members that they were not happy about an article in a recent Dee4life newsletter and they did not want the DSA committee members to have a meeting with the Dee4life board of directors.
As far as I am aware the meeting between the DSA committee members and the Dee4life board of directors has subsequently not taken place.
The simple solution for the Dee4life board of directors is to publish their newsletters in the Members only password protected section of the Dee4life website which Nelmsy could not read unless he became a member of Dee4life and paid his annual ten pounds membership fee.

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[eric_sinclair]

I'd like to add that this no rocking the boat as it ( whatever it is ) might no happen.....I'd argue it's happening right now in real time and that's why I'm so disappointed in both organisations.....it's not as if you need to be Sherlock to see we are losing supporters at an alarming rate.

We are behind the home attendees of Falkirk, st m, Killie and mwell.....4 clubs I have always regarded Dundee better supported than.

It is happening.

You could argue
Falkirk,newly promoted boost.
St Mirren continuously do well these days due to an excellent manager.
Motherwell,fan run(seems to work for them)
Killie no sure figures but doubt much difference between them and us.
Regardless how the doc is doing at county if he was still out manager our home fan base would be better.
I blame Nelms as he makes ridiculous decisions like McIntyre and Pressley and that's where I agree with you,with no thoughts on fan reaction.
I have nothing against Pressley and he replaced a manager most thought wrongly sacked.Sayingvthat he doesn't inspire me and most of our football played has been dire.
Although I have witnessed less than 50% of our matches in person.
Jdfc is the man to ask about the quality of our play.

[jdfc]

You could argue
Falkirk,newly promoted boost.
St Mirren continuously do well these days due to an excellent manager.
Motherwell,fan run(seems to work for them)
Killie no sure figures but doubt much difference between them and us.
Regardless how the doc is doing at county if he was still out manager our home fan base would be better.
I blame Nelms as he makes ridiculous decisions like McIntyre and Pressley and that's where I agree with you,with no thoughts on fan reaction.
I have nothing against Pressley and he replaced a manager most thought wrongly sacked.Sayingvthat he doesn't inspire me and most of our football played has been dire.
Although I have witnessed less than 50% of our matches in person.
Jdfc is the man to ask about the quality of our play.

Quality of play, the worst I?ve seen, a few results have papered over the cracks

[jdfc]

I have it on good authority that at the beginning of this season a number of DSA affiliated supporters clubs wanted the DSA committee members to hold a meeting with the Dee4life board of directors.
This did not happen because the ?Football Club? informed the DSA committee members that they were not happy about an article in a recent Dee4life newsletter and they did not want the DSA committee members to have a meeting with the Dee4life board of directors.
As far as I am aware the meeting between the DSA committee members and the Dee4life board of directors has subsequently not taken place.
The simple solution for the Dee4life board of directors is to publish their newsletters in the Members only password protected section of the Dee4life website which Nelmsy could not read unless he became a member of Dee4life and paid his annual ten pounds membership fee..

As someone who attended meeting I can tell you it was stated, there could be no harm in listening to what they had to say, but not to get involved in there politics, which we all know what they are, no vote was had just comments from the floor, not all want to hear from your mates, as stated, DSA is an organisation of supporters clubs that travel to away matches and there purpose is to help them and also help in the community, ie with school football and the trust, not play politics

[Returnofrros]

As someone who attended meeting I can tell you it was stated, there could be no harm in listening to what they had to say, but not to get involved in there politics, which we all know what they are, no vote was had just comments from the floor, not all want to hear from your mates, as stated, DSA is an organisation of supporters clubs that travel to away matches and there purpose is to help them and also help in the community, ie with school football and the trust, not play politics

Should be much easier for DSA now, as less and less and less need help to away matches 😆

[Returnofrros]

You could argue
Falkirk,newly promoted boost.
St Mirren continuously do well these days due to an excellent manager.
Motherwell,fan run(seems to work for them)
Killie no sure figures but doubt much difference between them and us.
Regardless how the doc is doing at county if he was still out manager our home fan base would be better.
I blame Nelms as he makes ridiculous decisions like McIntyre and Pressley and that's where I agree with you,with no thoughts on fan reaction.
I have nothing against Pressley and he replaced a manager most thought wrongly sacked.Sayingvthat he doesn't inspire me and most of our football played has been dire.
Although I have witnessed less than 50% of our matches in person.
Jdfc is the man to ask about the quality of our play.

Falkirk nearly double our support.

St mirren around 2,000 more

Motherwell around 1,000 more

Killie has been the one that over the years was closest to Dundee but boosted by huge away supports, they have reduced this significantly but gates still larger than us.

Dundee fans have loads of excuses not to attend, mines isn't really an excuse anymore it's an honest opinion that nelms and in action by our two main supporters groups is killing us.

[eric_sinclair]

Falkirk nearly double our support.

St mirren around 2,000 more

Motherwell around 1,000 more

Killie has been the one that over the years was closest to Dundee but boosted by huge away supports, they have reduced this significantly but gates still larger than us.

Dundee fans have loads of excuses not to attend, mines isn't really an excuse anymore it's an honest opinion that nelms and in action by our two main supporters groups is killing us.

You could also argue our club has been the worst run club in the UK that is still operating.
2 admins, numerous deviants and dab managers.
Amazing we still got any fans lol

[ROMA84]

You could also argue our club has been the worst run club in the UK that is still operating.
2 admins, numerous deviants and dab managers.
Amazing we still got any fans lol

whats a dab manager?

[Returnofrros]

You could also argue our club has been the worst run club in the UK that is still operating.
2 admins, numerous deviants and dab managers.
Amazing we still got any fans lol

And yet some people argue nelms is ok......he's failed on just about every aspect and some have yet to be concluded.

Keyes has covered losses....no really anything to do with nelms.

He's made a very very good living from his pal and DFC, his son is now making a living from DFC.....but their achievements are?

Increased fan base......F
Connected with fans...F
Tidy well kept stadium.....E.....it wasn't great when they took over
Recognised the 2nd largest shareholder....F
Backed manager......C
Player contract negotiations.....E
Buy back Dens.......got there in the end.....C
Prices.......E
Kids prices....E
Campy....promised much delivered little....D
Fans enthused and involved new stadium...E