The Noise

[Cannylad]

Can anyone really truthfully disagree with this, I certainly can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-STyEhMGfik&t=1479s

[Cannylad]

Sorry lads my computer is 'kin haywire, go to The Noise on Youtube and click on "They're gaslighting the fans"
For some reason Youtube wont let me send the link. I'll try the link again below but doubt it will work, sorry again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-STyEhMGfik&t=1493s

Just tried it again and it's working now ??

[Curian]

Yeah he’s been saying for the last few videos something similar. He was a supporter of Eddie but he has had enough of the weekly bull post match talks. Sadly I am definitely leaning his way.

[HughieG]

I don't like the way that dude is talking about Eddie. Gaslighting etc. - that's a pretty aggressive word to use about a football manager ffs.

Take a break from YouTube.

[Curian]

He was an avid supporter of Eddie but has turned. He can get very emotional and then the expletives flow from him.

[Cannylad]

I quite understand that Eddie has done very good things with the club which I praise him for but why is he untouchable when he makes crap judgements. It seems we have to walk on eggshells around him and it's like the Spanish Court of Inquisition when anyone faults him. I'll get my tin helmet out now ready for the flak.

[HughieG]

I don't know that anyone has to walk on eggshells with regards to critcism of Eddie, Canny. Maybe if you're living in the city there's a different 'touchiness' to the subject.

Personally, I've been quite clear in my criticism of Eddie - where I think he's going wrong and how he, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be able to turn things around for the better. And even if I'd like for him to turn things around, I'm starting to think that a change in management might be the best solution for all.

Singing Eddie's praises when things are going well and then ranting when things aren't going well must be the easiest thing in the world. It's not hard to agree with the sentiments of the video-man, it's just the way it's done that I find, frankly, disrespectful.

[Zippity]

Agree, Hughie. Whatever anyone's stance on Eddie, the one thing nobody should do is show him the disrespect that some e-fans have.

In the same way you can earn the right to be respected-which he has done without a shadow of doubt-, you can earn the right to be disrespected. McClaren, Allardyce, Pardew, Bruce-they 'earned' the stick they got by disrespecting fans which they did by treating us as idiots (the post-.match excuses, telling us to disbelieve the evidence of our own eyes, having little digs at us).

Some of the e-fans commenting on social media have very short memories and are treating him like the managers I mentioned above. I'm not saying he can't be criticised but some of the insults and claims are outrageous and out of order.

The feeling in the City is more balanced but heading more towards the position you outlined, Hughie. There's a tangible air of sadness around conversations about Eddie and the situation we find ourselves in because the feeling seems to be, increasingly, that he can't fix it and it may be time to make a change.

9 defeats out of 12 is more than a blip and I would say the balance is about 50/50 on wanting him gone or wanting him to stay.

I know I'm only basing this on conversations I've had or conversations friends have had with other people but, genuinely, it is the topic of conversation everyone turns to at the moment.

[OwdBillCook]

it is the topic of conversation everyone turns to at the moment.

Well, how could it not be? After such a period of real achievements, Eddie has had a disaster of a season. And, beyond any possible doubt, needs to take the major blame. Who or what else? Bad start - oh, well the Isak debacle derailed us. Not getting better? Aye, well Wissa got injured and we'll be fine once he's OK. Anyway, Woltemade has 6 goals in 5 matches - so what's the prob. Oh, and we have a fixtures pile-up, so the poor old players are tired out. It'll get better when we're in less competitions.
But, as the season went on and on, it didn't get better. In fact, it got worse.
To me, Eddie appeared totally out of his depth this season. Easy to manage a team when all the players are with you. When the manager and the players are "the team". If that was the case, then Eddie could be the New Fergie or the New Wenger, and carry on achieving for years.
I really hoped for that, but I'm not seeing it at all.
It does seem to me that Eddie - if he is to continue as our manager - needs a huge mental reset. I do not understand why he appears so inflexible, as he seems a very intelligent guy. Surely, he must be looking at successful managers in the UK and around Europe. But he appears to me to be thinking inwards, not looking outwards. He seems to feel under great threat, and therefore sticking to his guns. Even if they haven't fired a deadly shot for some time.
I really, really hope that he can have a summer of deep reflection. I suspect that he is just overwhelmed at the moment. That what he needs to do is mentally step back, to see the woodland despite the trees being in the way all the time.
Unfortunately, I think he is under too much mental pressure. I think he could do it, but that the present circumstances aren't allowing the space and time for it to happen.
I really think it might be best for Newcastle, and for him in both the short and long term, if we had a change.
It's not what I'd want though. I really believe we have world-class manager. Just one who is - temporarily - in too deep.

[5under1and]

I understand all of your posts but just a few things
We won a cup just over a year ago how many premier teams can say that and do we have short memories
We were kicked in the teeth by our main striker which must of caused some disruption in the team
Clearly got two strikers in at the last minute that have not worked I just wonder who?s decision that was
We have had a difficult season I think up until last month we had played more games then any other club in Europe with again massive injuries
The press have spent last year and all of this year trying to unsettle are players and Eddie even this week they are saying that he will be the next Chelsea manager
Eddie should have a statue of himself outside of the ground not attacked by the fans

[Curian]

I take your points, and there's truth in much of what you're saying. Winning a trophy just over a year ago the EFL Cup is an achievement, and plenty of established Premier League clubs would love to say the same. That shouldn't be dismissed or forgotten.

At the same time, football moves quickly and expectations evolve. Success raises the bar, so when performances dip, questions are inevitable. That isn't short memory; it's a reaction to current standards rather than past success.

The striker situation is a valid factor. Losing a key forward in disruptive circumstances affects balance and confidence, and late replacements who haven't delivered only add to the problem. It's fair to question those decisions, but recruitment is rarely down to one person I presume it's typically a combinationof factors.

Fixture congestion and injuries have also played a major role. Competing on multiple fronts stretches any squad, and when injuries mount, teams struggle. That context must be part of the assessment.

Media speculation is another constant. A manager like Eddie Howe will always attract attention, and links to clubs such as Chelsea FC come with the territory. It doesn?t mean much, but the noise can still be a distraction.

Where I'd push back slightly is the idea that fans shouldn't criticise. Supporters are invested, and frustration is part of that. There's a clear line between constructive criticism and unfair attacks. Howe has done an excellent job overall, lifting the club, delivering silverware, and restoring competitiveness so he's earned a degree of trust and respect.

The fairest position, in my view, is to recognise the progress and the context, back the manager through a difficult spell, but still allow room to question decisions and performances. Blind loyalty doesn't help, but nor does turning too quickly. That said, Howe also needs to reflect on why things have dipped. Some of his decisions have been open to question, and this may be the moment to adapt whether in tactics, selection, or approach rather than sticking rigidly to what has worked before. Too early for a statue!

[Jammy89]

but recruitment is rarely down to one person I presume it's typically a combinationof factors.

Usually it would be but and I think a significant one, is that last transfer window it was seemingly just Eddie and his nephew who were doing transfers cos everybody else had left or was in the process of leaving.

Not sure if it makes things better or worse but thought it was worth flagging.

[OwdBillCook]

The fairest position, in my view, is to recognise the progress and the context, back the manager through a difficult spell, but still allow room to question decisions and performances. Blind loyalty doesn't help, but nor does turning too quickly. That said, Howe also needs to reflect on why things have dipped. Some of his decisions have been open to question, and this may be the moment to adapt whether in tactics, selection, or approach rather than sticking rigidly to what has worked before. Too early for a statue!

Absolutely. agree. Eddie has done a fantastic job until this season. And the early part of this season was a crock of sh!t for many reasons - the Isak affair and the total lack of a coherent pre-reason were critical. But we've had poor starts before, then come good as the season progressed.
Fine, this was a hugely disastrous start to the season. And not Eddies fault that the Isak situation was mis-managed. But I still expected a real kick-on as the season progressed and the fixtures thinned our.
Well, it hasn't happened. In fact I see no real improvement whatsoever recently, at least in the Prem matchres, which are all that really count now.

This, to me, is the real issue. What Eddie has done in the past is brilliant. I love the guy and what he has done for the club. Fantastic, never thought I'd see us play so well, ride so high again.
But what he is doing right now is just not working. The reasons for our poor start should be well dead and gone by now. But we continually playing like a team with no real strategy, no belief, no real will to win it seems.. That is my problem. Why????? On paper, we have squad that should be playing, and getting results, way better than we are at the moment. We aren't, and the buck has to stop with the manager.
As I've said, I suspect that he needs to step back, take time to think why it's turned to rat-sh!t. But when you're fronting a team with the expectations that NUFC have now, time is not on your side. Especially when your CEO publicly states you could be one of the top teams in the world in 4 years time. tw@t.
I don't want Eddie to go at all. I'm just worried that he's under too much pressure at the moment. Not at all good for him mentally, or for the club.
I really do hope he can sort things out in the remains of the season and the summer. I'm just afraid that, on present evidence, it seems unlikely.
I hope I'm wrong. Very wrong would be even better!

[Cannylad]

Well said Bill, always the voice of reason.

[OwdBillCook]

Hah! The voice of a senile old f@rt is probably nearer the mark!!