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[Stoke_Arab]

Here's Collum discussing the VAR decisions.
You can hear the audio commentary on Dalby's goal in the VAR room from 4:40 on the video

https://youtu.be/nxVKVzcBqGg?si=axKtUfOcc2borBkW

[Arabdownsouth]

Here's Collum discussing the VAR decisions.
You can hear the audio commentary on Dalby's goal in the VAR room from 4:40 on the video

https://youtu.be/nxVKVzcBqGg?si=axKtUfOcc2borBkW

He's a f*cking cheat,pure and simple. At no point in that video is there any suggestion the ball hit Dalby's hand or arm. Even if there was ( which there categorically wasn't ) what happened to it not being handball if it was off the head first and totally involuntary?

[arab777]

He's a f*cking cheat,pure and simple. At no point in that video is there any suggestion the ball hit Dalby's hand or arm. Even if there was ( which there categorically wasn't ) what happened to it not being handball if it was off the head first and totally involuntary?

It was a double whammy of decisions for us as the Maeda chopped of goal against Hibs handed at least 2 more points for Hibs in their battle with us for top 4. Listening to Alan Muir audio on that one he sounded really desperate to say the ball was out to the point almost badgering the AVAR in to agreeing with him when it was clear they were skeptical.

[GUNBOAT]

The VAR guy is convinced that Dalby's header hits something and the ball deviates from its normal course of travel.There is a Hibs player challenging Dalby but never once does the VAR suggest it may have deflected off of said player before ending up in the net.Its an absolute disgrace of a decision which could cost the club millions in revenue from euro games till at least Christmas.

He should have been stood down for months but instead he is the man in the middle a few days later.VAR is supposed to be there to stop injustice not to create it.

[Yeats 62]

The VAR guy is convinced that Dalby's header hits something and the ball deviates from its normal course of travel.There is a Hibs player challenging Dalby but never once does the VAR suggest it may have deflected off of said player before ending up in the net.Its an absolute disgrace of a decision which could cost the club millions in revenue from euro games till at least Christmas.

He should have been stood down for months but instead he is the man in the middle a few days later.VAR is supposed to be there to stop injustice not to create it.

Now... I have no idea what the rules are now, they keep getting changed.

But............ even if the ball glanced off his hand as it bulleted it's way into the net with the defender and keeper helpless, would that glance have changed the outcome??? (would it fcuk) And if it didn't go in would it just end up a "clear and obvious" goal kick?

So......... If one of the old firm players have a decent strike from outside the box and it goes in, albeit glancing an opponents hand in the box, does VAR change that decision and award them a penalty??? (would it fcuk)

I know it's not the same thing, but, I'm concerned that things are being changed to suit whatever the circumstances are.

#binvarasapnohappenin'

[cybershed]

But it didn't hit his hand and I can see no clip that suggests it may have.

Dalby was denied a clear goal and that 'official' should not be included in a refereeing team or on VAR duties until he has been through some kind of remedial training.

But the fact remains that we were done out of at least 1 point in that game, and probably 3 points.

There is nothing that we can do about it now; except let the squad know they were cheated and get them to channel their frustration in a positive way for the remainder of the season.

A few people have proposed the we have a 60 second time limit on VAR checks, and that is a sensible change to the use of VAR that I think the clubs and supporters would and should be pushing for before the start of next season.

[TerryTheTerror]

The worst thing for me about VAR, at all levels (but particularly in Scotland), is that they are looking for excuses to disallow goals every time one is scored. It makes going to a match a terrible experience for the fans in the ground and shows zero consideration is being given to those paying a lot of money to do so.

[GUNBOAT]

The worst thing for me about VAR, at all levels (but particularly in Scotland), is that they are looking for excuses to disallow goals every time one is scored. It makes going to a match a terrible experience for the fans in the ground and shows zero consideration is being given to those paying a lot of money to do so.

Brilliant post Terence,sum's it up in a nutshell.

[GUNBOAT]

Now... I have no idea what the rules are now, they keep getting changed.

But............ even if the ball glanced off his hand as it bulleted it's way into the net with the defender and keeper helpless, would that glance have changed the outcome??? (would it fcuk) And if it didn't go in would it just end up a "clear and obvious" goal kick?

So......... If one of the old firm players have a decent strike from outside the box and it goes in, albeit glancing an opponents hand in the box, does VAR change that decision and award them a penalty??? (would it fcuk)

I know it's not the same thing, but, I'm concerned that things are being changed to suit whatever the circumstances are.

#binvarasapnohappenin'

The rules regarding handball with strikers and defenders are different.If during the art of scoring the ball hits any of the strikers in the hand or arm the 'goal' is chalked off regardless of hitting any other body part first.If for example a striker heads the ball onto his arm and then he or a team mate scores its disallowed.If a defender does the same its supposed to be deemed accidental and no penalty is awarded.

There are different rules in Scotland if you play for Dundee United though.......

When a Funster defender with an outstretched arm handles a cross coming into his box VAR does not get involved therefore no penalty.

When a United defender does the same albeit heads the ball onto his arm VAR does get involved and awards a penalty even though the on field official awarded a corner.

When a ST Mirren attacker takes a dive in United's box and the conned ref awards a penalty VAR decides its not a clear and obvious mistake and put the kettle on rather than get involved.

When Scotland's top scorer adds to his tally and puts United 2-1 up in a crucial game,VAR decides to overturn the on field decision to award the goal due to not being able to deem him offside and sees a handball to make up for his failure to draw the lines,FACT.

[JamesMcClean]

Just seen Motherwell’s VAR prompted red card from yesterday there. OYF - farcical doesn’t begin to describe it……………….

[Arabdownsouth]

Just seen Motherwell’s VAR prompted red card from yesterday there. OYF - farcical doesn’t begin to describe it……………….

Very similar to the Ryan Edwards red card in my opinion, still don't see anything wrong in that one either.

That cheating c*nt Macdermid still with a whistle in his pocket I see 🤬

[JamesMcClean]

.That cheating c*nt Macdermid still with a whistle in his pocket I see ��

Yeh, just seen that he was the on field Ref yesterday rather than on VAR. He even sent off a second Motherwell player in the second half which was an absolute joke until (for once correctly) the VAR Ref advised to overturn it. As things stand, his VAR decisions against Hibs will directly cost us third place and guaranteed European group stage football with the massive financial bonus it would entail.It’s corruption, 100%.

[TerryTheTerror]

Yeh, just seen that he was the on field Ref yesterday rather than on VAR. He even sent off a second Motherwell player in the second half which was an absolute joke until (for once correctly) the VAR Ref advised to overturn it. As things stand, his VAR decisions against Hibs will directly cost us third place and guaranteed European group stage football with the massive financial bonus it would entail.It’s corruption, 100%.

You all know my opinion on VAR, it's an utter waste, especially here in Scotland. However, there have been plenty of poor performances/results by us that have affected our potential push for European football, not just that one moment by VAR.

[Arabdownsouth]

3rd place in our first season back up is probably too much to expect tbh. We've had a great season regardless. Perhaps if we hadn't lost key players for long periods we might have accumulated a few more points, and definitely we have been robbed of a few more points by some shocking decisions and blatant cheating. Hibs though are on an incredible run of form and probably deserve to be where they are ( shame they didn't panic and bin their manager really). A win today though will keep us right in the mix so fingers crossed for a strong performance 🤞

[TerryTheTerror]

3rd place in our first season back up is probably too much to expect tbh. We've had a great season regardless. Perhaps if we hadn't lost key players for long periods we might have accumulated a few more points, and definitely we have been robbed of a few more points by some shocking decisions and blatant cheating. Hibs though are on an incredible run of form and probably deserve to be where they are ( shame they didn't panic and bin their manager really). A win today though will keep us right in the mix so fingers crossed for a strong performance 🤞

Yeah, that's a good post mate.