Hibs game

[JUSTaway]

Harding will get stick for their 2nd,having just seen it on Sky its the keepers ball before it gets anywhere near Harding.Its 3 yards from the goal line and their are no Hibs players blocking him.They are saying its a great delivery but its almost straight at the keeper who is rooted to the spot.

As least kurchenko would have come out for for it punched it into the net! 😂

[bannon_ftd_83]

Needless stupid fouls and a fragile defence. Saw it coming. Gutted.

[weegiearab]

We knew going into the transfer window that we needed a CB and a striker. We got neither. If JG is going to insist on playing this formation then he needs to get the players to play it. Why we didn't must be either because JG thinks what we have is fine....in which case...he may have some sort of brain injury or, and I think this is the likeliest answer...Ogren only wants players that have been spotted on potential with a resale value because he is desperately trying to get back his money. JG is being asked to just try and keep us a premier league team and norhing more. If we are in the process of putting the owners finances ahead of the product on the park....then we have seen this movie before. We are being asked to accept mediocrity and under performance . I have never felt so far removed from this club as I am just now. There is no leadership on the park, the manager appears to have lost the dressing room , the fans are switching off and our owner hasn't got the first f4cking clue about Scottish football. I'm getting close to hoping that Spartans beat us so this sh1t show can finally come to an end.

[weegiearab]

Can tell me what his instructions were to Dolcek when he brought him on? I want to know if it was positive instructions or negative...that will help with who to point the finger at!

[Stoke_Arab]

We knew going into the transfer window that we needed a CB and a striker. We got neither. If JG is going to insist on playing this formation then he needs to get the players to play it. Why we didn't must be either because JG thinks what we have is fine....in which case...he may have some sort of brain injury or, and I think this is the likeliest answer...Ogren only wants players that have been spotted on potential with a resale value because he is desperately trying to get back his money. JG is being asked to just try and keep us a premier league team and norhing more. If we are in the process of putting the owners finances ahead of the product on the park....then we have seen this movie before. We are being asked to accept mediocrity and under performance . I have never felt so far removed from this club as I am just now. There is no leadership on the park, the manager appears to have lost the dressing room , the fans are switching off and our owner hasn't got the first f4cking clue about Scottish football. I'm getting close to hoping that Spartans beat us so this sh1t show can finally come to an end.

If we had a coach that had us playing decent football, winning matches and challenging for Top 6, or in the Top 6, I don't think ANYBODY is posting all this negative stuff about Ogren.
It's a red herring, it's a bandwagon that's gathering pace across forums.
When we were qualified for Europe and playing Rapid Vienna NO-ONE was posting anti Ogren ****e, not even that Derry Jungle guy. Not a soul.
Now we can't win a football match it's suddenly Mark Ogrens fault?

We have a lot of very decent players.
It's the managers job to coach them into a cohesive unit, to develop a playing style, to MOTIVATE the players, to get the best out of the players. He's not coaching these players because if he was you would see a definite style, he's not doing any of the above.

The coaching staff need emptied at the end of the season, and sorry Davie Bowman you are a f ucking legend but that means you too. A complete coaching staff clear out.

[Whitfieldarab]

There's no doubting that our win ratio/form/goals conceded are a major worry and are grounds for sacking the manager but the way our previous goalies and previously and presently selected defenders are gifting goals are throwing him under a bus. Ive never seen such sloppiness and bad defending ever in all my years watching Utd and it doesn't seem to matter what combination he tries they all seem to be failing.

.....lets be honest here though that was 5 bad defensive goals conceded last night. What ever happened to the art of a goal from open play as well? Set piece goals are becoming ***** in the modern game so we obviously have to move with the times and lwarn how to defend them better.

[Arabknight]

Totally numb after last night. Cldnt bring myself to even talk about it on the journey home.

Ironically I didn?t think we play that bad last night. We competed and deserved to get something from the game.

I thought SCH played well last night. He cldnt do anything about the first and the 2nd I?m sure he tried to clear it with his left but I thought the keeper should have done better.

At 2-1 I thought we were the better team looked comfortable and never thought we looked like we wld conceded.

That said we repeatedly made stupid and needlessly mistakes and gave the ball away too easily throughout the game. Zak kertz and sibbald imo were the main culprits. Moller gave us nothing no idea why dolcek came on waist of a shirt.

Their 3rd goal was criminal. Defence should have done better but it?s the story of our season. When our backs are against the wall we crumble. The team has no resilience That weak mentality will continue to cost us this season and that is on the coaching staff and those who have assembled this team. No doubt JG will allude to the fact that we have on average the youngest team in the prem and this in part is the reason for this but who fault is that!

[bannon_ftd_83]

On a positive note I thought Nammo played well. Trapanovski was a threat all night(I think them playing with wing backs helped this) and Farrugia looks like a footballer, some nice touches from him, not many footballers in this team. I think its clear we need to move to a different formation. 4231 would be my preferred choice. A back 4 where everybody knows their job and 2 players sitting in front. One of them Camara, with a licence to get forward a bit more than say Sevelj next to him. Farrugia looks like he could play in a 10. Sibald could also, probably even get something out of Stirton in that postion too. All three would bring somwthing different. Could Iovu do a job as a centre back? Or we just stick with SCH and Graham. Something needs to change for sure or Goodwin and Unuted are in trouble

[NOSCOTCAPS]

First and foremost credit and gratitude to all those fans that travelled yesterday, and I expect most are feeling as Arabknight is in his above post.

JG syas he wont throw players under the bus, but has effectively done so by his comments in The Courier. I don't blame him, but most people would turn round and try and prove him wrong, they just don't seem to be. Therefore imo those guilty have either had their heads turned by potential transfer talk and/or are just sick to death of the same old tactics. Interestingly Hibs line up the same way.

We have some very decent players that have shown fleeting glimpses of capability and equal to most opposing teams. Something is wrong and i think we are getting shades of Wilfred Nancy here. Good team but just don't want play for the manager and/or not comfortable with the tactical set up.

Only saw the highlights, but an 'on fire' Sapsford would likely have put those chances away. Defensively not enough leadership and sorry RG but it has to go to someone else, so you can concentrate on getting back to what was your best. Who I don't know.

I am not calling for JGs head but there has to come a time when his position is untenable, but there is dual responsibility and people need to hold their hands up and either have frank discussion or we continue as we are for a while. As Shedka says this is not the worst of times we ever had, but the frustration and anger is growing, i think seen by seemingly poor sales for the Spartans game.

Ultimately the fans suffer and they dont want to. As the great Jim McClean says the fans need to be entertained. But not to a comedy/tragedy show, its turning out be. Dundee United do not deserve this!

[Arabdownsouth]

First and foremost credit and gratitude to all those fans that travelled yesterday, and I expect most are feeling as Arabknight is in his above post.

JG syas he wont throw players under the bus, but has effectively done so by his comments in The Courier. I don't blame him, but most people would turn round and try and prove him wrong, they just don't seem to be. Therefore imo those guilty have either had their heads turned by potential transfer talk and/or are just sick to death of the same old tactics. Interestingly Hibs line up the same way.

We have some very decent players that have shown fleeting glimpses of capability and equal to most opposing teams. Something is wrong and i think we are getting shades of Wilfred Nancy here. Good team but just don't want play for the manager and/or not comfortable with the tactical set up.

Only saw the highlights, but an 'on fire' Sapsford would likely have put those chances away. Defensively not enough leadership and sorry RG but it has to go to someone else, so you can concentrate on getting back to what was your best. Who I don't know.

I am not calling for JGs head but there has to come a time when his position is untenable, but there is dual responsibility and people need to hold their hands up and either have frank discussion or we continue as we are for a while. As Shedka says this is not the worst of times we ever had, but the frustration and anger is growing, i think seen by seemingly poor sales for the Spartans game.

Ultimately the fans suffer and they dont want to. As the great Jim McClean says the fans need to be entertained. But not to a comedy/tragedy show, its turning out be. Dundee United do not deserve this!

Good post

[JUSTaway]

Whilst I get the arguments about formations, the two goals were from not defending set plays, formations irrelevant to set plays. We just have a rank set of defenders, who we are stuck with now to the end of the season. Maybe sjvel can come in to play the right hand side if you play a three. Clel Harding might benefit from a spell on loan in championships to develop. Get in a decent centre who half who can organise and might bring up the standard of those he is playing with. I'd get rid of lovu, esselink, there might be a player in the Hungarian lad, he can pass and has a bit of skill, I know iw people have suggested midfield, but he switches off at centre half.

I was wondering what Goodwin would say last night, difficult one to negotiate, the fans are angry, but you essentially slate the players you are stuck with doesn't help or change fact they can't defend, and you are going to need them to get to end of season.

Serious trouble if Killie start to win games.

[arab777]

Not going to be overcrtical about last night. It was a fairly decent performance spoiled by poor defending at set pieces. Unlike many of our games we weren't negative or lethargic. It was more reminiscent of earlier in season performances. If we can cut out the poor defending and maintain the level of performance I don't see us getting dragged in to a relegation fight.

[bannon_ftd_83]

I was there and I thought we were lethargic first half. Sibald and Stephenson anonymous. I thought hibs passed it around us and between the lines far too easy. We were a mess midfield and defence. They had plenty of the ball in and around our box and we looked like we didn't have a clue how to dedend as a unit.

[NOSCOTCAPS]

Good post

Thank you

[Arabdownsouth]

Thank you

No worries bud