Spurs sack Frank

[spaldy]

Why? Think Farke is growing and learning on the job. I believe that scum had a scottish guy with as large red beak that also "learned" on the job. That worked out pretty well for them and Arteta was no great shakes his first couple of years.

It's also interesting to note that we are 18th in payroll? We have been playing above our weight since the Citeh game.

[WTF11]

Why? Think Farke is growing and learning on the job. I believe that scum had a scottish guy with as large red beak that also "learned" on the job. That worked out pretty well for them and Arteta was no great shakes his first couple of years.

It's also interesting to note that we are 18th in payroll? We have been playing above our weight since the Citeh game.

If that ?why?? was in response to my query regarding LUFC possibly being interested in Franke;

Simple, he?s a better coach/manager than Farke, and all the evidence points to that being so.

He took Brentford from Championship to PL in 2021 (AND KEPT THEM THERE), whilst creating a (small) squad that he could hand to his successor if/when he left Brentford. He isn?t a ?yo-yo? merchant, which Farke shows all the indications of being.

His time at Brentford showed he can create/manage a small squad playing attractive attacking football for a well-run club but one which has limitations in terms of its small ground (capacity 17.5k) and access to investments funds (although the majority shareholder (Matthew Benham) has, like the 49-ers Enterprises at Leeds, sought to widen his investment sources recently).

Franke recognised that Brentford ?are a selling club?, when asked about selling the likes of Wissa ?for the right price?. Brentford regularly made a profit from player sales whilst Frank was head coach, unlike virtually the whole history of LUFC activity in the transfer market (so not all losses are down to Farke!).

I suspect if asked a direct question he would admit to having made a mistake taking the Spurs job. Hubris, financial gain, whatever prompted him to leave a club he was very successful at, who knows. He might relish the opportunity of coming to LUFC and making a real impact?

And lastly, since when do we have the luxury of being able to afford the time for a head coach for ?growing and learning on the job?? (and hasn?t he had plenty of previous opportunities to do so?

[spaldy]

I think you are underselling our potential.

We are not a selling club forever. Brentford is. If all of the 49?s plans come to pass we?ll be a buying club with a sold out big capacity stadium. At some point we?ll be able to ignore the financial rules like Arsenal, Citeh, Scum and Chelsea do. PSR seems to only apply to newly promoted clubs

Frank was clueless how to handle the pressure of a big club. He will season over time but he?s not anymore prepared to handle Leeds than Farke is and Farke has them playing well. Franks player selling and buying was woeful.

[WTF11]

I think you are underselling our potential.

We are not a selling club forever. Brentford is. If all of the 49?s plans come to pass we?ll be a buying club with a sold out big capacity stadium. At some point we?ll be able to ignore the financial rules like Arsenal, Citeh, Scum and Chelsea do. PSR seems to only apply to newly promoted clubs

Frank was clueless how to handle the pressure of a big club. He will season over time but he?s not anymore prepared to handle Leeds than Farke is and Farke has them playing well. Franks player selling and buying was woeful.

I never suggested that LUFC would be, now or any time soon, a "selling club", simply that as a head coach for a club that was (and still is to a large extent), Frank could cope with the additional pressures in creating and maintaining a successful squad. The club (as opposed to the head coach), has made profits every year he was there, we haven't been quite so successful.

Most commentators (with or without Spurs affiliations), would suggest there are internal, systemic and long standing issues that make management there VERY difficult. Frank encountered them, as have others.

Farke hasn't kept a club in the PL for more than a season following promotion, Frank has (and.under considerably more challenging circumstances).

Not underselling anything, just realistic about what can do with Farke as coach and what we could do if he is replaced by Frank.

[spaldy]

Agreed that spurs are a hot mess with serious issues. Money had hide a lot of defects but even that fails after a while. Frank was very, very good at Brentford but they have a tremendous back office that seems to just keep finding gems. The replacement coach has continued this success so I really think it's more a matter of not screwing up what they are given rather than coaching brilliance.

Farke has done a good job. I'm very bothered by Gnonto, Piroe and Tanaka but he has been pretty effective at matching up against teams (with notalble exception of Arsenal).

I'm very glad we have a stable coach situation at this time. The wheels are coming off at Forest, Glasner is not happy at Palace and it's a train wreck at spurs. We are sitting in a pretty decent place.

[WTF11]

Agreed that spurs are a hot mess with serious issues. Money had hide a lot of defects but even that fails after a while. Frank was very, very good at Brentford but they have a tremendous back office that seems to just keep finding gems. The replacement coach has continued this success so I really think it's more a matter of not screwing up what they are given rather than coaching brilliance.

Farke has done a good job. I'm very bothered by Gnonto, Piroe and Tanaka but he has been pretty effective at matching up against teams (with notalble exception of Arsenal).

I'm very glad we have a stable coach situation at this time. The wheels are coming off at Forest, Glasner is not happy at Palace and it's a train wreck at spurs. We are sitting in a pretty decent place.

Just to be clear, I wasn't advocating that Farke goes before seasons end, current form would suggest that's not a good move. But, if we survive Frank would be a marked improvement in terms of both experience in the PL and squad/player management
He is already being mentioned as a replacement for Glasner who has already said he won't be staying at Palace, and I suspect others would be watching too.

[whitestomper45]

Just to be clear, I wasn't advocating that Farke goes before seasons end, current form would suggest that's not a good move. But, if we survive Frank would be a marked improvement in terms of both experience in the PL and squad/player management
He is already being mentioned as a replacement for Glasner who has already said he won't be staying at Palace, and I suspect others would be watching too.

Frank gradually lost the dressing room, he couldn't control some of the players, he let Romero do what he want. Spurs are a far bigger club than Brentford, just as Leeds are... so no thanks am happy with Daniel, he's improving, the clubs improving, your trying to reinvent the wheel

[WTF11]

Frank gradually lost the dressing room, he couldn't control some of the players, he let Romero do what he want. Spurs are a far bigger club than Brentford, just as Leeds are... so no thanks am happy with Daniel, he's improving, the clubs improving, your trying to reinvent the wheel

No, I'm not (trying to re-invent the wheel). You may be happy with Farke, as are many others, but had we been playing like we were before the City game I suspect opinions would be markedly different (and the recent Arsenal game shows that he isn't incapable of going back to those less than wonderful days).

If we survive it will be as much due to luck as good management. Frank took Brentford from Championship to PL and kept them there, and whether there were dressing room "issues" or not, when he left for Spurs (which I'm sure he regrets now) he handed over to Andrews a squad and a team eminently capable of remaining in the PL. I say again, Farke was, and IMHO still is, a yo-yo coach, he may have gotten us promoted to the PL, but unlike (for instance) Le Bris at Sunderland, there are serious doubts as to whether he can keep us there.

[spaldy]

Started thinking about who I'd rather have as our coach of the current Prem coaches. When I really drilled it down it's nowhere near the number it might seem.

The villa coach, The bournemouth coach and Glasner really the only ones that seem like they might be better fits and even that's a toss up.

Farke messes up like any coach does but with the notable exception of Arsenal he's largely had our team more than ready to go since the Citeh turning point game. Don't care for the sub delays and the inconsistency from half to half but I never feel we are not ready to go. Something that used to plague us regularly it seemed like.

I think the FA cup game will be a real barometer.

[whitestomper45]

No, I'm not (trying to re-invent the wheel). You may be happy with Farke, as are many others, but had we been playing like we were before the City game I suspect opinions would be markedly different (and the recent Arsenal game shows that he isn't incapable of going back to those less than wonderful days).

If we survive it will be as much due to luck as good management. Frank took Brentford from Championship to PL and kept them there, and whether there were dressing room "issues" or not, when he left for Spurs (which I'm sure he regrets now) he handed over to Andrews a squad and a team eminently capable of remaining in the PL. I say again, Farke was, and IMHO still is, a yo-yo coach, he may have gotten us promoted to the PL, but unlike (for instance) Le Bris at Sunderland, there are serious doubts as to whether he can keep us there.

What does it matter how we got to how we are playing now. Most managers get lucky somewhere and its the now that is important. And we are actually starting to play like when we were in Championship with big overloads down the wing. If we had a better finisher than Bamford we would have been far more successful than we were.
The signings have proved successful, we got lucky up front 2 injury prone players albeit high quality that we wouldn't have been in a position to afford, the team plays with a great spirit and puts a shift in.
Frank lost the dressing room and the fans. Farke controls his squad.. if you don't try in training or have some indiscipline your gone.. Frank couldn't/wouldn't stand up to the "star players" , his tactics became erratic, what style was it that makes you think it will work well with LUFC?... he earned a chance to manage a big club but messed it up, I don't want him trying to salvage his career here.

[whitestomper45]

WTF your reference to Sunderland is interesting. Fair play to them they have been the surprise of the season, but are slowly dropping down the league (momentum is everything). Next season clubs are allowed to spend 85% or ifin Europe 70% of turnover. Newly promoted clubs tend to spend more due to lower turnover in previous season/s Currently Leeds are on 92%, Sunderland are at 100%

[whitestomper45]

Started thinking about who I'd rather have as our coach of the current Prem coaches. When I really drilled it down it's nowhere near the number it might seem.

The villa coach, The bournemouth coach and Glasner really the only ones that seem like they might be better fits and even that's a toss up.

Farke messes up like any coach does but with the notable exception of Arsenal he's largely had our team more than ready to go since the Citeh turning point game. Don't care for the sub delays and the inconsistency from half to half but I never feel we are not ready to go. Something that used to plague us regularly it seemed like.

I think the FA cup game will be a real barometer.

He's said that he will take the game seriously but won't risk some players as PL survival is the priority, the Cup is just a bonus until we cement ourselves to PL.

[WTF11]

What does it matter how we got to how we are playing now. Most managers get lucky somewhere and its the now that is important. And we are actually starting to play like when we were in Championship with big overloads down the wing. If we had a better finisher than Bamford we would have been far more successful than we were.
The signings have proved successful, we got lucky up front 2 injury prone players albeit high quality that we wouldn't have been in a position to afford, the team plays with a great spirit and puts a shift in.
Frank lost the dressing room and the fans. Farke controls his squad.. if you don't try in training or have some indiscipline your gone.. Frank couldn't/wouldn't stand up to the "star players" , his tactics became erratic, what style was it that makes you think it will work well with LUFC?... he earned a chance to manage a big club but messed it up, I don't want him trying to salvage his career here.

"What does it matter how we got to how we are playing now."? Really? Doesn't everything about how we got (get) to where we are matter?

Farke has yet to prove he has learned some important lessons, with tactical substitutions being one of the most important. For nearly half the season so far he has been stubborny sticking with tactics and substitutions that clearly weren't working. Burnley have done the same and look where it's got them, Parker can't (or won't), change.

For the most part the sentiments regarding player commitment apply to the whole season and had they been coached so as to play as they have post the City match we wouldn't be even remotely at risk of relegation. The squad hasn't changed, neither has their commitment.

And "if you don't try in training or have some indiscipline your gone"? So Tanaka, Gnonto, Piroe have all been guilty of being lazy or ill-disciplined? Others could be added to that list. Farke has ALWAYS played (literally), favourites.

And how you can justify the statement regarding Frank "losing the dressing room", just because he had some prima donnas that aren't there any more? Brentford finished 10th, unlucky not to finish higher but never at any risk of descending like those around us now. Most would acknowledge that under Frank they have punched way above their weight, would that we were doing likewise.

We're not going to agree. Let's just hope, if we survive and the rumours about Frank and Crystal Palace, tgat we live to regret not going for what I at least believe would have been a Farke upgrade.

[WTF11]

Should read "don't live to regret....."

[spaldy]

I do think the second year in the prem is very hard and the "sophomore jinx" could be real with us.

However, our squad plays hard for him and he'll have more money that MB ever had

A good time to be a Leeds fan!