Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[norfolk white]

Yep, bit like my daughter always reliant on me to bail her out.

[WTF11]

Being a complete novice in world matter or politics, but trump taking Greenland is the same as putin taking crimea.

Completely different. Crimea has been at least partially "occupied" by ethnic Russians for a long time, and the annexation by Russia was met with general approval not just by the ethnic Russians, but by he whole of the population who (at the time) saw Russia as more "inclined" towards them than the then government in Kyiv. In addition Crimea was never a separate state, rather a region of Ukraine, and then (and now) Ukraine had no defence pact with other nations which would have deterred Russia.

Greenland is, and has been for longer than the USA has existed, part of the Danish empire, whether Trump or anybody else likes it or not. As part of the empire, Greenland is afforded the protection under the NATO treaty that all members of NATO benefit from, in particular Article 5, which effectively treats an attack on one as an attack on all, hence why Putin wouldn't cross the line into a NATO country, and why he doesn't want Ukraine to join. As long as NATO exists, the US in general and Trump in particular has no need for control of Greenland, the US already has a significant military presence there, as part of the joint defence mechanisms of the NATO allies. As I suggested in a previous post, the ONLY justification for the US to have an interest in controlling Greenland is if NATO were to cease to exist. The consequences of NATO no longer being that deterrent to Putin don't bear thinking about, but such an eventuality is not only possible but probable should Trump seize Greenland without both Danish and Greenlander approval, which he won't get (85% of Greenlanders effectively told him to shove his dollars where the sun don't shine in early 2025). NATO could no longer function when one member country illegally seizes the territory of another.

So no, the Crimean and Greenland situations are very, VERY different.

[norfolk white]

I stand corrected

[WTF11]

I stand corrected

I should.add that not only is Denmark a member of NATO, it was one the FOUNDER members, and the rapid entry of Finland and Sweden (after over century of neutrality), into the alliance was prompted specifically by Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Destroy NATO (as Trumps illegal seizure of Greenland would do) would spell the end of what we see as Western Europe. Without a joint defensive structure, Russia will see no deterrent.

[WTF11]

And tonight, on the streets of Minneapolis, a video shows that the driver of an SUV was attempting to leave the scene BEFORE BEING SHOT DEAD by an agent of the "heroic" ICE organisation. The video shows that no attempt was made to injury any of the law enforcement staff, the driver was shot from behind, an "inspiring" example of the depths to which the federal authorities will sink.

[Oranje White]

I have a gun but it has never pointed itself at anyone, never shot anyone, never killed anyone and never hurt anyone. In fact it never moves. It does nothing. It just sits there. Therefore it is not dangerous UNLESS it gets into the wrong human hands. Switzerland has an extremely high percentage of gun owners, but has almost zero gun crime.

[spaldy]

Keep on believing that Trump is going to invade Greenland

Keep on believing that trying to run over a law officer in front of you with a 4000lb vehicle is fine.

Keep on believing that exporting tons of fentanyl that?s killed over a hundred thousand citizens of a foreign country is fine

[WTF11]

I have a gun but it has never pointed itself at anyone, never shot anyone, never killed anyone and never hurt anyone. In fact it never moves. It does nothing. It just sits there. Therefore it is not dangerous UNLESS it gets into the wrong human hands. Switzerland has an extremely high percentage of gun owners, but has almost zero gun crime.

I refer you to previous posts of mine in this thread relating to killings as a result of gunshot in the US and comparing those with the same here in the UK where private gun ownership is more or less illegal. I'm sure there are "responsible" gun owners but the fact remains that the more guns there are in a population and the availability of guns is relatively simple, the more killings there will be.

[WTF11]

Keep on believing that Trump is going to invade Greenland

Keep on believing that trying to run over a law officer in front of you with a 4000lb vehicle is fine.

Keep on believing that exporting tons of fentanyl that?s killed over a hundred thousand citizens of a foreign country is fine

I suspect that I'm very much not alone in believing that Trump and his cronies will attempt to take control of Greenland in order to support another set of grubby deals on rare earths, nothing to do with strategic defence requirements.

Watch the video of the incident in Minneapolis!. The driver, a female US citizen, was driving AWAY from.the ICE agents and her vehicle made NO CONTACT with the agent who shot here through the drivers side window.

As for fentanyl, just what has any of my posts for to do with that? I know nothing about the drug, it's effects, where it's made or how it gets into the US, hence why I haven't commented on it.

[ozleeds]

I have a gun but it has never pointed itself at anyone, never shot anyone, never killed anyone and never hurt anyone. In fact it never moves. It does nothing. It just sits there. Therefore it is not dangerous UNLESS it gets into the wrong human hands. Switzerland has an extremely high percentage of gun owners, but has almost zero gun crime.

Because it's a deterrent!
Don't look at the USA, as they allow mentally unstable individuals to carry guns. Or sick drug countries like Mexico. Most, if not all, countries with half a brain and guns have next to no killings. I agree, not many left, but. Bring back execution for rapist killers and other major incidents, and that will deter most, not all, but most. We live in an unlawful world, and when one speaks up, they are racists.
All countries should just reset. Yes, all migrants go back to their heritage homes. Stop this nonsense immigration, and as the world game is farked with who is who in the teams and who owns what the f team, the world is no different.
Greek 6 mil Greeks left in the homeland and 5 million scum and crims while 10 million others live in different countries.
Jews more live outside than inside Israel. Immigration does not work and causes more conflict than not.

[ozleeds]

I suspect that I'm very much not alone in believing that Trump and his cronies will attempt to take control of Greenland in order to support another set of grubby deals on rare earths, nothing to do with strategic defence requirements.

Watch the video of the incident in Minneapolis!. The driver, a female US citizen, was driving AWAY from.the ICE agents and her vehicle made NO CONTACT with the agent who shot here through the drivers side window.

As for fentanyl, just what has any of my posts for to do with that? I know nothing about the drug, it's effects, where it's made or how it gets into the US, hence why I haven't commented on it.

You seem to read the media again.
Woman killed bla bla! You're not there, you don't see what law enforcement agents have to go through, and yeah, they are human,s and eventually one might make a mistake. But from what is known, she was evading agents and tried to run one over to get away. Poor woman must have been in a hurry to go back home to Somalia.
Trump always said he wanted to build bases in Greenland to combat the threat of the Russians, and so on. Europe can't pee without dependents. They act tough on the USA, the only country that can save them, and run like 3-year-olds on the Russian and muslim fronts. The so-called big countries in Europe act tough, like France, who cant even control its own country. Your own, I'll leave it at that germany who should be a power but more of a wimp and a couple others while smaller countries' voices aren'lt listened Greece is silent cause they know it won't take them anywhere, Hungary bulgaria Poland and other smaller countries lead the way in policies and what should be done only to be contradicted by the idiots of mainly the big 4.
NATO is just a name that means nothing. Where were they when the Turks invaded Cyprus? Instead, they want to put them in the EU lol/
As for your trump hate, well, you are mostly on your own, as any person with half a brain would disagree with you.
PS i got less than half a brain and wish Trump was here to fix this gen z farked up country of ours.

[WTF11]

You seem to read the media again.
Woman killed bla bla! You're not there, you don't see what law enforcement agents have to go through, and yeah, they are human,s and eventually one might make a mistake. But from what is known, she was evading agents and tried to run one over to get away. Poor woman must have been in a hurry to go back home to Somalia.
Trump always said he wanted to build bases in Greenland to combat the threat of the Russians, and so on. Europe can't pee without dependents. They act tough on the USA, the only country that can save them, and run like 3-year-olds on the Russian and muslim fronts. The so-called big countries in Europe act tough, like France, who cant even control its own country. Your own, I'll leave it at that germany who should be a power but more of a wimp and a couple others while smaller countries' voices aren'lt listened Greece is silent cause they know it won't take them anywhere, Hungary bulgaria Poland and other smaller countries lead the way in policies and what should be done only to be contradicted by the idiots of mainly the big 4.
NATO is just a name that means nothing. Where were they when the Turks invaded Cyprus? Instead, they want to put them in the EU lol/
As for your trump hate, well, you are mostly on your own, as any person with half a brain would disagree with you.
PS i got less than half a brain and wish Trump was here to fix this gen z farked up country of ours.

I can use my eyes, maybe you should try that sometime. The ICE agent who fired the shot was stood to the nearside of the vehicle, and shot the driver through the lower left side of the windshield (I had originally thought it was the agent stood by the drivers door). He was never impacted by the vehicle, and if you care to search for the videos (there are plenty, on various platforms, from differing angles, all show the same thing), the ICE agent draws his weapon as another agent tries to open the drivers door. As the vehicle moves AWAY from the officers, the agent with drawn weapon fires and shoots the driver, A WHITE FEMALE AMERICAN CITIZEN! Your paranoia is getting worse.

There are ALREADY US bases in Greenland, have been for decades, and the Greenland government has made it very clear that if further bases are required, they wouldn't object. What they DO object to is the US saying things like this;

"White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said the President and his team are "discussing a range of options" to take control of Greenland, which is home to a strategically v i t a l US military base"

or this;

"Senior Trump advisor Stephen Miller told CNN that "the United States should have Greenland" and refused to rule out military force, questioning Denmark's right to control the territory"

You're some expert on countries you have never been to and you accuse me of "reading the media"!

And the query about Cyprus and Turkey? NEITHER OF THOSE COUNTRIES ARE IN NATO, you ****head!!!! Article 5 provides for collective defence for NATO MEMBERS

You need to get out in the wide open spaces that Australia has in abundance, get away from the "influencers" and the hugely significant "news" outlets you take so much notice of. There's a real world out there, go find it and enjoy.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Let it go - there is nothing you can do about it and the UK’s relatively recent past means we are in no position to lecture others about meddling or interfering with other countries.

On top of that - Labour is a shambles, the Tories are a shambles and Farage a joke that might yet happen.

Whether you love him or hate him to be fair to Trump he tends to get things done. The world is changing and with it the USA’s priorities.

If you think that countries simply do things altruistically then I fear you are very very wrong.

[ozleeds]

I can use my eyes, maybe you should try that sometime. The ICE agent who fired the shot was stood to the nearside of the vehicle, and shot the driver through the lower left side of the windshield (I had originally thought it was the agent stood by the drivers door). He was never impacted by the vehicle, and if you care to search for the videos (there are plenty, on various platforms, from differing angles, all show the same thing), the ICE agent draws his weapon as another agent tries to open the drivers door. As the vehicle moves AWAY from the officers, the agent with drawn weapon fires and shoots the driver, A WHITE FEMALE AMERICAN CITIZEN! Your paranoia is getting worse.

There are ALREADY US bases in Greenland, have been for decades, and the Greenland government has made it very clear that if further bases are required, they wouldn't object. What they DO object to is the US saying things like this;

"White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said the President and his team are "discussing a range of options" to take control of Greenland, which is home to a strategically v i t a l US military base"

or this;

"Senior Trump advisor Stephen Miller told CNN that "the United States should have Greenland" and refused to rule out military force, questioning Denmark's right to control the territory"

You're some expert on countries you have never been to and you accuse me of "reading the media"!

And the query about Cyprus and Turkey? NEITHER OF THOSE COUNTRIES ARE IN NATO, you ****head!!!! Article 5 provides for collective defence for NATO MEMBERS

You need to get out in the wide open spaces that Australia has in abundance, get away from the "influencers" and the hugely significant "news" outlets you take so much notice of. There's a real world out there, go find it and enjoy.

Read for a start, I said they want turkey in nato ffs. Cyprus is greek or you didn't know that, and greece is.
As for an expert on world matters, I take pride in talking only about what I know, as in USA politics, my nephew lives there and get first hand account.
And I'm proud to stand up to people who have no clue about anything when they think they do.
You have contradicted yourself so many times, and youare still in denial.
As for that silly woman, what was she doing there in the first place? You do realise all those white sickos are paid actors, right, funded by crims to cause chaos. I guess not.
Once again, leave us in peace and just concentrate on your own country as just in case you didn't know, you are being colonized.

[ozleeds]

BREAKING NEWS
In IRAN the IIRG regime, the islamist terrorist have fallen as the Army and Police have joined the people and their Prince.
The regime leaders have fled the country to a safe harbour the French are giving them protection. UN Farking Real.