The bed wetters favourites

[Ragatino]

So there is a loud minority of keyboard warriors and podcast ranters going red in the face screaming at the screen, insisting the manager who's brought Champions League football back to the toon twice in 4 yrs and won a trophy for the first time in 70 needs to get out of the club immediately, with extreme prejudice.

Kicked out, belongings thrown on the floor.

The more sensible through to the happy clappers amongst us, ask the question "Who should replace him?'

The two Prem Darlings touted by the bedwetters are Andoni Iraola, the Bournemouth manager and Oliver Glasner.

These are the two candidates lauded as the savours of the season and the two men, the tactical genius geniuses, far beyond the levels of Eddie Howe.

Give ya heads a wobble.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. All these bed wetters need to do is take a look at the results, facts and listen to Palace & Bournemouth fans socials to get the real story about these two.

Starting with the nipple himself Iraola.

The man has never won anything in his career.
The two rocks at the centre of defence for the Cheeries sold.
Last 6 - L,D,D,D,L,D - 4 points from 18.
15th - 23 points -6 goal difference.

Ridiculous.

On to Glasner

Credit where it's due. The man had a very successful first season in the Palace job. Disappointingly he won London's also ran, the shi!te non London football club's shoe, the FA cup. Palace's first every trophy. I don't begrudge any fan base outside of the cartel their success.

However, I always argue "If Palace wasn't in Croydon but say 150miles outside of London they'd be a League 2 team. The only reason they manage to attract decent players is due to their proximity to the capital."

Palace are a nothing club.

Last 6 - L,W,W,L,L,L - 6 points from 18.
3 losses in a row ahead of the Fulham match at Selhurt sh1te

Having seen a few Palace matches, I don't watch them and think "Wow, that guy is a tactical genius."

Clearly he's a decent manager, however, it's once again a case of smart recruitment from Palace. Wharton a quality player. Palace has always been able to do attract decent players on their way to a Cartel club.

As the Austrian man is not signing a contract extension no doubt he'll get his chance at a bigger club in the Prem or on the continent. It's almost perfectly set up for him to be the next manager to destroy their career at Old Trafford, once Scam-o-Rimjob is finally sacked by Ineos.

No doubt he'll got through the same 18-24 month career demise cycle at the swamp and fall foul to the folly of the filth.

Hailed as the 2nd coming of Jesus. Within 6 months Saeed TV, Goldbrick the nasally coward, United stand et al will be screaming into their webcams calling him a Fraud and a demanding his sack.

Good luck to them all.

Simply put, two sayings come to mind.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water
&
Be careful what you wish for

Stability and consistency are key to success. Detonating 4 yrs of work and development over some honking away match performances won't suddenly turn this team into a title contender.

Another saying comes to mind.

The only thing worse than not getting what you want, is, getting it.

The baying hoards demanding a managers head get what they want at other clubs, they used to get 'new manager bounce'.

In this modern Premier League, the last few seasons, that phenomenon just hasn't been as prevalent at all.

Better the devil you know.

In Eddie we trust!

[TANYA_]

people have opinions mate,

i have said I'm on the fence with Eddie and he has done nothing to change my mind as yet.

I don't see myself as a bed wetter or keyboard warrior or happy clapper, but i do have eyes.

The manager can not live in a bubble forever and use the same excuses some of the fans are
constantly giving him

he saved us from certain relegation
took us to 2 cup finals
got us in the champions league twice
won a cup

despite all of those achievements, the performances have not been good enough,

we have played well against Liverpool, Barcelona, Everton and a half against Chelsea THAT IS IT.

if we were honest, the performances last season were not brilliant either and i believe it comes from

Bunce joining the club as some sort of performance guru who's sole mission is to stop the players getting

injured and fatigued. His arrival has coincided with the end to our relentless pressing that actually

got our club the achievements i have mentioned above, people forget that.

My biggest concern is Eddie trying to plss on my back and telling me its raining.

I can see there is no press anymore, yet he denies it, he said we played well and defensively sound against the scum.

The press conferences may as well be held by JK Rowling or Kier Starmer because its pure fantasy and lies.

He will do more damage trying to fill the fans full of Disney land rather than hold his hands up

and simply tell the truth or take accountability. We can all see the press we employed

against PSG the first time, or when we were 4 up against Spurs within 20 mins is gone, THAT is the press which

brought us our success and that is a million miles away from what we are being served up every week now.

The players have fallen off a cliff, inconsistencies in performance, subs are replacing like for like,

there is no creativity in midfield, no plan B, no ability to tactically outclass opponents.

rank poorly in certain defensive metrics, such as tackles and interceptions made per match

(third worst in the league for tackles made at one point).

We have also conceded more counter-attacking shots in some periods, averaged only 0.6 points per game

away from home for a period, a sharp decline from 1.7 points per game the previous season.

He refuses to evolve his midfield, the current set up lacks a creative spark needed to break down teams.

Gordons body language is a disgrace, he doesn't track back, 0 goals from open play for a year, 1 assist in a year

and he gets picked every time.

We have dropped 13+ points from winning positions, conceded the most goals in the last 10 mins

Have a dreadful away form, Spunked 55m+ on Elanga, 45m+ on Ramsey and does not play to their strengths.

I hear that certain senior players behind the scenes are unhappy at the club and have expressed their concerns

about team selection and tactical setup.

I really do hope Eddie can get the club performing again and get us out of this slump, but i

also think he has reached his ceiling and does not have the tactical knowhow when it comes to playing

a 3 game week for a season and that is what separates good coaches to elite ones.

If he gets the chop, i don't want the Bournemouth or Palace managers either.

The owners need to share some of the blame too, the effectively gave Anderson away for free because

of their oversight on finances, knew Isak was promised a new contract, the summer was a disgrace and its showing.


Personally, i think Eddie will be away in the summer, maybe for the England job.

[Ragatino]

people have opinions mate,

i have said I'm on the fence with Eddie and he has done nothing to change my mind as yet.

I don't see myself as a bed wetter or keyboard warrior or happy clapper, but i do have eyes.

The manager can not live in a bubble forever and use the same excuses some of the fans are
constantly giving him

he saved us from certain relegation
took us to 2 cup finals
got us in the champions league twice
won a cup

despite all of those achievements, the performances have not been good enough,

Performances haven't been pretty agreed it's horrible to watch at times. Points win prizes. Last season after 19 games NUFC were on 32 points and this season 26 points.

he saved us from certain relegation
took us to 2 cup finals
got us in the champions league twice
won a cup

Whilst you clearly recognise Eddie's achievements, it does seem to be matter of fact when these achievements against the spending power of the cartel and the middle order of Premier League Stalwarts shouldn't be under estimated.

Difference this season is the challenge of how to replace a 20+ goal a season striker. We know that. Changes in the summer have lead to where we are.

Despite being sh!te that lad are still current situation is 6 points off 4 position.

we have played well against Liverpool, Barcelona, Everton and a half against Chelsea THAT IS IT.

if we were honest, the performances last season were not brilliant either and i believe it comes from

Bunce joining the club as some sort of performance guru who's sole mission is to stop the players getting

injured and fatigued. His arrival has coincided with the end to our relentless pressing that actually

got our club the achievements i have mentioned above, people forget that.

I'd say we've only been poor against Marseille in the UCL. Battered USG, the better team against Leverkusen. Just naivety at being relative new comers to the Champions League.

November perfectly summed up the current situation howling 3-1 defeats to West Ham & Brentford followed by a quality performance seeing out the 2-1 win against Man City & the Everton thrashing.

This are gonna be up and down whilst the squad absorbs the new lads fully and they find a way to replace the 20+ goals lost.

My biggest concern is Eddie trying to plss on my back and telling me its raining.

I can see there is no press anymore, yet he denies it, he said we played well and defensively sound against the scum.

The press conferences may as well be held by JK Rowling or Kier Starmer because its pure fantasy and lies.

He will do more damage trying to fill the fans full of Disney land rather than hold his hands up

and simply tell the truth or take accountability. We can all see the press we employed

against PSG the first time, or when we were 4 up against Spurs within 20 mins is gone, THAT is the press which

brought us our success and that is a million miles away from what we are being served up every week now.

The style of play was possible in a season of 1 game a week. The levels of fitness required to do twice a week, week in, week out, are clearly unachievable. Certainly with this current squad. A lot of the squad are over 30 and that is something that is being addressed in each window. Doesn't happen overnight though.

In a recent press conference Eddie was asked about things. The fan channels, NUFC Talk TV, Ever More, Toon Review etc all hold the same opinion as you mate.

Eddie's response to the journo's questions was (I'm paraphrasing) "Whilst I review the past performances multiple times I prefer to focus on the positives and look forward.

There is no benefit in my openly criticising any of the players individually, as the manager I have to maintain the relationship with the group and keep the players focused and motivated."

- In short, what he says to the press in public is completely different to what is no doubt said behind closed doors. From the small amount of behind the scenes footage we've seen of Eddie in training the guy doesn't pull any punches. No doubt the players will have felt the wrath of his anger and some of these appalling, spineless performances.

That fact that we're all in varying levels of disappointment at the current state of affairs, having what most consider the worst season since the take over and still 6 wins off 4th place is once again credit to the manager for not letting the inconsistencies become a complete and total collapse, Like the red filth or Spurs last season.

The players have fallen off a cliff, inconsistencies in performance, subs are replacing like for like,

there is no creativity in midfield, no plan B, no ability to tactically outclass opponents.

rank poorly in certain defensive metrics, such as tackles and interceptions made per match

(third worst in the league for tackles made at one point).

We have also conceded more counter-attacking shots in some periods, averaged only 0.6 points per game

away from home for a period, a sharp decline from 1.7 points per game the previous season.

He refuses to evolve his midfield, the current set up lacks a creative spark needed to break down teams.

The midfield is the same 3 that were heralded as 'The best Midfield in the Prem last season.' There was no concern about the lack of creativity. Even with No.14 the same issues persisted against the teams that sit deep.

What seems to be completely ignored by the Eddie out brigade is that this is the Premier League. There is no easy teams. Even Woeful Wolves should have beaten the red filth last night. They were unlucky to only take a point at OT. Saying that Man U played a far more open game against Wolves than the 6-4-0 they played against Newcastle United. Such is the fear that this misfiring off form team strikes in the hearts of the Cartel, they park two buses in front of the goal.

The points per game average is a very valid comment but this season's stats are all down on last season.

At the half way point, it's clear that this season is not going to be the step up from the 5th place last season. However, it's still on track. 11th in the UCL 2 to play. Semi-Final of the Carabao. Spitting distance to the Champions League spots in the league, regardless of performances.

Gordons body language is a disgrace, he doesn't track back, 0 goals from open play for a year, 1 assist in a year

and he gets picked every time.

We have dropped 13+ points from winning positions, conceded the most goals in the last 10 mins

Have a dreadful away form, Spunked 55m+ on Elanga, 45m+ on Ramsey and does not play to their strengths.

[Ragatino]

A lot of things rolled into one here.

- Gordon I agree. Dunno what's got into the lad. He's turning into a prima donna. That will come back to haunt him.

- Dropped points - no argument. From warriors to weaklings. The battling sh1t houses to point surrendering betas. That's something for the leadership group need to restore to the group.

- Away form is terrible. Again with the loss of late goals and points dropped - The leadership group and the squad a whole need to stand up and be men about this. It's easy to blame the manager but the men that cross the white line are ultimately responsible for the down turn in attitude to hold leads, seeing out matches and getting points on the road.

- Elanga and Ramsey. Joelinton and Jacob Murphy. It took those two lads 3 or more years to come good. The manager has said openly that he hasn't got the time to train the evolved tactics into the squad due to the grueling schedule of games and the summer being such a sh1t show. An explanation, not a excuse. The adaptation to Eddie's tactics for the new lads clearly more time than expect experienced Premier League players to do so.

Ramsey got a brutal ankle injury at the start of his career and had to sit out for months. Not ideal. As with Elanga, watching Jacob, there is a clear feeling of a young professional trying too hard. Tense, snatching at shots etc. This is a lad who was at Villa since he was 8. New club, new city and the North East is a long way culturally from Birmingham.

It's easy to forget that these guys are all humans and Elanga's partner is having a challenging pregnancy. Dunno if anyone else has had kids but Women are just Angels when pregaz. It's tough enough for normal folks, lord knows what it's like for an elite athlete having rush the missus to hospital at 3 am because she's got a serious bout of trapped wind and thinks she's having a miscarriage.

That being said. A lot of money invested for little return at this point is a valid comment.

I hear that certain senior players behind the scenes are unhappy at the club and have expressed their concerns

about team selection and tactical setup.

I really do hope Eddie can get the club performing again and get us out of this slump, but i

also think he has reached his ceiling and does not have the tactical knowhow when it comes to playing

a 3 game week for a season and that is what separates good coaches to elite ones.

A scrappy 1-3 away win, some confidence built on the road. A learning experience. The 2nd season of playing Wednesday/Saturday week in, week out. The one thing that Howe has shown in his 4 seasons at NUFC is that he learns.

If he gets the chop, i don't want the Bournemouth or Palace managers either.

The owners need to share some of the blame too, the effectively gave Anderson away for free because

of their oversight on finances, knew Isak was promised a new contract, the summer was a disgrace and its showing.

Personally, i think Eddie will be away in the summer, maybe for the England job.

To sum up.

Earlier this year. Eddie Howe was in Intensive Care with Pneumonia. The man needed a good break to rest and recuperate. He got 2 days before the whole summer plan was set on fire by the DoF deciding to resign. Mitchell took a salary for the whole season only to walk out a week before the window opened. What a C**t.

The fans the go on to blame the manager for new players not immediately playing like peak Ronaldinho.

The man who thought it was a great idea to allow the DoF to walk days before the transfer window opens the former CEO swanned around on a sympathy tour for 10months after his diagnosis for blood cancer.

The cause and effect are simple.

Cause - Summer - all of it, we know what happened
Effect - inconsistent season results. disquiet/ripples of disharmony in the squad

Solution - Keep working on developing the squad in a positive manner, gain the confidence wins bring.
Win more matches, get more points (obvs).
Ross Wilson to bring in some reinforcements in early in the January window.
Stick with the lads and keep supporting them through this rough time.
The 2nd half of the season last year was when they kicked on

[Ragatino]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ccQ-Is6O0

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🥳⚽ Reaction to Burnley Vs Newcastle United💥Happy New Year 🥳

These lads an hour and 20 in speaking facts.

The team are with the manager and it will improve.

[Curian]

That's probably the best discussion on here regarding the current situation I have read. A good read to boot! Both very honest and well delivered. I think that you are both right as it is not as simple as some folk think.

I think if Eddie is given a larger core team with some quality players in the January transfer window, then that might be the turning point.

Anyway, as I said, a really good read, thanks both.

[Ragatino]

That's probably the best discussion on here regarding the current situation I have read. A good read to boot! Both very honest and well delivered. I think that you are both right as it is not as simple as some folk think.

I think if Eddie is given a larger core team with some quality players in the January transfer window, then that might be the turning point.

Anyway, as I said, a really good read, thanks both.

I can't speak for Tanya but I appreciate your comments Curian mate.

It's one of the reasons why I've stayed with this message board through all the outages for best part of a decade now.

The group of people who share the fraternity of Dan's Domain have the ability to air their differences of opinion without things turning toxic and abusive.

There is a level of maturity and respect in the discussion that is completely lost in the Main on more populous social media platforms.

It's one of the reasons why I chose the provocative title for this thread. The Term "Bed Wetters" and their counter part "Happy Clappers" has become the titles of the two opposing camps on a given subject related to the club. Well, all clubs across the league I guess.

[TANYA_]

mate, i genuinely appreciate your involvement on here, im actually glad there is a debate

that is just too much butter on my bread to even go through all that in one go

so i have just skimmed it, my taxi is on the way for new year.

when you keep quoting me and replying to your own posts when i cant

get a word in edge ways. I will debate you any time because we are fans, but give me a chance to reply

before you double and treble down.

Im not against you mate, i just have a different opinion to you.

I dont need to see your links to "youtubers" i have got eyes mate and i dont watch those people.

the "Eddie was in hospital last year with pneumonia" is a non starter straight away.

He manages a football team, he is not given free reign and no accountability?

You mentioned "spending power"

villa, sunderland, brentford, everton, all spent much less than us, play better football than us

show more heart than us and are all above us in the league.

Brentford have been plundered for years and had their best players taken ffs

Villa are doing it playing on a thursday and sunday every week!


Anyhoo, happy new year mate and everyone on here, i will catch up Raga tomorrow

[toptoon]

Yes - a top debate above.
We are having a poor season, not playing well generally and the players seem to be mainly out of form.
Its important to remember that weve had several periods like this over the last few seasons although perhaps for not quite so long.
Eddies been doubted before and turned things around proving his doubters wrong. Can he keep doing it?
Personally I think he can and Im expecting a much better season from now on once our volume of games drops. The challenge he needs to overcome in the future is getting us to play well in a CL season. It seems his day to day, heavily training based style of management isnt suitable to a heavy fixture list and so he needs to evolve.

[Zippity]

Aye, a good debate, lads.

TT has nailed it, too.

The key word is 'evolve'. If Eddie doesn't, then it won't end well. His biggest problem, for me, is his inflexibility, whether that's in terms of his formations, his team selections or his in-game management.

We're far too predictable and teams have worked us out-and, when we need to make changes, his substitutions are often too late and involve replacing like for like.

I've heard the phrase 'transitional season' bandied about an awful lot but that just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, we were built around a rat who left and we've had to adapt our style to cope with the extra games but should that take a whole season?? It doesn't explain the awful passing, the listless performances, the lack of fight and ability to turn a deficit around.

Eddie definitely needs to take a share of the blame for some or all of the above but he has it in him, imo, to turm it around. Not only that but, for me, he has earned the right to try. He has given us some incredible memories and, for most of us, the first trophy we've seen in our lifetimes. We can't just abandon the man who has done so much for the team, the fans and the city all because we've hit a tricky spot. And yes, it's more than a 'spot' and no, you can't ignore the present and the future just because of the past for too long.

But now is the time to pull together, not fall apart.

[Jammy89]

Aye - as said, brilliant debate - great to see.

Good points from both sides.

Agree on Zip's point, Eddie has to evolve but equally he has to have time - which I think the board will give him.

I think that sadly, once we're out of either FA Cup, Carabo Cup or CL and Eddie has more time on the training pitch, we'll see a massive up-tick.

[Ragatino]

Aye, a good debate, lads.

TT has nailed it, too.

The key word is 'evolve'. If Eddie doesn't, then it won't end well. His biggest problem, for me, is his inflexibility, whether that's in terms of his formations, his team selections or his in-game management.

We're far too predictable and teams have worked us out-and, when we need to make changes, his substitutions are often too late and involve replacing like for like.

I've heard the phrase 'transitional season' bandied about an awful lot but that just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, we were built around a rat who left and we've had to adapt our style to cope with the extra games but should that take a whole season?? It doesn't explain the awful passing, the listless performances, the lack of fight and ability to turn a deficit around.

Eddie definitely needs to take a share of the blame for some or all of the above but he has it in him, imo, to turm it around. Not only that but, for me, he has earned the right to try. He has given us some incredible memories and, for most of us, the first trophy we've seen in our lifetimes. We can't just abandon the man who has done so much for the team, the fans and the city all because we've hit a tricky spot. And yes, it's more than a 'spot' and no, you can't ignore the present and the future just because of the past for too long.

But now is the time to pull together, not fall apart.

I agree with all of this. Toppers comments and the frustration on things from Tanya.

That's the nuts thing about the current situation. It's a **** situation and things need to improve. I don't like things any more than the next man. It's hardly what I call entertaining to sit through the grueling 90 mins of terrible football game after game.

Clearly I'd prefer playing well, losing a few but with good football but right now gotta be pragmatic and trust that the lads turn the corner sooner than later.