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[spaldy]

I really don't understand this appointment as head ref for the Palace game.

He was substandard in his last Leeds game ( missed a clear penalty on Strujik) and he's dodgy when he's on his best game.

With the money that flows through this league and the number paying customers that will be at ER I can't believe they couldn't find someone that at least hasn't failed with one of our games already. I just can't believe the prem can't find better officials than someone like him. We know that every 50/50 call will go against us.


I've ranted before about how bad some of the officials are and this is a perfect example of a coach being given "3 strikes" to use during the season on officials. This is such a huge game to Leeds at home and to have have an incompetent official that obviously has a bias against Leeds as well as being substandard it would be one that Leeds would use one their strikes.

Frankly, it's really questionable why any Sheffield born official would ever be handed a Leeds game. Plenty of other officials to choose from

[WTF11]

I really don't understand this appointment as head ref for the Palace game.

He was substandard in his last Leeds game ( missed a clear penalty on Strujik) and he's dodgy when he's on his best game.

With the money that flows through this league and the number paying customers that will be at ER I can't believe they couldn't find someone that at least hasn't failed with one of our games already. I just can't believe the prem can't find better officials than someone like him. We know that every 50/50 call will go against us.


I've ranted before about how bad some of the officials are and this is a perfect example of a coach being given "3 strikes" to use during the season on officials. This is such a huge game to Leeds at home and to have have an incompetent official that obviously has a bias against Leeds as well as being substandard it would be one that Leeds would use one their strikes.

Frankly, it's really questionable why any Sheffield born official would ever be handed a Leeds game. Plenty of other officials to choose from

Wtf?

Match officials are appointed by the powers that be. EVERY club and their supporters could complain and whinge about who officiated a particular match, but it seems to me that Leeds are pre-eminent in voicing their concerns that the world is against them and the footballing authorities conspire to make LUFC life difficult.

Get over it. Perform in such a manner that officials are an irrelevance, deny them the opportunity to "interfere" ( should they be minded to do so), show the rest of the footballing community (on and off the field), that you don't care because you are better, end of. Stop whining.

[ozleeds]

I really don't understand this appointment as head ref for the Palace game.

He was substandard in his last Leeds game ( missed a clear penalty on Strujik) and he's dodgy when he's on his best game.

With the money that flows through this league and the number paying customers that will be at ER I can't believe they couldn't find someone that at least hasn't failed with one of our games already. I just can't believe the prem can't find better officials than someone like him. We know that every 50/50 call will go against us.


I've ranted before about how bad some of the officials are and this is a perfect example of a coach being given "3 strikes" to use during the season on officials. This is such a huge game to Leeds at home and to have have an incompetent official that obviously has a bias against Leeds as well as being substandard it would be one that Leeds would use one their strikes.

Frankly, it's really questionable why any Sheffield born official would ever be handed a Leeds game. Plenty of other officials to choose from

It's called corruption.

[spaldy]

Outstanding depth and thought given to your answer.

A minimum of $109,000,000 up to $179,000,000 in revenue sharing to each team last year and it's all hunky dory that some biased, incompetent or just substandard ref is fine and to just stop whining about it.

Even more thought given to the fact that all humans have bias with the exception of prem league officials who's professionalism overides their visceral dislike of a city/team that their family and them hated growing up.

No reason to consider any changes or allowing teams to use up a strike or three on an official at some point during the season.

Oz's 3 word answer is much more correct than your personal pontification on manning up and stop whining.

[WTF11]

Outstanding depth and thought given to your answer.

A minimum of $109,000,000 up to $179,000,000 in revenue sharing to each team last year and it's all hunky dory that some biased, incompetent or just substandard ref is fine and to just stop whining about it.

Even more thought given to the fact that all humans have bias with the exception of prem league officials who's professionalism overides their visceral dislike of a city/team that their family and them hated growing up.

No reason to consider any changes or allowing teams to use up a strike or three on an official at some point during the season.

Oz's 3 word answer is much more correct than your personal pontification on manning up and stop whining.

The depth and thought were there, just couldn't be ar5ed to spell it out, but here it is......

And what pray tell is your whining, or that of the myriad others both here and on other forums, going to achieve? The square root of f**k all.

In the post above you make the assumption that everyone born in Sheffield hates Leeds. Why? And for the record, as someone born just north of Leeds in a place called Horsforth, but with blood relatives born in Sheffield, I can state categorically that you are wrong, they don't.

And the corruption allegation?

So amongst all the teams in the EFL and the PL, Leeds United are the only team to suffer (and we have!) from incompetent and sometimes biased refs? Do me a favour, extract head from ar5e and get real. There will be, and always has been, mistakes made by those with lesser competence. There will be, and always has been, a degree of pieces of silver crossing palms. And?

Whine about it if it makes you feel better, but it will achieve nothing. It hasn't in the past and when you consider that we thought things might improve once Blatter was out of the way and footballing authorities were taken to task, and now look how Infantino is going, it won't in the future. Save your energy and stop whining.

And when I suggested we make the officials irrelevant by our performance, I wasn't suggesting we would win every match, but that we perform so as to excise officialdom from what WE do, We don't commit niggling "professional" fouls, we don't play for them either, we stop the "rugby scrum" tactics so often seen in the box when we get a corner (which never seem to work anyway!). We keep on our feet when the practice nowadays is fall over in a heap at the merest touch, we don't time-waste, we don't steal yards at throw-ins or when we get a free kick, we don't argue with officials, no matter how ridiculous their decisions, because they won't change them!

It won't stop us being "targetted" but it will show both the authorities and all those who watch us play that we don't need to play like the others do, no matter what the officials do.

[spaldy]

Actually, my thread has little to do with Leeds itself and more to do with why the league doesn't implement a rather simple and rather effective mode of protecting against the most blatant offenders.

it's common sense to not have refs officiate teams that come from natural and intense rivalries if they grew up in the UK. The blades and Leeds are well known rivals. An Everton supporter as a youth should not be doing Pool games. Frankly, a Man united supporter as a youth shouldn't be doing Leeds or City games. Not really an unrealistic ask of the league. Don't put the refs in that situation.

The 3 "no vote of confidence" strikes is also not an unreasonable ask. 40 games you get to use up 3 of them. It's something that many supporter fan clubs could get behind.

The unintended consequence is that certain names will come up over an over again and that is the real problem. It pits the officials union against the customers. Can't have that since it makes the issue really simple and clear cut. Just trying to find a back door way to get rid of refs like this.

You have to start somewhere and just saying "that's the way it's always been" really doesn't work out well in the long run.

[Billyni]

It's called corruption.

VAR too. The reason they take so long in making a decision is that they are working on where their favouritism lies.

[WTF11]

Actually, my thread has little to do with Leeds itself and more to do with why the league doesn't implement a rather simple and rather effective mode of protecting against the most blatant offenders.

it's common sense to not have refs officiate teams that come from natural and intense rivalries if they grew up in the UK. The blades and Leeds are well known rivals. An Everton supporter as a youth should not be doing Pool games. Frankly, a Man united supporter as a youth shouldn't be doing Leeds or City games. Not really an unrealistic ask of the league. Don't put the refs in that situation.

The 3 "no vote of confidence" strikes is also not an unreasonable ask. 40 games you get to use up 3 of them. It's something that many supporter fan clubs could get behind.

The unintended consequence is that certain names will come up over an over again and that is the real problem. It pits the officials union against the customers. Can't have that since it makes the issue really simple and clear cut. Just trying to find a back door way to get rid of refs like this.

You have to start somewhere and just saying "that's the way it's always been" really doesn't work out well in the long run.

The football leagues in the UK have been working things out for over a hundred years and despite the acknowledged deficiencies of officialdom (on and off the pitch) have generated the mist profitable and successful sporting industry in the world. Will the powers that be seek to develop some form of "fairness" in match officiating because you and a few others don't like "that's the way it has always been"? Dream on., but don't let the real world stop you from your delusional fantasies.

[ozleeds]

VAR too. The reason they take so long in making a decision is that they are working on where their favouritism lies.

There was a game not sure against Pool maybe where Pat was forward ball coming at him just 3 mtrs out and the player lifted his hand and pushed it out. I never seen it on the day and they never showed it. 2 days later I seen it as it was brought up on a clip and i was furious not to mention my caring of football dropped another level.

[Rev72]

Iffy refs and Leeds United go hand in hand unfortunately.

They even shafted us when we were the best club in Europe!

Feckin dodgy feckers

[spaldy]

I thought I'd revisit this. I'm sure it will upset the poster that just advised to just shut up and stop whining along with stop dreaming that certain refs are biased.

So basically, just another day.

1) Penalty in the box against us at a critical point in a scoreless draw. The defender doesn't even touch the ball and takes out our player in full stride. No call and not even a VAR review.

2) Penalty against leeds. Initial foul is over a yard outside the box and some question whether the ball was touched first. Instant penalty given by the "unbiased official"

In the majority of Prem matches two incorrect penalty calls results in points won or lost so homer did his job. He just didn't expect us to be this prepared and ready to overcome his sorry ass officiating. He should be doing lg 1 games at best and more likely conference. He's representative of what's wrong in Prem officiating.

[WTF11]

I thought I'd revisit this. I'm sure it will upset the poster that just advised to just shut up and stop whining along with stop dreaming that certain refs are biased.

So basically, just another day.

1) Penalty in the box against us at a critical point in a scoreless draw. The defender doesn't even touch the ball and takes out our player in full stride. No call and not even a VAR review.

2) Penalty against leeds. Initial foul is over a yard outside the box and some question whether the ball was touched first. Instant penalty given by the "unbiased official"

In the majority of Prem matches two incorrect penalty calls results in points won or lost so homer did his job. He just didn't expect us to be this prepared and ready to overcome his sorry ass officiating. He should be doing lg 1 games at best and more likely conference. He's representative of what's wrong in Prem officiating.

Don't understand why you imagine yiur "revisit" would upset me. You're entitled to your opinion and to complain about match officiating until you're blue in the face, if you want to. No skin off my nose whatsoever.

Your post, and that of every other fan on this forum and every other will make not one bit of difference to how officials are appointed or selected. Knock yourself out by all means, you won't upset me, just spend energy for no logical reason.

[whitestomper45]

Don't understand why you imagine yiur "revisit" would upset me. You're entitled to your opinion and to complain about match officiating until you're blue in the face, if you want to. No skin off my nose whatsoever.

Your post, and that of every other fan on this forum and every other will make not one bit of difference to how officials are appointed or selected. Knock yourself out by all means, you won't upset me, just spend energy for no logical reason.

Your constant whinging about LUFC on here, in your words will not make one bit of difference to how the club is run… yet you constantly do… it’s a forum… people put up different views about all sorts.. most will debate these views without resorting to insults, if you don’t like different views maybe stick to the American political thread, the last time I looked, you seemed to be talking to yourself 😂

[Ozwhites]

Hear hear......

[WTF11]

Your constant whinging about LUFC on here, in your words will not make one bit of difference to how the club is run… yet you constantly do… it’s a forum… people put up different views about all sorts.. most will debate these views without resorting to insults, if you don’t like different views maybe stick to the American political thread, the last time I looked, you seemed to be talking to yourself 😂

"Constant whinging"? Bit unfair particularly of late, and I don't recollect insulting anyone for quite a while (maybe I'm bellowing!).

According to response from Mrs O, the club are aware of the posts here, so you never know, some opinions (mine and others), might be taken into account in some fashion or another, unlike the complaints about officials which the club can and will do nothing about, hence my suggestion to Spaldy.

I'm touched that you feel the need to review the other thread. It provides an opportunity for me to express views, whether others reply doesn't worry me much, although it's disappointing (although unsurprising) that those who reside in that troubled land don't feel motivated to reply to some of them.