Transfer Strategy Change

[Jammy89]

Seen that our new DoF has said we need to change transfer tack, and referenced Thaiw deal as an example.

To me that suggest we're going to start shopping abroad more.

Which makes sense when every prem club adds about ?20 million onto any player we look at.

We've also really expanded our scouting presences in Brazil, so I reckon we'll be looking there a fair bit.

[Zippity]

At which point do we start to question the ?100 million we paid for two players, one of which we don't play and the other who is shit when we do play him?

[Curian]

I reckon we need to give them a season before deciding. Gordon was not that brilliant first season if I recall. Barnes was hit and miss. Settling in period and adapting to Eddie's style and so on. So, for me not yet.

[HughieG]

At which point do we start to question the ?100 million we paid for two players, one of which we don't play and the other who is shit when we do play him?

Which players are you referencing, Zip?

[Jammy89]

I reckon we need to give them a season before deciding. Gordon was not that brilliant first season if I recall. Barnes was hit and miss. Settling in period and adapting to Eddie's style and so on. So, for me not yet.

I'd agree with this.

I think Elanga comes good personally - we're just asking him to change his entire way of playing and that takes times. Especially when you're not starting every game.

[Zippity]

Which players are you referencing, Zip?

We spent almost ?100 million on Ramsey and Elanga, Hughie.

With the best will in the world, at the minute, it looks like disastrous business.

[toptoon]

Eddie was talking up Ramsey today. We need to give it some time for both.

[Ragatino]

both lads Elanga and Ramsey were purchased at the right age. Both under 25 and still have a lot of potential to fulfil, whilst also showing they can perform at Premier League level with Forest and Villa respectively.

2 seasons ago the vast majority of the fan base were fuming at the 'money wasted' on Hall and Liveramento. Today the same fans are paranoid about losing these same two lads to competitors as they are in the first names on the team sheet.

Not to say that Elanga and Ramsey will go on to be as invaluable to the team as our two young fullbacks but in a world of instant gratification it's easy to write things off when comparing them to others who have hit the ground running.

Going more in to detail.

People need to remember Ramsey is just 24 yrs old.
Ramsey was a Villa lad, he joined Villa ages 6. 18 yrs the training ground and club must have felt like home, not to mention living around his friends and family in the midlands. Moving up to the Toon, no matter how well adjusted that's a big shift for some people.

The early ankle injury certainly didn't help. He looked very lively and carried a threat in that early showing before the injury. It's clear he's a talented ambitious young man who will no doubt have a great career at the club.

Elanga - 23 yrs old.
Elanga was electric against Barcelona. The lad is apparently having some challenges with his personal life. Wife's heavily pregnant. Those with kids will understand the psychology of the average 3rd trimester female. Some women have particularly difficult pregnancies. I can only imagine what that situation must be like when your day to day job is competing at the elite level of Football in the worlds most challenging and competitive league.

Getting up, fighting traffic, get to the office or heading to site to build a studio is bad enough. Having to be 'On It' in training after 3 hrs over night in the hospital with the missus, getting just 2 or 3 hrs sleep is gonna be a nigh-on impossible.

These young men need to afforded a bit of patience and support to enable them to flourish. Yes, a lot of money was spent but they've both got the experience at young ages Ramsey 137 appearances for Villa & 6 for the Toon so far whilst Elanga has 113 for the filth and Forest combined and 14 outings in B&W thus far.

It's all there for both of them to have very successful careers at Newcastle.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water just yet chaps.

[Ragatino]

Continuing on from the above.

I am pleased to see the club spreading their recruitment net wider and looking for value on the continent and further a field.

Mitchell also wanted to do this but I get the feeling his 'not fit for purpose' comments were related to the stringent 'No d**k head' policy and Eddie Howe's insistence on knowing the players character rather than signing from over season.

The myth that Howe only wanted 'Prem Players' is just another dumb, lazy, factually incorrect slight aimed at the manager by the bedwetting 'Howe Out Brigade'.

Bruno, Sandro, Sven, 14, Thiaw, Woltemade.

Here is 5 key players and 14 that prove the contrary. Our Club captain FFS is a Brazilian signed from France in one of the first major actions Eddie took in the market.

Sandro from Italy in a key summer before the UCL as our marque signing, not a Prem Option even considered.

14 - Spain. Not English, No Prem experience.

Thiaw & Woltemade in the last window for the 2 key positions the club needed to cover.

Going forward, We're looking at some tasty young Brazilian talent direct from the motherland, fresh off the boat signing at more cost effective transfer fees has to be applauded should the club succeed in those transfers.

I'm all for it. As is the manager by all accounts.

[Jammy89]

On this note - We've just announced a new scout over-seeing all Brazilan scounting.

Worked with Wilson at Forest apperently.

[HughieG]

We spent almost ?100 million on Ramsey and Elanga, Hughie.

With the best will in the world, at the minute, it looks like disastrous business.

Absolutely - Elanga was a gamble in my opinion. Players can have a remarkable single season sometimes, but can he reproduce what he did at Forest?

I have more faith in Ramsey coming good at some point, to be honest. Hope I'm wrong about them and they will go on to have great careers!

[Ragatino]

Absolutely - Elanga was a gamble in my opinion. Players can have a remarkable single season sometimes, but can he reproduce what he did at Forest?

I have more faith in Ramsey coming good at some point, to be honest. Hope I'm wrong about them and they will go on to have great careers!

I don't doubt that Elanga will come good. He was a really highly rated player in the filth academy. He left to Forest due to the disarray at the swamp.

He's got a lot of potential and is only 23. I get the feeling that, like Ramsey, he's trying too hard. Trying to do things too quickly and needs to relax into the role. The expectations of Newcastle United are far higher than Forest. There is a real pressure for positions in the squad and it's different from Forest where Elanga was nailed on to start on the right under Nuno.

He'll never be Ronaldinho, that kind of player with the close control, its not his game. He's not that kind of a winger.

However, he's still a decent player who's shown that he is capable of contributing goals and assists at the Premier League level. At his age, there he has scope develop into a much better player than current showings.

With Murph in his 30s, We'll see another right winger brought in. Rayan Vitor the young Brazilian striker from Vasco players off the right, left foot dominant.

Reports have stated that the club are aggressive in their pursuit of 21 yr old Allan Elias from Palmeiras

https://www.transfermarkt.com/allan/profil/spieler/1082631

Allan, also plays right midfield but is primarily a No.10. Again like Rayan, he's left footed, something we don't have in the squad apart from BDB and Hall, none of the attacking or midfield players have a left peg. If the finances make sense signing them both would be great.

From the January post

IN

Rayan Vitor - Vasco de Gama
Kees Smit - AZ Alkmaar
Abdelhamid Ait Boudlal - Stade Rennais
Oscar Mingueza - Celta de Vigo

OUT
Krafth, Willock, Osula.

Bringing in Allan and Rayan would be great. I does appear that Smit will go for around 50m Euro and the Euro cartel are all in for him. He'll no doubt make a bad decision and go ruin his career at Chelsea or sit on the bench for 3 yrs at Madrid. However, it would be excellent to get Smit in with the two Brazilian youngsters.

[Nufcian]

I thought Elanga had his best game yet at the weekend… that said, it was Burnley. All due respect he should be causing teams in the bottom half trouble, and in all fairness to them they have it a proper go… and nearly snatched a point at the death… but that means there was space to run into… but his delivery was much better, and that’s regardless of opposition… so fingers crossed.

I think Ramsey will come good, as much as I thought Willock had a decent game at the weekend that’s his best… Ramsey had a much higher ceiling (imo) but he needs to be playing in a more solid midfield to really showcase his talent… it was his injury prone history not his ability that I questioned when we signed him… but is he falling foul of Eddie’s reluctance to not play his favourite/probably strongest midfield whenever possible? That’s changed recently… but for me it should be out of Bruno/Big Joe/Tonali and Ramsey/Miley coming in… Willock is way out third for me… and out of contract in the summer I think (maybe we are window dressing him?)

On the subject of selecting midfielders… how the f**k did we let Anderson go?

He’s showing he’s a top midfielder, but going back Howe was choosing Longstaff over Tonali in that spot even… Anderson didn’t get a look in really… that raises big questions when we see what he is capable of for me… imagine if we had him rotating with Tonali on a regular basis?

[Jammy89]

On the subject of selecting midfielders?… how the f**k did we let Anderson go?

Cos we were being ****ed by PSR and risked a points deduction if we didn't balance the books.

But yes, I agree with you in what your saying about how he's come ****ing amazing.

[Sclox]

Personally I think Wissa for 55 mill at 29yo is more of a concern than Elanga and Ramsey.