Celtic away 10/01

[North_Coast_Arab]

Our fans are in usual hysteria mode, we had jist gone 5 unbeaten before last week

We are allowed an average season too without having to replace managers, it's always going to happen, this one looking like it might be average cup run permitting, this is a very standard second season back in the top flight after over achieving in the first one

We will always have ups and downs, Moyes at Everton is a great example his first stint, good season average season, good season average season, followed by a few good seasons in a row because he was able to build over time

Just like wee Jim, who btw took a few years to get us punching, and btw lost derbies at Tannadice and lots of games to Rangers who were relatively average at the time

We've never had a losing run like Stephen Robinson teams get each season under JG, very up and down his teams, they go on losing runs and winning runs, our fans wouldn't stand for the type of losing runs he goes on each season

Absolutely no point changing manager unless you find something like that Askou at Motherwell and even then they are on less pts than Goodwins Utd were last season

If we change we'll just be in the same situation or worse in a years time (but add instability to the club at a time when we've started to find it on and off the field after ten years), that's been our problem, we need a run of 5 or so years with one person at the reigns through good and bad (relegation not acceptable of course)

Keep the heads, no short term thinking

St Mirren may go on losing runs but they are usually good to watch and have a go. Losing 4-0 to Celtic isn't a rarity and I'll get over It. Not having a go at them and lesser teams (In the first half especially) makes me question what I'm watching. We were very lucky the last game against Wilfried Nancy's Celtic. As we could and probably should have been down 4-0 at HT.
I grew up watching Counter attacking teams under JM. Sitting back and still getting beat Is pathetic. We didn't react at all when we had a S*** keeper a few seasons ago and got relegated. Not saying we are anywhere near that bad but we should be higher up the league. We have an ok squad and should be having a go. Blame lies in one location I'm afraid.

[Handsup]

Our fans are in usual hysteria mode, we had jist gone 5 unbeaten before last week

We are allowed an average season too without having to replace managers, it's always going to happen, this one looking like it might be average cup run permitting, this is a very standard second season back in the top flight after over achieving in the first one

We will always have ups and downs, Moyes at Everton is a great example his first stint, good season average season, good season average season, followed by a few good seasons in a row because he was able to build over time

Just like wee Jim, who btw took a few years to get us punching, and btw lost derbies at Tannadice and lots of games to Rangers who were relatively average at the time

We've never had a losing run like Stephen Robinson teams get each season under JG, very up and down his teams, they go on losing runs and winning runs, our fans wouldn't stand for the type of losing runs he goes on each season

Absolutely no point changing manager unless you find something like that Askou at Motherwell and even then they are on less pts than Goodwins Utd were last season

If we change we'll just be in the same situation or worse in a years time (but add instability to the club at a time when we've started to find it on and off the field after ten years), that's been our problem, we need a run of 5 or so years with one person at the reigns through good and bad (relegation not acceptable of course)

Keep the heads, no short term thinking

Agree with this, but understand how travelling fans who are spending hard earned money at this time of year are running out of patience.

This is the 3rd team JG has built and it took real bravery to make the wholesale changes he did this season. Youngest squad in the division with 17 different nationalities, they look very good in spells, bloody awful in others! JG absolutely deserves the chance to get this right. My understanding is he has cut the losses at the club significantly whilst still avoiding the relegation battle, and we have a chance of top 6 and a cup run. Disappointing to have another insipid performance after last week, but half that team have never played at Celtic Park, and it was a gala day for them was always gonna be tough. Let?s remember how many seasons we have spent in the 2nd tier recently, a mediocre season is better than gassing 11 managers in as many seasons and racking up millions of loses in tier 2, which is where we were when JG arrived. He is not above criticism, but not is he sackable yet!

The low return in terms of wins between now and May might change that equation, but for now, bring in a few in January and let?s wait and see.

[Arabdownsouth]

Come on now, we were easily beat by Celtic away. How many times have we had to watch that? Even when we beat them a few weeks ago we could have been 4 down in the first half. This kind of pish can happen there. I'm in no way saying we should accept this but it's just the reality of the situation.

I'd just rather lose trying than whatever that was supposed to be

[JamesMcClean]

Tell you what - any phuck ups next week in the Cup and the knives willbe getting drawn alright with a fair wedge of the support……………….

[BackOvTheShed]

I'd just rather lose trying than whatever that was supposed to be

Yep this for me. I don?t think he should go- continuity is better than dipping back in to the managerial merry go round.

But the lack of any sort of fight today is soul destroying. No pressure on the ball, just watching Celtic pass around us. Thats unacceptable as a fan.

[TerryTheTerror]

I'd just rather lose trying than whatever that was supposed to be

You get what I'm saying though? Umpteen United managers have tried and failed at Celtic Park (usually getting a pumping). What happened today was as predictable as it comes so to round in JG in this way makes no sense at all.

[Whitfieldarab]

You get what I'm saying though? Umpteen United managers have tried and failed at Celtic Park (usually getting a pumping). What happened today was as predictable as it comes so to round in JG in this way makes no sense at all.

Ye,was there today and it just felt like i was watching a rerun of the last 30 years. It just felt inevitable. Celtic throttled us from the start and never really let up on us really until the 4th goal went in and id blame the goalie for the 3rd goal(why doesnt he ever just save it out for a corner?) but apart from that he did ok. Camara again was a waste of a strip and doesn't look match fit and we had very little going forward as no one could get up to help the forwards as we were so deep.

3 home games in a row coming up and 4 out of 5 at home too so this for me will be a major indication if JG is up to the challenge.

[JUSTaway]

Imagine you have been at every one of those last 51 Celtic v Utd games? How much money you must have spent. Couple of decent draws and performances, alongside some late heartache, but largely abject displays. You could have gone round the world about twice with all that money spent.

[LSArab]

It was bad timing with O?Neill and his team coming in

When the Old Firm perform well like today other spl teams are not going to be stopping them

I am actually grateful for the stability JG has brought. I?d like us to get a few seasons in the premier league and feel he will always bring us that

His strengths are in recruiting, organising and motivating.

I don?t say he is perfect, far from it but I would like JG to get time to build

Short term periods of changing the manager has got us nowhere

Levein was often quite long ball in his approach and I didn?t mind at all

Big games coming up

[JamesMcClean]

It was bad timing with O?Neill and his team coming in

When the Old Firm perform well like today other spl teams are not going to be stopping them

I am actually grateful for the stability JG has brought. I?d like us to get a few seasons in the premier league and feel he will always bring us that

His strengths are in recruiting, organising and motivating.

I don?t say he is perfect, far from it but I would like JG to get time to build

Short term periods of changing the manager has got us nowhere

Levein was often quite long ball in his approach and I didn?t mind at all

Big games coming up

Peter Houston took over from Sir Craig, released the shackles with exactly the same team and then took us to another level.

I am not for unloading Goodwin currently however I do feel like we are getting more negative week on week for which he carries some similarities with Sir Craig who also by nature was very much a ‘cautious’ manager. This despite the fact we had allegedly recruited a squad to make us the exact opposite. I want Goodwin to succeed. I want Goodwin to bring us stability. I want Goodwin to bring us success. However, if he doesn’t start to look at a more positive approach then he’s inevitably going to be under pressure. Next week against Ayr United, there should be zero excuses. That absolutely should be a comfortable home win by at least a couple of goals. If that doesn’t come to pass JG is going to start to come under pressure because make no mistake I suspect the natives are starting to grumble……….

[geofoxposse]

From the kick off everyone physically retreated to the penalty box, the tactic was clear as day and JG bottled it and dragged the squad down as well.

Can you imagine the negative mental messages going to a squad of players who are drilled into nothing but defense all week!!!!! and told they dont want to be pumped. If an early goal had gone in against the sellick then they would have panicked.

Even their keeper was near the halfway line and noone tried to shoot over him......

[weegiearab]

Celtic were poor when O'Neil was in the dugout a couple of months ago. The players they have are miles better than what we have....but we shouldn't be fearing them! They will come flying at us...trying to kick start their season. They have a point to prove and all the pressure is on them. We can cause them problems though and if we can get in about them...we could easily unsettle them. Unfortunately, I think that our entire management will assume that they have become amazing overnight and will try to park the bus....which would be fine if we had a bus instead of a Robin Reliant. As usual with United..expecting the worst but hoping for the best!
Heart says- 2-1 United
Brain says 6-0 Celtic and we are a defeat to Ayr away from a sacking!

A sadly predictable outcome. The lack of signings, the lack of positivity and the lack of belief, builds a workplace where its OK to be average and take no risks. We are settling for survival in the league and that mindset will rip through our club like a cancer. We are 100% not safe from relegation...we are 100% not too good to be relegated....we are 100% letting our fans down with our performances. The pressure on us to get a result next weekend is massive and I am not sure that we perform well when there is pressure on us. If we try and sneak a 1-0 win as usual...then I think we really run the risk of losing. We need a player or 2 in to freshen things up or we need a complete turnaround in tactics and training this week.

[TerryTheTerror]

Peter Houston took over from Sir Craig, released the shackles with exactly the same team and then took us to another level.

I am not for unloading Goodwin currently however I do feel like we are getting more negative week on week for which he carries some similarities with Sir Craig who also by nature was very much a ‘cautious’ manager. This despite the fact we had allegedly recruited a squad to make us the exact opposite. I want Goodwin to succeed. I want Goodwin to bring us stability. I want Goodwin to bring us success. However, if he doesn’t start to look at a more positive approach then he’s inevitably going to be under pressure. Next week against Ayr United, there should be zero excuses. That absolutely should be a comfortable home win by at least a couple of goals. If that doesn’t come to pass JG is going to start to come under pressure because make no mistake I suspect the natives are starting to grumble……….

I'm sure the squad was assembled to make us more attacking but conceding 2 goals a game has forced JG into putting a team out that defends more...

[Arabs4ever]

A sadly predictable outcome. The lack of signings, the lack of positivity and the lack of belief, builds a workplace where its OK to be average and take no risks. We are settling for survival in the league and that mindset will rip through our club like a cancer. We are 100% not safe from relegation...we are 100% not too good to be relegated....we are 100% letting our fans down with our performances. The pressure on us to get a result next weekend is massive and I am not sure that we perform well when there is pressure on us. If we try and sneak a 1-0 win as usual...then I think we really run the risk of losing. We need a player or 2 in to freshen things up or we need a complete turnaround in tactics and training this week.

How about Goodwin plays players that are match fit? Yesterday and the derby he put Camara in. A good player on his day when fit. Anyone watching him unknown to his own fans must think we are drooling over sh!te. Same with Nammo. Great against Livingston but back in when not fit by the looks of it. Could say the same about Sevelj being on the bench against Dundee. Phuck sakes I think if you have youngsters that are fit they should be getting on the bench or starts. If you are good enough you are old enough.

Eskesen played a delightful ball through for Traps but he didn't catch on to what was happening before it was away from him. However Eskesen is a central midfielder why was he not utilised when Camara is not fit?

How I wish Scottish football would just bring back the reserve league, no phucking about bring it back with no age restriction crap and allow you to play trialists as well, simple.

As for the Scottish Cup run I heard that Huw Edwards doing a cover of Tom Jones & Mousse T *** Bomb is more likely than United having a run in the competition.

[arab777]

I'm sure the squad was assembled to make us more attacking but conceding 2 goals a game has forced JG into putting a team out that defends more...

The goals we were conceding early on where mainly errors not because we were playing attacking football especially at corners and our departed goalie had a mare at Easter Road. What it do was make JG more cautious and we ended up with the worst of both worlds less creativity going forward and mistakes still happening at the back.