Official Nelmsy Campus Countdown

[islaydarkblue]

in 114 days you can say this year it will happen.

Nelmsy will need to get Aneka Rice and her Challenge Aneka team to build his stadium in 355 days.

[Returnofrros]

Nelmsy will need to get Aneka Rice and her Challenge Aneka team to build his stadium in 355 days.

Used to like that, no as guid as Grand Designs though.....just in case resident TV critic looking in. 😁

[islaydarkblue]

Used to like that, no as guid as Grand Designs though.....just in case resident TV critic looking in. ��

There are several posters on the DBF who do not think that there will any transport problems when the new stadium is built at Campy Nou.
They have a shock coming to them.
One poster stated that NCR used to employ 5,000 people and their employees had no problems getting to work walking across the Kingsway.
The correct figure was almost 10,000 people at its peak employed by NCR in Dundee and they worked in various factories on the industrial estate which is now called the Dunsinane Industrial Estate but it was previously called the Dryburgh Industrial Estate.
The NCR Camperdown factory was the first NCR factory in Dundee to be built and it probably had a workforce of about 1,000 people most of whom even up to the early 1960’s travelled to their work by foot or public transport.
Another poster stated that hundreds of people walked across the Kingsway to get to their work at Timex.
Back then the Kingsway was the bypass of Dundee with a single lane carriageway from the Camperdown roundabout to the Crematorium roundabout not the main trunk road from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Aberdeen with a dual carriageway and a barrier in the middle.
One poster stated that the new stadium development site is being built on brownfield land.
This is nonsense.
The new stadium development site is being built on the former NCR Camperdown playing fields which included football pitches, a cricket pitch, bowling green and tennis courts.
I have played bowls for Lochee Private Bowling Club against NCR Bowling Club on the the bowling green in the NCR Camperdown grounds and I have also played tennis on the tennis courts in the NCR Camperdown grounds.
Dundee Football Club first team players used to train on the football pitches in the NCR Camperdown grounds and I have watched them training when Archie Knox was the manager.
If the directors of Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited had ensured that former NCR playing fields had been properly maintained the area would not now look like a wilderness.
Another poster stated that people parked their cars around Dens Park on match days with no problems so there would no problem parking their cars in the streets of the housing schemes directly across the Kingsway from the new stadium.
This poster is obviously not aware of the new parking restrictions in the areas around Dens Park and Tannadice Park every time there is a league or cup match being played.
Interestingly none of the posters on the DBF mentioned the main transport problem which is the Myrekirk roundabout which has traffic lights on it.
All traffic travelling to the new stadium car parks at Campy Nou whether it is from the north, south, east or west has to negotiate the traffic lights at the Myrekirk roundabout to get to the new stadium car parks at Campy Nou.
Back in the 1960’s when hundreds of people were walking across the Kingsway to their work in Timex most Dundee FC supporters walked to home games at Dens Park or took public transport.
Nowadays the vast majority of Dundee FC supporters attending home games at Dens Park take their own car with few people walking to the game or using the Xplore Dundee buses to get there.
It will be worse with the new stadium at Campy Nou being built on the outskirts of Dundee.

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There are several posters on the DBF who do not think that there will any transport problems when the new stadium is built at Campy Nou.
They have a shock coming to them.
One poster stated that NCR used to employ 5,000 people and their employees had no problems getting to work walking across the Kingsway.
The correct figure was almost 10,000 people at its peak employed by NCR in Dundee and they worked in various factories on the industrial estate which is now called the Dunsinane Industrial Estate but it was previously called the Dryburgh Industrial Estate.
The NCR Camperdown factory was the first NCR factory in Dundee to be built and it probably had a workforce of about 1,000 people most of whom even up to the early 1960’s travelled to their work by foot or public transport.
Another poster stated that hundreds of people walked across the Kingsway to get to their work at Timex.
Back then the Kingsway was the bypass of Dundee with a single lane carriageway from the Camperdown roundabout to the Crematorium roundabout not the main trunk road from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Aberdeen with a dual carriageway and a barrier in the middle.
One poster stated that the new stadium development site is being built on brownfield land.
This is nonsense.
The new stadium development site is being built on the former NCR Camperdown playing fields which included football pitches, a cricket pitch, bowling green and tennis courts.
I have played bowls for Lochee Private Bowling Club against NCR Bowling Club on the the bowling green in the NCR Camperdown grounds and I have also played tennis on the tennis courts in the NCR Camperdown grounds.
Dundee Football Club first team players used to train on the football pitches in the NCR Camperdown grounds and I have watched them training when Archie Knox was the manager.
If the directors of Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited had ensured that former NCR playing fields had been properly maintained the area would not now look like a wilderness.
Another poster stated that people parked their cars around Dens Park on match days with no problems so there would no problem parking their cars in the streets of the housing schemes directly across the Kingsway from the new stadium.
This poster is obviously not aware of the new parking restrictions in the areas around Dens Park and Tannadice Park every time there is a league or cup match being played.
Interestingly none of the posters on the DBF mentioned the main transport problem which is the Myrekirk roundabout which has traffic lights on it.
All traffic travelling to the new stadium car parks at Campy Nou whether it is from the north, south, east or west has to negotiate the traffic lights at the Myrekirk roundabout to get to the new stadium car parks at Campy Nou.
Back in the 1960’s when hundreds of people were walking across the Kingsway to their work in Timex most Dundee FC supporters walked to home games at Dens Park or took public transport.
Nowadays the vast majority of Dundee FC supporters attending home games at Dens Park take their own car with few people walking to the game or using the Xplore Dundee buses to get there.
It will be worse with the new stadium at Campy Nou being built on the outskirts of Dundee.

How can you write such a long post yet make no valid point?

'It will be worse with the new stadium at Campy Nou being built on the outskirts of Dundee'. Please explain why, in your opinion, it will be worse, dying to read your ramblings.

[Returnofrros]

200 new houses just been approved for Western gateway.

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200 new houses just been approved for Western gateway.

How will the Myrekirk junction ever cope?

[Returnofrros]

How will the Myrekirk junction ever cope?

If you are giving approval for approx another 1000 cars in and out DAILY.....it's difficult to deny 2000 cars once a fortnight.

[Returnofrros]

Just another thought would it not be feasible to put traffic lights on Kingsway like they have between forfar Rd and old glamis.

No that I want to leave Dens but I'm gagging for council to approve just to see what Nelmsy will build.....if anything.

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Just another thought would it not be feasible to put traffic lights on Kingsway like they have between forfar Rd and old glamis.

No that I want to leave Dens but I'm gagging for council to approve just to see what Nelmsy will build.....if anything.

All that's needed is revised sequencing at Myrekirk and temporary traffic restrictions or, at a push, temporary traffic lights at the exit point. Might inconvenience the average traveler to the tune of five minutes, once a fortnight 10 months a year. Hardly an entire new housing estate worth of inconvenience.

I'm the same, I want to see it green lighted so we can get to the next delay.

[Dodbroon]

There are several posters on the DBF who do not think that there will any transport problems when the new stadium is built at Campy Nou.
They have a shock coming to them.
One poster stated that NCR used to employ 5,000 people and their employees had no problems getting to work walking across the Kingsway.
The correct figure was almost 10,000 people at its peak employed by NCR in Dundee and they worked in various factories on the industrial estate which is now called the Dunsinane Industrial Estate but it was previously called the Dryburgh Industrial Estate.
The NCR Camperdown factory was the first NCR factory in Dundee to be built and it probably had a workforce of about 1,000 people most of whom even up to the early 1960’s travelled to their work by foot or public transport.
Another poster stated that hundreds of people walked across the Kingsway to get to their work at Timex.
Back then the Kingsway was the bypass of Dundee with a single lane carriageway from the Camperdown roundabout to the Crematorium roundabout not the main trunk road from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Aberdeen with a dual carriageway and a barrier in the middle.
One poster stated that the new stadium development site is being built on brownfield land.
This is nonsense.
The new stadium development site is being built on the former NCR Camperdown playing fields which included football pitches, a cricket pitch, bowling green and tennis courts.
I have played bowls for Lochee Private Bowling Club against NCR Bowling Club on the the bowling green in the NCR Camperdown grounds and I have also played tennis on the tennis courts in the NCR Camperdown grounds.
Dundee Football Club first team players used to train on the football pitches in the NCR Camperdown grounds and I have watched them training when Archie Knox was the manager.
If the directors of Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited had ensured that former NCR playing fields had been properly maintained the area would not now look like a wilderness.
Another poster stated that people parked their cars around Dens Park on match days with no problems so there would no problem parking their cars in the streets of the housing schemes directly across the Kingsway from the new stadium.
This poster is obviously not aware of the new parking restrictions in the areas around Dens Park and Tannadice Park every time there is a league or cup match being played.
Interestingly none of the posters on the DBF mentioned the main transport problem which is the Myrekirk roundabout which has traffic lights on it.
All traffic travelling to the new stadium car parks at Campy Nou whether it is from the north, south, east or west has to negotiate the traffic lights at the Myrekirk roundabout to get to the new stadium car parks at Campy Nou.
Back in the 1960’s when hundreds of people were walking across the Kingsway to their work in Timex most Dundee FC supporters walked to home games at Dens Park or took public transport.
Nowadays the vast majority of Dundee FC supporters attending home games at Dens Park take their own car with few people walking to the game or using the Xplore Dundee buses to get there.
It will be worse with the new stadium at Campy Nou being built on the outskirts of Dundee.

I have read your lengthy take on the Camperdown Project and tbh don’t disagree with all you write. Like many Dees my heart is still with Dens but my head tends towards the new project. I also agree that eventual agreed planning permission does not automatically mean the place will be built however welcome it will be. I agree again like many that there are arguments on both sides pro and against Camperdown and that while there are a few on here that are 100% in favour and the majority are just wanting to know if it is to go ahead and mildly in favour but there are none so opposed as you Islay. Your opposition borders on an obsession and in some ways is bizarre in its intensity. Imo no true supporter of the club would be quite so negative and I reckon you let your hatred of JN cloud your judgement. Can you explain your campaign against Camperdown in any other way?

[Dodbroon]

Islay in your vastly superior knowledge of such planning matters can you explain just how much of a commercial/industrial site can be ‘green’ i e gardens, grass verges and incorporated sports areas and still considered brownfield. There must be some sort of proportional formula because surely say a modest grassy border around a factory would be an integral part of the said premises but if the factory and other buildings only take up less than say 50% of the land the answer would likely be different.

[islaydarkblue]

Islay in your vastly superior knowledge of such planning matters can you explain just how much of a commercial/industrial site can be ‘green’ i e gardens, grass verges and incorporated sports areas and still considered brownfield. There must be some sort of proportional formula because surely say a modest grassy border around a factory would be an integral part of the said premises but if the factory and other buildings only take up less than say 50% of the land the answer would likely be different.

I enclose details of examples of Brownfield sites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownfield_land
In my opinion the current Camperdown retail park where ice rink, cinema, Premier Inn hotel and various eating/take away establishments are situated was built on a Brownfield site as the current Camperdown retail park was built on the site of the former NCR Camperdown factory plus associated car parks.
The report by the Dundee Civic Trust states that the site of the new stadium development is not being built on a Brownfield site as it is being built on the former NCR Camperdown playing fields.
I do not know if you are aware that the NCR in Dundee was way ahead of its time with an excellent sports and social club and very well maintained playing fields beside the NCR Camperdown factory.

[islaydarkblue]

How can you write such a long post yet make no valid point?

'It will be worse with the new stadium at Campy Nou being built on the outskirts of Dundee'. Please explain why, in your opinion, it will be worse, dying to read your ramblings.

At present Dens Park is easily accessed by people travelling from all parts of Dundee and beyond by car.
There are several Xplore Dundee bus services with frequent buses which run close to Dens Park with at least one bud service immediately passing Dens Park.
The new stadium at Campy Nou is immediately adjacent to the A90 trunk road from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Aberdeen.
There is only one road into the stadium car parks and a separate road out onto a busy mini roundabout at the foot of Faraday Street (known locally as the Timex Brae) and the main road from Dundee to Coupar Angus known as the Coupar Angus Road.
I was present at a Dee4life board of directors meeting in late 2018 where the new stadium was discussed.
Bob Hynd told us that Police Scotland were insisting that everyone attending a game at the new stadium by car had to park it in the new stadium car parks.
Police Scotland did not want spectators parking their cars in the housing schemes across the A90 Kingsway from the new stadium development.
At that time the plans for the new stadium development showed 1,362 car parking spaces and 80 spaces for supporters buses.
Now the latest plans show from memory show 880 car parking spaces and 25 spaces for supporters buses.
After car spaces have been allocated for the various businesses and housing in the site plus Dundee FC staff, management and directors on match days it has been reported that there will only be about 330 car parking spaces left which will be allocated for away supporters.
I seem to remember the reduced number of car and bus spaces being stated at the second Pre Application Notice meeting in September 2022 with car parking spaces only being allocated for away supporters.
There is the added problem of only one underpass underneath the A90 Kingsway which is close to the top of Buttars Road and during the winter months it is often flooded.
There is a second underpass underneath the A90 which was installed close to the bus terminus at that time to let NCR employees working in the NCR Gourdie factory walk safely to and from their work.
This underpass is close to the Aldi supermarket on the site of the former NCR Gourdie factory which was also a brownfield site when Asda built their new large superstore.
I remember seeing a photograph taken by a Dundee FC supporter almost two years ago which showed the narrow underpass close to the top of Buttars Road and the main safe access route to the new stadium development being flooded. The photograph was published on internet and social media forums
This underpass was installed many years ago to allow people to walk to the cinema in the current Camperdown retail park not for hundreds if not thousands of Dundee FC supporters leaving at the end of a game and walking back to their cars which could be parked as far away as Charleston Drive because the streets of the Dryburgh and Camperdown housing schemes are only for local residents to park their cars when League and cup games are being played in the new stadium at Campy Nou.
This would be a similar exclusion zone to what is currently in force around Dens Park and Tannadice Park every time there is a league or cup game taking place.

[islaydarkblue]

I have read your lengthy take on the Camperdown Project and tbh don’t disagree with all you write. Like many Dees my heart is still with Dens but my head tends towards the new project. I also agree that eventual agreed planning permission does not automatically mean the place will be built however welcome it will be. I agree again like many that there are arguments on both sides pro and against Camperdown and that while there are a few on here that are 100% in favour and the majority are just wanting to know if it is to go ahead and mildly in favour but there are none so opposed as you Islay. Your opposition borders on an obsession and in some ways is bizarre in its intensity. Imo no true supporter of the club would be quite so negative and I reckon you let your hatred of JN cloud your judgement. Can you explain your campaign against Camperdown in any other way?

I have been totally against the new stadium being built on the site of the former NCR Camperdown playing fields from day one.
Unlike a lot Dundee FC supporters I believe in stating my views and not waiting until there is traffic chaos before and after the first league game at the new stadium with the same Dundee FC supporters then stating this is a disaster and we should have done something about it before it was too late.
I have previously posted my detailed reasons why I am totally against the new stadium being built on the site of the former NCR Camperdown playing fields.
You should remember that the Yanks stated when they acquired a majority shareholding in Dundee Football Club Limited that they would buy back Dens Park for the Dundee FC supporters who could repay over a period of time.
I bitterly regret voting in favour of FPS acquiring a majority shareholding in Dundee Football Club Limited in August 2013.

[eric_sinclair]

Dens is not fit for purpose,the 2 older stands are almost a health hazard so we have 2 choices,major refurb of dens or move to a new stadium.
Our owners are trying to move,it looks like they have invested cash to make it happen.
The fans are sceptical due to not much happening in the years since it was planned.I prefer dens but think if the club are to move forward and try and get some new or returning fans a new ground would probably be more beneficial.