Transfer Strategy Change

[Zippity]

Personally I think Wissa for 55 mill at 29yo is more of a concern than Elanga and Ramsey.

Yep.

Having said that, we were in an absolute bind and had little choice. Let's just be grateful that we din't pay the 55 mil we offered Wolves for Strand Larsen.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Personally I think Wissa for 55 mill at 29yo is more of a concern than Elanga and Ramsey.

If Wissa can stay fit for the rest of his top career, say 3-4 seasons, then the additional goals he could put in could really take us places.

Look back at the end of his days here and value his goals and then make decision.

[Ragatino]

Clearly we need to bring in some reinforcements in Jan.

With BDB out for months, a full back is a must and we'll need to get Botman back to fitness.

I would like to see the club pull the trigger on the:

Abdelhamid Ait Boudlal - Stade Rennais
Oscar Mingueza - Celta de Vigo

A quality young CB & a much needed quality fullback.

The Brazilian season is over. @Topperz, you're in Brazil right? They play a nuts 2 part season don't they? Some bizarre regional competition and then a KO or something? How does that work???

Rayan Vitor - Vasco de Gama

and a few of the other Brazilian targets would be smart buys in Jan.

Pulling off the signing of Kees Smit - AZ Alkmaar would be a major coup in Jan too!

Also add much needed guile, drive and technical quality to our midfield.

[toptoon]

They play a lot of football - even more than europe. It starts with the State Championships, so all teams big and small in every state in the country play to be champions (various formats, depending on the state). Then starts the Brasileir?o (Brazilian Championship), Copa do Brasil and Libertadores (and Copa Sul Americana - equivalent to Europa League).
Flamengo (whove almost won the lot) season finishes tomorrow playing PSG in the final of the Intercontinental cup.
Vasco have the 2 leg final of the Copa do Brasil to play v Corinthians yet this wedk.

Of course there are loads of class players here but many dont transfer well to Europe so Im often reluctant to give opinions. For example, Igor Jesus was class at Botofogo but has been just OK at Forest do far.

[Ragatino]

They play a lot of football - even more than europe. It starts with the State Championships, so all teams big and small in every state in the country play to be champions (various formats, depending on the state). Then starts the Brasileir?o (Brazilian Championship), Copa do Brasil and Libertadores (and Copa Sul Americana - equivalent to Europa League).
Flamengo (whove almost won the lot) season finishes tomorrow playing PSG in the final of the Intercontinental cup.
Vasco have the 2 leg final of the Copa do Brasil to play v Corinthians yet this wedk.

Of course there are loads of class players here but many dont transfer well to Europe so Im often reluctant to give opinions. For example, Igor Jesus was class at Botofogo but has been just OK at Forest do far.

Thanks for the info mate. I wasn't sure how it all worked. I knew it was like a 2 part season. Interesting that the regional minnows get a shot at the big boys. Would be quality to buy one of those smaller clubs and do a bit of Giant killing! haha

What are your thoughts of the Brazilian lads we have been linked with?

[toptoon]

All good players but, like I said, it all depends if they can adapt to English football and, as a lot of it is mental, it?s hard to say without knowing them, personally.

Im doing a Raga at the moment - sitting waiting for a plane, that takes off right on kick- off so Ill miss the game.🙁

[Ragatino]

All good players but, like I said, it all depends if they can adapt to English football and, as a lot of it is mental, it?s hard to say without knowing them, personally.

Im doing a Raga at the moment - sitting waiting for a plane, that takes off right on kick- off so Ill miss the game.��

I spent 14 hrs at Sao Paolo airport and watched a district of the city burn the whole time. That was about 15 yrs ago... damn! how time flies.

Yeah I guess it is whether the player can adjust to life in England it's such a change from Rio or Sao, let along Natal or Recife. My brief travels through Brazil I'd say Curitiba was most familiar as a Northerner.

However, it's still miles away from England, it had a more industrial feel and the weather was more clement.

Bruno and Joelinton have adjusted, should we bring in young Brazilian talent, you'd hope that the lads would help them settle in.

[toptoon]

I spent 14 hrs at Sao Paolo airport and watched a district of the city burn the whole time. That was about 15 yrs ago... damn! how time flies.

Yeah I guess it is whether the player can adjust to life in England it's such a change from Rio or Sao, let along Natal or Recife. My brief travels through Brazil I'd say Curitiba was most familiar as a Northerner.

However, it's still miles away from England, it had a more industrial feel and the weather was more clement.

Bruno and Joelinton have adjusted, should we bring in young Brazilian talent, you'd hope that the lads would help them settle in.

Curitiba - more akin to southern England. Londrina, nearby, was named after London. Not surprisingly I live in the region most like northern England, certainly weather wise. Up to a dozen hard frosts per winter not uncommon in the coldest part of the country; on the high plain of Santa Catarina.

[Nufcian]

Cos we were being ****ed by PSR and risked a points deduction if we didn't balance the books.

But yes, I agree with you in what your saying about how he's come ****ing amazing.

I get that part Jammy, and I didn’t explain what I was thinking, but what about our training and coaching is so poor that they didn’t recognise the potential Anderson had? My thoughts… Longstaff was still an Eddie favourite at the time, but Elliot hit the ground running at Forest and never looked back.

How did we not recognise his ability/potential… and sell of someone else? £15M could have been raised elsewhere surely.

[Ragatino]

I get that part Jammy, and I didn?’t explain what I was thinking, but what about our training and coaching is so poor that they didn?’t recognise the potential Anderson had? My thoughts?… Longstaff was still an Eddie favourite at the time, but Elliot hit the ground running at Forest and never looked back.

How did we not recognise his ability/potential?… and sell of someone else? £15M could have been raised elsewhere surely.

Sadly it was a case of time being against the club and it was a fire sale. Eddie has said on multiple occasions that he never wanted to lose Elliot. He was a big part of his plans but it was a case of needs must.

I can see him staying at Forest, running his contract down to the last season and then resign for the Toon.

[Jammy89]

I get that part Jammy, and I didn?’t explain what I was thinking, but what about our training and coaching is so poor that they didn?’t recognise the potential Anderson had? My thoughts?… Longstaff was still an Eddie favourite at the time, but Elliot hit the ground running at Forest and never looked back.

How did we not recognise his ability/potential?… and sell of someone else? £15M could have been raised elsewhere surely.

I think it comes down to clubs knowing we were desperate - could we have got ?15 million for Longstaff, yes, but clubs wouldn't offer that as they knew we needed cash.

[Nufcian]

I think it comes down to clubs knowing we were desperate - could we have got ?15 million for Longstaff, yes, but clubs wouldn't offer that as they knew we needed cash.

I can’t believe we got to the final week and suddenly realised we were 15M short… the club would have known their financial status for a long time… the figures come out in Jan for the season they are reporting/ensuring balance on… they had plenty of time to work it out… Longstaff, Targett, Willock.

We also brought in Vlachidimos for £20m, so would have been paying the first year of that deal too in the period… so it wasn’t even £15m that would be showing on the books.

[Nufcian]

Sadly it was a case of time being against the club and it was a fire sale. Eddie has said on multiple occasions that he never wanted to lose Elliot. He was a big part of his plans but it was a case of needs must.

I can see him staying at Forest, running his contract down to the last season and then resign for the Toon.

He’ll get a new contract at Forest at somepoint or be gone for a big fee before his contract expires (July ‘29)

He’ll probably be on very low wages and playing for England he’s in a good position to get a hefty wage hike… going 3 years on £40k/week as a full international is a lot to ask of him.

Oh… typo above and it should say £35m 🤦*♂️

[Ragatino]

I can’t believe we got to the final week and suddenly realised we were 15M short…

If I remember correctly. It was closer to 60m quid over PSR limit.

The net was 15m but the gross price which was booked against the PSR was closer to 35m + the 33m for Minteh.