Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[spaldy]

EV’s have nothing to do with the environment. It’s 100% control. They can be shut off at any time by the government and obviously the limited range limits mobility of the masses.

Anyone who has been through a battery manufacturing knows that next to an electroplating operation there is nothing more nasty on the environment.

The other”minor issue” is that there is no way to recycle lithium ion batteries. Millions of tons of these batteries are coming off line in the next decade with no way to dispose of them. Our rulers know this. One thing is for sure. They won’t be stored anywhere near DC or London. They will end up in some rural area.

Internal combustion Car recycling is nearing 90%. Very little ends up up wasted. Glass and some olastics

It will be one of the greatest scams of a decade some huge one.

[ozleeds]

EV’s have nothing to do with the environment. It’s 100% control. They can be shut off at any time by the government and obviously the limited range limits mobility of the masses.

Anyone who has been through a battery manufacturing knows that next to an electroplating operation there is nothing more nasty on the environment.

The other”minor issue” is that there is no way to recycle lithium ion batteries. Millions of tons of these batteries are coming off line in the next decade with no way to dispose of them. Our rulers know this. One thing is for sure. They won’t be stored anywhere near DC or London. They will end up in some rural area.

Internal combustion Car recycling is nearing 90%. Very little ends up up wasted. Glass and some olastics

It will be one of the greatest scams of a decade some huge one.

No need to dispose of them as they explode and perish by themselves. I can imagine the world becoming the next HELL as there is going to be more red than green.

[Monaco_Totty]

About two-thirds (66%) of the voting eligible USA population turned out for the 2020 presidential election – the highest rate for any national election since 1900.

Stats sadly still show that older women often give deference to the presumed expertise of their husbands on politics & that men often reinforce that presumption & express their intensity with such so-called greater expertise.

One point that occupies my mind is could Republican turnout among women, especially older women, be partially explained by their husbands who are seen as wielding influence over the family vote ?

Too often i kept hearing & reading from elder French women that they were going to pay an emotional price with their families, friends & church if they didn’t continue to toe the line in recent French regional elections.

On the other hand younger female voters in France showed no such reliance on their male partners, family or friends with regard to recent political voting.
For me personally,Trump simply does not respect the freedom of women or the intelligence of women to make decisions about their own lives, end of.

Today i see CNN reporting that in the early voting more women had turned out to vote than men.
So am asking Spaldy, what ultimately is the "whole-turnout" to vote expected to be for what is an important election as you seem to be in the mix of organising vote casting procedures ?

[WTF11]

About two-thirds (66%) of the voting eligible USA population turned out for the 2020 presidential election – the highest rate for any national election since 1900.

Stats sadly still show that older women often give deference to the presumed expertise of their husbands on politics & that men often reinforce that presumption & express their intensity with such so-called greater expertise.

One point that occupies my mind is could Republican turnout among women, especially older women, be partially explained by their husbands who are seen as wielding influence over the family vote ?

Too often i kept hearing & reading from elder French women that they were going to pay an emotional price with their families, friends & church if they didn’t continue to toe the line in recent French regional elections.

On the other hand younger female voters in France showed no such reliance on their male partners, family or friends with regard to recent political voting.
For me personally,Trump simply does not respect the freedom of women or the intelligence of women to make decisions about their own lives, end of.

Today i see CNN reporting that in the early voting more women had turned out to vote than men.
So am asking Spaldy, what ultimately is the "whole-turnout" to vote expected to be for what is an important election as you seem to be in the mix of organising vote casting procedures ?

Unfortunately I suspect you are spot on and that despite the supposed advances in female emancipation in the States, the GOP section of the electorate as a whole, and the elders in particular, are rooted in the days of Hoover, Macarthyism and male dominated decision making. Kind of explains the latest threats made to women by Trump with his "I will do what I like to protect women, whether they like it or not" (his own words, from his mouth, no "editorialising").

[spaldy]

It will be a record turnout. Partly because of population growth but will also be a record turnout percentage wise as well. I wi not be surprised if close to 70%. Some areas wi be over 90%. Interestingly enough, we had 19 precincts in the US that had over 100% turnout. Obviously that’s impossible. All were in democrat areas. We also had over a 100 precincts with 100% vote for Biden. That’s virtually impossible. Even Kim jong and Xi don’t get 100% in precincts over 100 votes.

As an old dude with a 63 yr old wife I can assure you that anyone who thinks women take orders from their husband is deluded. The US does not track individual votes and no be knows who votes for who. It’s a cornerstone of our country. My wife might ask me for advice. My hot button is fiscal responsibility. I don’t think anyone has the right to leave the next generation in huge debt and liabilities. She thinks the same. After that she votes on her issues. I think this talking point is created by losers to act as cover for if they lose on poor policy.

[spaldy]

I think some posters on this thread have US women confused with some Middle East countries women. My guess is that for the few women that will vote as they are told by a man will be offset by the males told by their women who to vote for

[Monaco_Totty]

Must be hard to administer Electoral voting rolls as migrants to the UK from abroad were always under-registered in Electoral registers as in my knowledge there is no quantitative evidence on the extent of this gap, as barriers include lack of English language skills & lack of knowledge of the process of Elections overall.

Recently was told from a mate still working in the UK York electoral Registrar office that only 66% of private renters are registered due to a strong correlation with length of residence & registration plus the greater proportion of ethnic minorities & younger people who now are renting their homes, York has a population of 200,000 but the two-thirds figure is across the whole UK regions towns & cities

Stats say as many as 8 million people faced being disenfranchised at the last UK election due to it's antiquated Electoral registration system which is neither effective nor efficient apparently, currently.

As for me voting ?
Brexit scarred me for life & being a Brit now living in France & Europe i'm happy to be exiled.

To be honest i'm just happy to keep it real workwise with head down & lots of smiling during a shift & i've never joined a union either.
I avoid office politics, get organised, speak up about how i'm feeling health wise & if pi$$ed off do activities after work to get life back in perspective - so that way there's no time for moaning, so no going back to the darker side of my life again either.👍

[WTF11]

Must be hard to administer Electoral voting rolls as migrants to the UK from abroad were always under-registered in Electoral registers as in my knowledge there is no quantitative evidence on the extent of this gap, as barriers include lack of English language skills & lack of knowledge of the process of Elections overall.

Recently was told from a mate still working in the UK York electoral Registrar office that only 66% of private renters are registered due to a strong correlation with length of residence & registration plus the greater proportion of ethnic minorities & younger people who now are renting their homes, York has a population of 200,000 but the two-thirds figure is across the whole UK regions towns & cities

Stats say as many as 8 million people faced being disenfranchised at the last UK election due to it's antiquated Electoral registration system which is neither effective nor efficient apparently, currently.

As for me voting ?
Brexit scarred me for life & being a Brit now living in France & Europe i'm happy to be exiled.

To be honest i'm just happy to keep it real workwise with head down & lots of smiling during a shift & i've never joined a union either.
I avoid office politics, get organised, speak up about how i'm feeling health wise & if pi$$ed off do activities after work to get life back in perspective - so that way there's no time for moaning, so no going back to the darker side of my life again either.👍

"Stats as say".......exactly which stats? Migrants into the UK aren't entitled to vote unless and until their immigration status is confirmed, you would suggest it should be otherwise (I suspect there would be a degree of opposition in principle to such a change, here and most certainly in the (dis)United States of America.

And this level if supposed disenfranchisement is "due to it's antiquated Electoral registration system which is neither effective nor efficient apparently, currently". Says who?

Trump peddles lies and inaccurate street bev a use it suits his campaign of disinformation and confusion. I thought better of you, but the last post could have been penned by a Trump staffer wanting to diminish any criticism emanating from these shores.

You might not like what has happened in the UK since Brexit, but unlike the majority of those who've in this country you had the opportunity to exile yourself and took it. The majority are still here, still working, still going on hoiday ( here and abroad), still being educated from pre-school to University and beyond, still having their ills addressed by the NHS, still being cared for in their twilight years. We may not be all you would want, but we are what we need to be and compared to the French you seem to prefer I'll take Brits (of all creeds and colours), any day.

[WTF11]

You'll have to forgive the odd spelling/contextual issue with my last post, stupid predictive texting to blame!....but, to add to the response, a few "we dont's"

We don't have this in the UK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_French_farmers%27_protests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/01/shootout-several-hundred-people--france-poitiers-retailleau

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

And no, the UK is NOT some haven of peace and tranquility, knife crime is at an all time high, drugs continue to blight our society, but........we police by consent, very few of our police are routinely armed, and we don't (yet) have to carry identification with us wherever and whenever we go out, unlike many countries. On balance however, I'd suggest the UK is at least as safe, and at least as "content" in its own skin as anywhere else.

[WTF11]

And as far as I'm aware, not even Hitler was so arrogant as to suggest he would "protect women, whether they like it or not".

[Sniffer999]

"WORKERS" being the key word. The pink haired trans pedos hate him because they watch and listen and read the Ametican-hating commie MSM.

Very true

[Sniffer999]

Do yourself a favor. If you know all about the US and world political stage then don't bother to read my wandering dialogue. Just rest assured that you press and journalists feed you open, independent and well researched news that you are spoon fed. They will keep feeding it to you. It's the same worldwide and why schools are indoctrination centers and not incubators of independent thought anymore.




Mrs O, not picking on you. Just referencing your quote on Yank tourists visiting your country....


QUOTE=MrsORichSenior_;40595197]For me living in W. France.... we do not show enough consideration to the political debates and problems of other countries........ particularly the Trump/Biden ideologies which I do try to follow via the Euro press.
I also often speak and listen to American folks who arrive in St Nazaire by bus loads visiting WW2 sites..... so politics do often crop up when talking to Americans sat at waterside hangouts.

In my view, Trump appears not so much a fascist but rather part of a new 'authoritarianism'....... that subverts democracy from within and solidifies power through administrative rather than paramilitary means broadly speaking.

These new authoritarians do not necessarily take a sledgehammer to a nations institutions, for example, by doing away with elections....... they hollow out democracy from within, so it becomes a façade draped over a one-party state......... The new style authoritarians govern through the transformation of the civil service into their own personal political machines... is the way rightly or wrongly as I see it ?

More so..... as Trump keeps saying that if he is elected to a second term he will prosecute his political opponents [the enemies within]. On 22 October he stated, once again that as President he would use 'extreme power' …... stating 'We can’t play games with these people and these are people that are dangerous people … an enemy from within.'

In Europe, Spain’s socialist prime minister Sánchez described the recent French election results as a warning and a lesson for Spain..........stating....... 'you always beat the far-right by governing and bringing in progressive policies........ that one by one give the lie to all the fake news that the far-right movement often spreads'.

However, the French far-right Party share of the government votes offers a cautionary tale for European civil society to learn from if it is to hopefully help stave off the very real far-right threat.......
..... but in the context of a widening gap between French voters and the political elite then it actually fell to civil society to channel anger, fear and hope into a political force that countered the rise of the far-right in the end for French society in 2024, particularly from the vocal unified under thirty-five year old voters........

Ultimately......... French regional, as well as religious identity explained the far-right’s poor performances........ particularly in my Western France home region 'Brittany' with its strong Breton independent identity.......
so from that perspective it certainly weakened arguments from the Far-rights political party about supposed threats to French identity........ as shared Christian culture, including among those who do not consider themselves Christians, which has been perceived for a long time as a major obstacle to the far-right throughout Europe.

So I do see comparisons when I look out across my coastal bay outwards to my Atlantic friends and remember how ever changing politics led me on new journeys in life.

MOT

You do realize that Trump has been charged over 100 times in local, state and federal courts? Not one of which would have occurred if he was not a politician? Not sure if you realize that the "russian collusion" steele dossier where he supposedly colluded with the russians in order to get ***ual favors from Russian escorts was also 100% fabricated but covered endlessly for 3 years over hear by "journalists" without one shred of truth. Over 1 million hours/pages of coverage by the media and journalists without one shred of truth. They could give the Chinese and North Koreans lessons in propaganda.

Not sure what the definition of political persecution is across the pond but that sure seems to fit the bill



I do understand that we all tend to look at our home country as a really, really important place. It's a national pride that I hope all people feel about their home but, like any countries press these days, you are much better off assuming that you are being lied to rather than the truth unless you see and hear it with your own eyes.


The people you are running into in France are not your typical Americans. This is especially the case for anyone from the Washington DC area. The rest of the country works so that these elites `can tell us how to live, worship and think. They grant us the privelege of keeping half our paycheck so that they tell us how to live more fulfilled and productive lives. we should be honored and grateful that they know what's best for us and protect our children and us from ourselves. Many of us will never have the resources and time to travel overseas. Few Americans have pensions anymore. The only people that do have pensions are government workers and some of the old line Union factory jobs. if you take the time to research whats actually going on in the US economy you'd find the power and wealth is all coalescing in DC and the big cities while the rural areas are dying off. The regulation which is arbitrary and capricious based on who you support politically is choking out small business start ups (the key to US economic growth) and the education system is failing at all levels.

The polls that I have worked at this election season are jammed. I suspect this will be a record turnout vote in the US.

Trump is not a fascist. He's a New York real estate Baron that realized that the country is failing. A businessman in a failed state can't make the money that they can in a booming economy. His attitude, abrasiveness and overall obnoxious behavior is endemic in New York and the real estate industry. He is not a politician and he can't understand the millions of worthless bureaucrats that create no value to the citizens (his potential customers). He's a threat to the system and they will stop at nothing to make sure he does not change it or alter it in a way that they bureaucrats lose their power. DC doesn't even pretend anymore. The fact they ran a candidate that has not run on any policies, programs or items that she's going to change or implement (other than give aways on housing and school loans) shows just how much contempt they have for 1/2 of the country.[/QUOTE]

God bless America.
I hope a Trump victory will spread to GB as we are currently ****ed and worse is to come.
Trump victory - a new prosperity and hope
Democrat victory - the end of civilisation as we know it

[WTF11]

You do realize that Trump has been charged over 100 times in local, state and federal courts? Not one of which would have occurred if he was not a politician? Not sure if you realize that the "russian collusion" steele dossier where he supposedly colluded with the russians in order to get ***ual favors from Russian escorts was also 100% fabricated but covered endlessly for 3 years over hear by "journalists" without one shred of truth. Over 1 million hours/pages of coverage by the media and journalists without one shred of truth. They could give the Chinese and North Koreans lessons in propaganda.

Not sure what the definition of political persecution is across the pond but that sure seems to fit the bill



I do understand that we all tend to look at our home country as a really, really important place. It's a national pride that I hope all people feel about their home but, like any countries press these days, you are much better off assuming that you are being lied to rather than the truth unless you see and hear it with your own eyes.


The people you are running into in France are not your typical Americans. This is especially the case for anyone from the Washington DC area. The rest of the country works so that these elites `can tell us how to live, worship and think. They grant us the privelege of keeping half our paycheck so that they tell us how to live more fulfilled and productive lives. we should be honored and grateful that they know what's best for us and protect our children and us from ourselves. Many of us will never have the resources and time to travel overseas. Few Americans have pensions anymore. The only people that do have pensions are government workers and some of the old line Union factory jobs. if you take the time to research whats actually going on in the US economy you'd find the power and wealth is all coalescing in DC and the big cities while the rural areas are dying off. The regulation which is arbitrary and capricious based on who you support politically is choking out small business start ups (the key to US economic growth) and the education system is failing at all levels.

The polls that I have worked at this election season are jammed. I suspect this will be a record turnout vote in the US.

Trump is not a fascist. He's a New York real estate Baron that realized that the country is failing. A businessman in a failed state can't make the money that they can in a booming economy. His attitude, abrasiveness and overall obnoxious behavior is endemic in New York and the real estate industry. He is not a politician and he can't understand the millions of worthless bureaucrats that create no value to the citizens (his potential customers). He's a threat to the system and they will stop at nothing to make sure he does not change it or alter it in a way that they bureaucrats lose their power. DC doesn't even pretend anymore. The fact they ran a candidate that has not run on any policies, programs or items that she's going to change or implement (other than give aways on housing and school loans) shows just how much contempt they have for 1/2 of the country.

God bless America.
I hope a Trump victory will spread to GB as we are currently ****ed and worse is to come.
Trump victory - a new prosperity and hope
Democrat victory - the end of civilisation as we know it[/QUOTE]

Easy to make sweeping generalisations (as a Trump devotee, I suppose that comes as second nature), less easy to make them stand up.

"The people you are running into in France are not your typical Americans". Perhaps not, at least as far as your definition of a "typical American" goes, in that they have passports, and travel. I've met many Americans, either as a result of holidaying in places like Costa Rica and Mexico where a LOT af those from the States go, or to the Normandy beaches and war memorials at Omaha & Utah beaches and the infamous gun emplacement at Point d'Hoc, not very far I suspect from where Mrs O resides. They are normal folks, family of those who fought and in many cases died in the liberation of Europe, workers in the oil industry (yes, workers), colleagues in the IT industry who set up their fledgling business in Florida and now have offices across the USA (none by the way in DC). All are/were as far as memory serves me, workers, even those you might call bureaucrats (teachers, sanitation operatives, health care workers, etc)

You do them and all the others who DO have the wherewithal to travel a disservice by characterising them as anything other than hard working folks who have saved in order to travel and see more of the world.

Trump is a FAILED real estate "baron", having been gifted a fortune;

"Trump received around $500 million from his father in gifts and other wealth transfers (in 2024 dollars).[10] Had he invested that money passively in Manhattan real estate, it would have been worth over $80 billion by 2017 instead of the $2.5 billion that Forbes estimate"

His wealth now is the result of his political endeavours, not his business acumen, and a large part of that wealth comes from those who would benefit from having the kind of president that Trump would be, authoritarian, dictatorial, unwelcoming of opposition and/or criticism, misogynist, racist, willing to use whatever means he sees fit to achieve the ends he wants, for himself.

Oh and the economy?

"The US economy expanded an annualized 2.8% in Q3 2024, below 3% in Q2 and forecasts of 3%, the advance estimate from the BEA showed. Personal spending increased at the fastest pace since Q1 2023 (3.7% vs 2.8% in Q2), boosted by a 6% surge in consumption of goods (6% vs 3%) and a robust spending on services (2.6% vs 2.7%), mostly prescription drugs, motor vehicles and parts, outpatient services and food services and accommodations. Government consumption also rose more (5% vs 3.1%), led by defense spending. In addition, the contribution from net trade was less negative (-0.56 pp vs -0.9 pp), with both exports (8.9% vs 1%) and imports (11.2% vs 7.6%) soaring, led by capital goods, excluding autos. On the other hand, private inventories dragged 0.17 pp from the growth, after adding 1.05 pp in Q2. Also, fixed investment slowed (1.3% vs 2.3%), led by a decline in structures (-4% vs 0.2%) and residential investment (-5.1% vs -2.8%). Investment in equipment however, soared (11.1% vs 9.8%). source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis" (you will probably rubbish those statements given their source, but do you have those that support your assertion?)

It's a question that America needs to answer, and soon...."How can a relatively mature democracy, with an electorate that numbers over 150 million, conjure up a situation where the country has produce two candidates running for the Presidency, neither of which seem able to command a workable majority nor to show that they represent more than their own demographic?" Dis-United States, now and even more so after Tuesday.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Workers and working class are increasingly phrases which belong to the last century but which politicos like to use to create friction and ‘class war’

Anyone who has a job is surely a worker. Most of the income and capital gains tax burden in the UK is born by a small proportion of tax payers yet Labour continues to use rhetoric to divide and attack them.

The NI hikes will hit us businesses and the lower paid the most as any chance of a pay rise will be most likely swallowed up by the NI employer rate hike. Those who are paid better will still probably get a pay rise as their employers will most likely at that level of pay want to keep them.


The agriculture inheritance tax changes don’t seem to pay any regard to food ‘ security’ (self sufficiency’.

Not sure the NHS. needs cash injections rather than huge reform. It will now have a budget of about 190 billion which is more than the total governmental spend in a few European countries.

[WTF11]

Workers and working class are increasingly phrases which belong to the last century but which politicos like to use to create friction and ‘class war’

Anyone who has a job is surely a worker. Most of the income and capital gains tax burden in the UK is born by a small proportion of tax payers yet Labour continues to use rhetoric to divide and attack them.

The NI hikes will hit us businesses and the lower paid the most as any chance of a pay rise will be most likely swallowed up by the NI employer rate hike. Those who are paid better will still probably get a pay rise as their employers will most likely at that level of pay want to keep them.


The agriculture inheritance tax changes don’t seem to pay any regard to food ‘ security’ (self sufficiency’.

Not sure the NHS. needs cash injections rather than huge reform. It will now have a budget of about 190 billion which is more than the total governmental spend in a few European countries.

Strangely (perhaps), agreed on all those points and as a pensioner with zero chance of increasing my earnings I'd happily slice off Starmers gentleman bits given the opportunity.