Player loans? How do they work legally?

[Marat18]

How player loans actually work? Does the player sign an additional contract with other club? Or its like a business trip the company sends you to?

From what I read about North America sport, the players there can be traded between teams without player’s consent (kind of) within the length of the current contract.

Im sick of these c@nts of players that dont respect the club who paid a hefty fee for them, believed in them, made them the player they are. Usually it ends with a “smaller” club getting bullied with low ball fee.

I think it should be dealt with somehow. The players sign long term contracts to protect them in case of injuries or if they underperform. But the moment they overperform they down tools and demand transfer.

We have 3 years of this b!tch’s service, can we send him to Saudi club to a business trip for 3 years?
Al Hilal got Nunez on 400k/week on 3 years contract, we have Isak on 150, thats 250x52 = 13mln saved for any interested club. For 3 years it is 39mln. Plus 110mln Liverpool bid to be considered as “competitive” fee. 149 mlns total from Al Hilal or Al Nasr and we have a deal thats reasonable and competitive from any check regarding value and deal length.

Come on, even to Liverpool - can we take their 110mln and say here is 3 years of him on a cheap deal - take it for extra 30mln?

Can we set up a precedent?

[Ragatino]

How player loans actually work? Does the player sign an additional contract with other club? Or its like a business trip the company sends you to?

From what I read about North America sport, the players there can be traded between teams without player’s consent (kind of) within the length of the current contract.

Im sick of these c@nts of players that dont respect the club who paid a hefty fee for them, believed in them, made them the player they are. Usually it ends with a “smaller” club getting bullied with low ball fee.

I think it should be dealt with somehow. The players sign long term contracts to protect them in case of injuries or if they underperform. But the moment they overperform they down tools and demand transfer.

We have 3 years of this b!tch’s service, can we send him to Saudi club to a business trip for 3 years?
Al Hilal got Nunez on 400k/week on 3 years contract, we have Isak on 150, thats 250x52 = 13mln saved for any interested club. For 3 years it is 39mln. Plus 110mln Liverpool bid to be considered as “competitive” fee. 149 mlns total from Al Hilal or Al Nasr and we have a deal thats reasonable and competitive from any check regarding value and deal length.

Come on, even to Liverpool - can we take their 110mln and say here is 3 years of him on a cheap deal - take it for extra 30mln?

Can we set up a precedent?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/loan-soccer-rules-regulations-temporary-football-transfer/cda19b81658efa57b2e6bee9

This is pretty good in terms of how loans work. Not the most in depth. If you can track it down, I'd recommend 'https://priceoffootball.com/' podcast episode on Loans and player trades between Associated parties.

With regard to loaning the player to a PiF Saudi club, yes. It can happen. The loaning club can and will pick up the full wages should that agreement be reached between the two clubs.

However, the club's asset amortises (he's price on our books gets less) but also not scoring goals in the Prem / UCL his value would also be affected.

If the player decides to grenade his career and absolutely refuses to play for NUFC again after Sept. 1st. The real loser is him. The club can and no doubt will seek legal action against him. He is contracted to play, the club & manager have acted in good faith through out and provided a way back to first team football with the squad.

As it stands it's the player and more importantly his criminal agent that is pushing his client into breach of contract.

Tomorrow Isak will receive his first fine of the season. It could be as much as a full weeks salary. When & If he misses the Liverpool match which no doubt he will, he will be fined once again.

I don't know how the fines work, if there is a frame work in terms of amounts / percentage against wages for the first fine if there is a guidelines in which the fine increase as the player continues to breach his contract. Whether each is a full week salary or if it starts at like 20k and increases.

Either way all this 'I'll never play for Newcastle United again' is nonsense.

I don't expect the club to change their mind and he will bean NUFC player next season. I don't expect him to sit out the whole season either.

My guess is that by the Sept international break he'll be reintegrated into the squad.

Happened with Harry Kane, Cabaye, C.Ronaldo, Suarez and several others who tried and failed to force moves out of clubs when they all lots of time left on their contract.

[Marat18]

With regard to loaning the player to a PiF Saudi club, yes. It can happen. The loaning club can and will pick up the full wages should that agreement be reached between the two clubs.

However, the club's asset amortises (he's price on our books gets less) but also not scoring goals in the Prem / UCL his value would also be affected.

I mean it more like if my boss decides that I should be sent to a business trip to some other location I dont have much of a choice.
And my pay remains the same apart from extra daily allowance.

Is it the same with football players? As I said in North America players can be the last one to know he was traded away.

I see that clubs prefer just to sell the trouble making player, as no one is going to pay massive fee for a loanee. Let alone with that attitude.

But with 3 years left on a contract?!
Al Hilal was happy to pay 60 mln for Nunez plus 62 mln salary for 3 years of Nunez service.
If someone wants 3 years of Isak’s, it is just 23mln salary and a fee.
Can he decline that move if he is under a contract?

[Ragatino]

I mean it more like if my boss decides that I should be sent to a business trip to some other location I dont have much of a choice.
And my pay remains the same apart from extra daily allowance.

Is it the same with football players? As I said in North America players can be the last one to know he was traded away.

I see that clubs prefer just to sell the trouble making player, as no one is going to pay massive fee for a loanee. Let alone with that attitude.

But with 3 years left on a contract?!
Al Hilal was happy to pay 60 mln for Nunez plus 62 mln salary for 3 years of Nunez service.
If someone wants 3 years of Isak?’s, it is just 23mln salary and a fee.
Can he decline that move if he is under a contract?

Yeah man, I get your point. I'm not sure it's the same professional football players.

As I understand it, NUFC hold the players registration. To play in the Saudi League the players registration would have to be transferred temporarily.

How it works with regard the player's involvement in loan destinations I honestly haven't got a clue. I'm sure that he'd not want to go and would no doubt take legal action against the club for inhumane some or other and boohoo his human rights.

Whilst doing responsible for damaging entire fanbase and breaking children's hearts who love him and have his name on their shirts.

He should be sued for child abuse hahahaha

[Ragatino]

I would suggest you send Nick De Marco an email for his 'The Sports Law' podcast.

It's a very interesting question.

https://www.blackstonechambers.com/podcasts/the-sports-law-podcast/

Great podcast too!