Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I don't pretend to know which of the various "versions" of TDS you are actually waffling on about in some vain attempt to sound "intelligent", but you fail this time, as in all previous attempts.

If you actually took the trouble to READ what I posted recently, ALL the links go to authoritative, INDEPENDENT sources of information regarding the effect of the chimps actions, or direct quotes which come from those who you might expect to be a little more supportive of what it's doing while it infests the White House. I don't hate the animal, it doesn't warrant that depth of emotion, but I do I hate what it and its cohort is doing to a country I have lived in and whose people don't deserve the abomination that they have unfortunately saddled themselves with. I also hate the effect its actions are having on hundreds of millions of people around the world, either by reducing the worth of their pension pot (I am one such), or by leaving companies with no alternative to shed jobs because the chimps industrial "policy" (ha ha) makes investment ANYWHERE more risky than it has been in the past, or any other of the bizarre, almost humorous things it has done, such as imposing a 76% "reciprocal tariff" on a country populated only by penguins and seals (FACT, go check if you like). And let's not forget (oh my god how I wish we could) the SKUM effect, with his army of wet-behind-the-ear t e e n disciples eradicating whole government departments (and then having to rehire many because they are essential to the workings of government, but what would the t e e nies know about such things?)

Have you ever lived (or even visited) the UK? I suspect, like Spaldy, that the answer is no, and that you get YOUR "information" from Truth Media (what a howler of a misnomer that is). I live here, have for most of may adult life, and I wouldn't swap the freedoms and lifestyle choices we are able to make each and every day here in the UK, and the benefits of a health system free at the point of delivery TO ALL etc etc etc, for all the chimps promises of a "beautiful" tomorrow. Hundreds of thousands more Americans are already jobless since the chimps arrival, soon to become those seeking unemployment benefits when their severance pay runs out (on average about 12 weeks from severance). Ask them how much they like their new life, if the chimp hasn't already deported them that is.

You ask "what am I doing to save (the UK) from the current invasion. You refer I presume to the immigrants crossing the channel? You should get up to date and read a little more factual information. Nearly 20 times more immigrants entered the UK legally than otherwise in 2024. They got visas, came here, found jobs, entered education, joined families already here, all of which is possible and perfectly legal, and by doing so they contribute, in one way or another, to the richness, diversity and economic well-being of the UK. The chimp cares nothing for such matters, neither do his acolytes, such as the Defence Secretary and the loony Loomie, who together have conspired to have some of the most capable senior military commanders dismissed simply because they are female.

BTW, his support is NOT increasing, no matter what Truth Media might suggest, You need to get some balance in your sources of "fact".

Some examples garnered by others and documenting real-life events, not the chimps fantasy world;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...fcbcc179&ei=15

The broader point being irrespective of the merits or otherwise of what is being posted it?s a football forum - your posts now probably amount to a small novel and clearly there is not going to be agreement with some of those with whom you disagree.

You clearly have strong views as do others and never the Twain will meet. Spouting off and then calling out people who disagree isn?t that appropriate in this sort of forum.

Go join Reddit or Insta or X or something on threads about the topic.

Most on here have little interest in debating this in this setting.

It?s not about stopping people posting but as Billy I think said ages ago - please make it stop.

[ozleeds]

The broader point being irrespective of the merits or otherwise of what is being posted it?s a football forum - your posts now probably amount to a small novel and clearly there is not going to be agreement with some of those with whom you disagree.

You clearly have strong views as do others and never the Twain will meet. Spouting off and then calling out people who disagree isn?t that appropriate in this sort of forum.

Go join Reddit or Insta or X or something on threads about the topic.

Most on here have little interest in debating this in this setting.

It?s not about stopping people posting but as Billy I think said ages ago - please make it stop.

LOL 71 pages says otherwise. Again it's not meant to be a football topic and nothing wrong with bringing the worlds problem here. No one forces anyone to read or post. I find it intriguing on others thoughts and mainly most have the same feelings about things.
On brighter news Trump now want's to get rid of Daylight saving which is another garbage idea some idiot thought off. I even missed a match beacause the time change ffs. Leave time to int's nature.

[WTF11]

The broader point being irrespective of the merits or otherwise of what is being posted it?s a football forum - your posts now probably amount to a small novel and clearly there is not going to be agreement with some of those with whom you disagree.

You clearly have strong views as do others and never the Twain will meet. Spouting off and then calling out people who disagree isn?t that appropriate in this sort of forum.

Go join Reddit or Insta or X or something on threads about the topic.

Most on here have little interest in debating this in this setting.

It?s not about stopping people posting but as Billy I think said ages ago - please make it stop.

Ok, so firstly, I made it very clear when I started the thread that despite this being a football FORUM, I was starting a NON-FOOTBALL related thread, and this isn't the first time i have told you so.

Secondly, and for reasons that really do escape me, I am struck by how often you feel motivated to respond in the part of others who post here. Do Rich, Oranje White or itgers need or invite your intervention on their behalf?

Thirdly, and perhaps most significantly, it would appear that as I suspected when I started the thread, and of the greatest disappointment to someone like myself who holds the USA in the highest esteem in so many levels both personal and general, I see in the responses of those like Spaldy and others a skewed, misguided, ill-informed, isolationist, insular, backward-looking and ultimately delusional view of the world, in and outside of the borders of the USA.

And "calling out people who disagree...", i.e debate, isn't "appropriate"?????? Isn't that specifically what a forum (of any sort and on any subject), for?

[WTF11]

LOL 71 pages says otherwise. Again it's not meant to be a football topic and nothing wrong with bringing the worlds problem here. No one forces anyone to read or post. I find it intriguing on others thoughts and mainly most have the same feelings about things.
On brighter news Trump now want's to get rid of Daylight saving which is another garbage idea some idiot thought off. I even missed a match beacause the time change ffs. Leave time to int's nature.

Sorry, but daylight saving was of value, but no longer. It helped farming communities to stay productive by extending the working day during periods of the year when artificial lighting wasn't easily available. Clearly those times have long since gone so (for probably the only time) I agree that it no longer serves any purpose and should be scrapped. If the chimp can focus on similarly important issues maybe the adults can get back to some semblance of responsible government.

[WTF11]

There is no doubt WTF has TDS. The hatred and name calling of a man he has never met, but relies on information from the same media that told us that Hunters laptop was a Russian hoax, Joe was as sharp as a tack, the covid jab is safe and effective, men can get pregnant, the US southern border is secure, free speech is alive and well in the UK there is no two tier Policing in the UK, etc. Despite all of that being lies, their rabid reports of Trump are sonehow true, thinks WTF. Trust them! Trump has support in the US for doing what he said he would do. He's a patriot. His support is increasing. WTF, what are you doing to save your country from the current invasion? Nothing but attacking a man who told Starmer, there will be no trade agreement until the UK gets free speech. Already, Trump has done more for the UK than any current UK politician, but the media have brainwashed you to hate him. Yep, TDS.

Doing what he said he would do, like tanking the dollar? Oh no, perhaps he didn't say he would do that, maybe he didn't realise being an economic basket case would have that effect?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/dollar-slumps-as-traders-scramble-to-sell-america/ar-AA1CLou8?

And his support is increasing?????

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/trump-s-approval-rating-hits-new-low-after-tariffs-backlash/ar-AA1CNzuz?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0e0f54d0e317474887c89aad9e32f7a5&ei=43

You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool ALL the people ALL of the time. Chickens coming home to roost for the chimp.

[WTF11]

Witkoff goes to shake hands with the terrorist who days later sanctions a ballistic missile attack on Sumi, killing ONLY civilians (including women and children).

And the chimps reaction? "Sometimes you have to put up or shut up"????????? What the f00k is he blathering on about? Absolute joke of the entity portrayed as the "leader of the free world".

[WTF11]

About time that "doing the right thing" was translated not as "what can the USA screw out of Ukraine (and elsehwere)", but as how the **** do those who think that way sleep at night.

"Make America Great Again", how? By bending over and saying "shaft us again" to Russian terrorists? Laughable.

[WTF11]

The chimp or the head of the Fed, who would you trust more on the economy (I think I know what some here would sat, mores the pity)!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/full-blown-crisis-expert-sounds-alarm-at-trump-s-latest-escalation/ar-AA1Dca5B?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0069b35322ae4eddedf98cccd7b95def&ei=81

[WTF11]

The chimp or the head of the Fed, who would you trust more on the economy (I think I know what some here would sat, mores the pity)!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/full-blown-crisis-expert-sounds-alarm-at-trump-s-latest-escalation/ar-AA1Dca5B?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0069b35322ae4eddedf98cccd7b95def&ei=81

and is there nowhere and nothing he wont "rape and pillage" (his words) in order to make a dime?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-allows-commercial-fishing-in-protected-pacific-ocean-reserve-sparking-scientists-backlash/ar-AA1Dc8TB?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=4a1eaeb951bb49adbb1916a254f08eaa&ei=68

[WTF11]

And so it goes on;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ineptitude-incompetence-stupidity-and-chaos-the-theme-that-unites-everything-opinion/ar-AA1DwnEi?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=8159c3772625432d9bdec7ea8344f008&ei=23

[ozleeds]

I think one needs to fix on back yard than worry about someone else's problem.
Your 3 main cities are just about gone white english people are the minority. You have an idiotic leader that's more concerned about ukraine than the damage his doing.
You have muslims running local governments in fact last count about 11 big cities including Yorkshire are run by them.
I look at today and Anzac day and say what was the point they fought so hard only to see the idiots running our countries destroy what they fought for.
Anyway like I said that's fix our own countries first. For me Greece is gone and Australia is well on the way.

[WTF11]

I think one needs to fix on back yard than worry about someone else's problem.
Your 3 main cities are just about gone white english people are the minority. You have an idiotic leader that's more concerned about ukraine than the damage his doing.
You have muslims running local governments in fact last count about 11 big cities including Yorkshire are run by them.
I look at today and Anzac day and say what was the point they fought so hard only to see the idiots running our countries destroy what they fought for.
Anyway like I said that's fix our own countries first. For me Greece is gone and Australia is well on the way.

Sorry Oz , you don't live here and I suspect you've never even visited, bit like Spaldy. You get your "facts" from places I can't imagine because just like Spaldy you make statement that from a UK residents point of view are bizarre bordering on the delusional. Come here and see for yourself.

Starmer is more interested in stuffing his nose as far up Trumps arse as necessary to get a trade deal, those most concerned about Ukraine reside in mainland Europe.

I'm with you in pondering what those who made the ultimate sacrifice would think of the world today and was it worth it. I also think I know the answer.

Partly why I really do hate the chimp in the White House now. So much potential for doing good, and not just for America but the whole world and instead we see nothing but anger, vitriol, extortion, spitefulness, childishness and bullying etc etc and suffering amongst the very people (in the US!) iit claimed it was wanting to "save" (farmers, low-paid disenfranchised workers etc). I hope those who voted for it are proud if themselves

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

It could be worse - if you were in charge!

[WTF11]

It could be worse - if you were in charge!

I doubt it.

Folks on here suggest Biden is a bit "slow", and at his age that's perhaps understandable, but at least (most of the time), his sentences actually do make sense, unlike the drivel that you get whenever the chimp has to speak without the aid of a teleprompter (his latest Oval Office performance when he spoke about how many people were being killed in Ukraine was comical (lots of people are being killed, Ukrainians, Russians, but not Americans" you don't say!!!!).

It makes me wonder if there are others who feed the chimp "stuff" and when its used all their "input" it goes "off reservation"?

Stranger things.......

[spaldy]

You may want to update your vernacular.

Chimp was the term the democrats coined for George W Bush reflecting his rather spineless and ineffective way of governing. He was a puppet for our DC rulers. Unlike our last leader he could pass a drivers test and had the ability to stay awake more than a couple of hours and also had control of his bowels. He did not need to be put into a memory care unit when he was not loaded up on drugs to get him through a 10 minute speech with no follow up questions.

Trump fits none of the above characteristics reflecting the chimp nickname you have coined him with.

I'm glad you like your government and how effective they are. Your healthcare, immigration policies,economic mobility,personal freedoms, education system and you egalitarian business enviroment are models for the rest of the world. I can only hope that someday I get to be governed and live my life the way you do.