Taking the knee

[cherrypie7]

Interestingly, "taking the knee" has its origins in American football. Its when the game is about over and the winning team has the ball. The quarterback "takes the knee" on each down and runs the clock out. The term was taken from that context when Colin Kaepernick, the 49ers quarterback took the knee during the National anthem. The term now signifies solidarity, in the fight for a common cause. FYI, 49rrs cut kaepernick, a very good QB at the end of that season. A decision that violated an established axiom, "dont cut if you dont have a replacement". Set the 49ers back at least 2 seasons. But, i guess he was too much of a polarizing factor in the dressing room. I find it interesting that English football has adopted the term and the practice.

[MrsORichSenior_]

And I was worried about the length of.my post.

At least I made best attempt to respond to another members post, despite my very strong belief that they were talking out of their anus.

The last "contribution" has a huge amount of words that sadly mean next to nothing to us mere mortals.

Stop fence-sitting Mrs O, take a side why don't you?

Wtf........the world can be a threatening place with wars, pandemics, malicious governments, organised crime syndicates, job losses, educational struggles, food insecurities, natural disasters and petty crimes.

based on the level of disagreement human beings are highly unreliable at identifying correct political claims.........this is extremely unfortunate since it means that we have little chance of solving social problems and a good chance of creating or exacerbating them..... as highlighted in political debates on here.

political beliefs and perceptions of threat are linked.......but the relationship is nuanced.
the threat politics link depends on at least three sources of variation..... being the type of political belief, the type of threat and the political system........ i merely introduced the importance of good early education and the fact of how compromise can he ised successfully.

ulitmately people adopt political beliefs that help them fulfill particular psychological motivations........ and presently for some people right-wing ideology may be particularly well suited to help such minded people manage threat........

sitting on the fence ?........
nah, as our politics fail because time and time again our individual self-interest overrides our collective wellbeing is my answer.

as politics includes the variables of human thought and ad hoc situations there is not a consistent set of situations or conditions... nor do all people think or react alike...... so you are going to get a different answer every time often from the same person in the same situation at different times banging on about global politics.

i actually do not need a fence as i am open minded....... being willing to consider new ideas and perspectives even if they challenge my own beliefs........ which involves actively listening to and understanding different viewpoints, being receptive to new information and not being prejudiced....... a quality linked to critical thinking, better decision making, stronger relationships and greater mental adaptability for my benefit..... all abilities of merit to why i left the UK to explore my full strengths by voting with my feet.

MOT

[ozleeds]

Wtf........the world can be a threatening place with wars, pandemics, malicious governments, organised crime syndicates, job losses, educational struggles, food insecurities, natural disasters and petty crimes.

based on the level of disagreement human beings are highly unreliable at identifying correct political claims.........this is extremely unfortunate since it means that we have little chance of solving social problems and a good chance of creating or exacerbating them..... as highlighted in political debates on here.

political beliefs and perceptions of threat are linked.......but the relationship is nuanced.
the threat politics link depends on at least three sources of variation..... being the type of political belief, the type of threat and the political system........ i merely introduced the importance of good early education and the fact of how compromise can he ised successfully.

ulitmately people adopt political beliefs that help them fulfill particular psychological motivations........ and presently for some people right-wing ideology may be particularly well suited to help such minded people manage threat........

sitting on the fence ?........
nah, as our politics fail because time and time again our individual self-interest overrides our collective wellbeing is my answer.

as politics includes the variables of human thought and ad hoc situations there is not a consistent set of situations or conditions... nor do all people think or react alike...... so you are going to get a different answer every time often from the same person in the same situation at different times banging on about global politics.

i actually do not need a fence as i am open minded....... being willing to consider new ideas and perspectives even if they challenge my own beliefs........ which involves actively listening to and understanding different viewpoints, being receptive to new information and not being prejudiced....... a quality linked to critical thinking, better decision making, stronger relationships and greater mental adaptability for my benefit..... all abilities of merit to why i left the UK to explore my full strengths by voting with my feet.

MOT

Politics and religion are the cause of most, if not all, wars and crimes. I wonder how the WTF message of all BS about the Muslims after today's train incident, and wonder if he still loves them. Like I said to Totty, look after your families and do whatever to protect them, cause no one else cares.

[WTF11]

Politics and religion are the cause of most, if not all, wars and crimes. I wonder how the WTF message of all BS about the Muslims after today's train incident, and wonder if he still loves them. Like I said to Totty, look after your families and do whatever to protect them, cause no one else cares.

"Politics and religion are the cause of most, if not all, wars and crimes". Agreed, 100%

Not sure what the rest of that post is on about.

BBC News "The arrested men, who police described as a 32-year-old black British national and a 35-year-old British national of Caribbean descent, both born in the UK, were being questioned at separate police stations."

No mention of their religious or political affiliations/preferences, and even if they were rabid ISIS members, so what, that makes them representative of the whole of the population who would say they were muslims? I think not.

I don't "love muslims", I don't love anyone but my daughters and grandkids, the rest of humanity is there to be tolerated (or avoided, depending on my mood and their behaviour). Despite that (or perhaps because of it), unlike some, I don't tar everyone with the same brush. It was Irish nationalists who blew up British army staff in Birmingham, the Blues and Royals in Hyde Park London, and mortared Downing Street (where the PM lives). I don't hate the whole of the Irish population for any of that, only those directly responsible.

Since the large influx of refugees/asylum seekers from various parts of Eastern Europe and the Middle East/North Africa, there have been a number of attacks by those claiming some kind of affiliation with ISIS etc (bit like in your neck of the world the Lindt Cafe siege in Sydney in 2014 and the Queanbeyan stabbing in NSW in 2017). I despise those directly responsible, but does it affect my feelings towards the vast majority of muslims living and working in the UK? Not one bit, why should it? Live and let live, you should try that sometime.

[ozleeds]

"Politics and religion are the cause of most, if not all, wars and crimes". Agreed, 100%

Not sure what the rest of that post is on about.

BBC News "The arrested men, who police described as a 32-year-old black British national and a 35-year-old British national of Caribbean descent, both born in the UK, were being questioned at separate police stations."

No mention of their religious or political affiliations/preferences, and even if they were rabid ISIS members, so what, that makes them representative of the whole of the population who would say they were muslims? I think not.

I don't "love muslims", I don't love anyone but my daughters and grandkids, the rest of humanity is there to be tolerated (or avoided, depending on my mood and their behaviour). Despite that (or perhaps because of it), unlike some, I don't tar everyone with the same brush. It was Irish nationalists who blew up British army staff in Birmingham, the Blues and Royals in Hyde Park London, and mortared Downing Street (where the PM lives). I don't hate the whole of the Irish population for any of that, only those directly responsible.

Since the large influx of refugees/asylum seekers from various parts of Eastern Europe and the Middle East/North Africa, there have been a number of attacks by those claiming some kind of affiliation with ISIS etc (bit like in your neck of the world the Lindt Cafe siege in Sydney in 2014 and the Queanbeyan stabbing in NSW in 2017). I despise those directly responsible, but does it affect my feelings towards the vast majority of muslims living and working in the UK? Not one bit, why should it? Live and let live, you should try that sometime.

The rest of the post was you saying that not all Muslims are bad and you leave happening alongside of them!
Well, you obviously don't understand the Muslim world there beliefs. Another vers in their crap Bible. Be a liar and tell lies if it benefits our beliefs. Do you see what is happening outside the UK eg, Nigeria, where the Muslims are killing Christian Nigerians in droves? The same thing that happened to the Armenians and the like in the hands of the almighty Muslim Turks, whom your country and others in Europe want to bring into the useless euro fold, only for them to take over. Dude, they are taking over everywhere, and soon to be the biggest city in the world, New York will be in their hands. The western world has opened the floodgates, and hell is already here. Good luck to all, and me, luckily, I didn't bring any kids into this world.

[WTF11]

The rest of the post was you saying that not all Muslims are bad and you leave happening alongside of them!
Well, you obviously don't understand the Muslim world there beliefs. Another vers in their crap Bible. Be a liar and tell lies if it benefits our beliefs. Do you see what is happening outside the UK eg, Nigeria, where the Muslims are killing Christian Nigerians in droves? The same thing that happened to the Armenians and the like in the hands of the almighty Muslim Turks, whom your country and others in Europe want to bring into the useless euro fold, only for them to take over. Dude, they are taking over everywhere, and soon to be the biggest city in the world, New York will be in their hands. The western world has opened the floodgates, and hell is already here. Good luck to all, and me, luckily, I didn't bring any kids into this world.

So you are of the opinion that all Muslims are bad? As with all religions, zealotry and bigotry play a part in interpretations of Islam and extremists will use whatever suits their particular purpose. Go back to the Crusader wars, the hordes of Genghis Khan, pogroms in various parts of the world driven by religious intolerance, the catalyst for so much death and suffering.

I have no faith in deities, of any stripe. I take people at face value until their behaviour causes me to do otherwise.

It's a shame you feel as you do. If it's caused by personal, negative experience(s), that's still a shame but understandable. If it's swallowing the sh1te from (un)Truth and others, including the latest late night rant from the increasingly unbalanced POTUS, you have only your own gullibility to blame.

As for bringing children into this world and any implied criticism for me and my wife for having done so, my youngest is 42, so any procreation predates any rise of religious extremism driven by the interweb.

[WTF11]

Btw, now just one British-born black guy remains in custody, anti-terrorist police have been stood down as this is no longer being treated as anything to do with terrorism.

Perhaps your thoughts would be better directed towards the on-train staff member who confronted the man in custody, getting stabbed in the process and in a life-threatening condition rather than vilifying a whole religion with no EVIDENCE as to why whatsoever.

[ozleeds]

Btw, now just one British-born black guy remains in custody, anti-terrorist police have been stood down as this is no longer being treated as anything to do with terrorism.

Perhaps your thoughts would be better directed towards the on-train staff member who confronted the man in custody, getting stabbed in the process and in a life-threatening condition rather than vilifying a whole religion with no EVIDENCE as to why whatsoever.

Wtf has terrorism got to do with it? They are Muslims, and that's all they know. And yes, not one Muslim is any different, but I guess you know better till you won't. Just in Muslim in Ireland rapes ten-year-old girl, I guess he didn't know better, as Muhammad did the same, so follow the leader.
Dude, enjoy your Britain and Mr. Starmer

[Oranje White]

So the lying filthy corrupt BBC have been exposed for criminally editing a Trump speech and thus fooling all the useful idiots into an "insurrection" chorus on Jan 6. Some of us "conspiracy theorists" here knew it all along, but some, like WTF, took the bait and fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Denial incoming....5....4....3...

[WTF11]

So the lying filthy corrupt BBC have been exposed for criminally editing a Trump speech and thus fooling all the useful idiots into an "insurrection" chorus on Jan 6. Some of us "conspiracy theorists" here knew it all along, but some, like WTF, took the bait and fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Denial incoming....5....4....3...

The BBC have "been exposed" about what, and by whom? Perhaps more facts and less vitriol would be informative? Careful abiut accusing anyone of swallowing anything, you might end up looking as foolish as usual.

[WTF11]

So the lying filthy corrupt BBC have been exposed for criminally editing a Trump speech and thus fooling all the useful idiots into an "insurrection" chorus on Jan 6. Some of us "conspiracy theorists" here knew it all along, but some, like WTF, took the bait and fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Denial incoming....5....4....3...

You clearly don't know it (yet), but you really do need help.

[ozleeds]

You clearly don't know it (yet), but you really do need help.

Ok, so you self-declare you only care about your family, everyone else can get farked. So why do you suddenly care about others' health? You, sir, bring out the worst in people, so do us a favour: instead of self-diagnosing, go and get a thorough check-up!
You are the one who actually needs help.

[Oranje White]

@ WTF. So are you denying you believed the BBC's fabricated lie and swallowed the entire story? It's a simple question.

[WTF11]

@ WTF. So are you denying you believed the BBC's fabricated lie and swallowed the entire story? It's a simple question.

Do I believe that the Capital building was stormed by those of the MAGA persuasion leading to fatalities amongst federal staff?

Yes.

You would suggest that the storming didn't happen, there were no injuries and at least one fatality?

The editing was foolish and clumsy (and easily "outed") but it doesnt constitute a "fabricated lie", it doesn't take away from the sentiment Trump expressed, coming from his own mouth.

"Clutching at straws" springs to mind.

[WTF11]

Ok, so you self-declare you only care about your family, everyone else can get farked. So why do you suddenly care about others' health? You, sir, bring out the worst in people, so do us a favour: instead of self-diagnosing, go and get a thorough check-up!
You are the one who actually needs help.

Just to be clear, I don't "self diagnose", id use professional expertise if i ever thought it necessary. I just offer advice to those I think need it. Whether they take it or not is their choice.