O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Notsohumblepie]

Yeah, and I said THE core principle is the exact opposite of what you claimed A core principle to be.



If you trained as a lawyer, surely you must recognise that "who knew what and when" links directly to the investigative techniques used and the timing of evidence collection, which itself can be *****ly important in a criminal case? Of course in some cases it may not be, and if that is so the judge can lift reporting restrictions. That's how it is supposed to work, which for someone trained as a lawyer, you should know.

Took less than ten seconds of googling to find: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0mrz5ln3eo

Most grooming gangs in the UK are made up of white men. What "cultural differences" do you blame that on? Or do you just think the victims of white grooming gangs should shut up and be ignored because that's not a "cultural difference" to talk about?

You're being disingenuous regarding " grooming" . Say ,for arguments sake, 15% of grooming gangs were of one ethnicity , and in Nottingham, and the other 85% were more ethnically diverse but spread UK wide, then you might find Nottingham considered itself to be more threatened than the UK as a whole .

[OchPie]

You're being disingenuous regarding " grooming" . Say ,for arguments sake, 15% of grooming gangs were of one ethnicity , and in Nottingham, and the other 85% were more ethnically diverse but spread UK wide, then you might find Nottingham considered itself to be more threatened than the UK as a whole .

Nope. It is true that some ethnicities might be over-represented in certain crimes compared to the population, and it is valid then to ask why - and it is ***** that no community is shielded from legal consequences (as seems to have happened in Rochdale) - but to ignore that numerically a lot more grooming gang members are white men while blaming grooming on "cultural differences" is what is disingenuous.

[SmiffyPie]

O/T:- Kemi Badenoch - Conservative Leader

The right person, best of a bad bunch, a "Trendy" appointment, is she the person to make them electable? So many questions!

[Old_pie]

The right person, best of a bad bunch, a "Trendy" appointment, is she the person to make them electable? So many questions!

Starmer will really have to stuff things up to avoid being re-elected, though he seems to be trying his best already.

I cannot recall feeling so alienated from politicians either side of the pond as I do now.

[SwalePie]

The right person, best of a bad bunch, a "Trendy" appointment, is she the person to make them electable? So many questions!

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SwalePie

[jackal2]

The right person, best of a bad bunch, a "Trendy" appointment, is she the person to make them electable? So many questions!

I'm pretty certain the Conservative Party membership have picked Kemi not for any 'trendy' reason but because she's the candidate who appears to have best and most consistently articulated idea of what Conservatives should actually stand for, and what they should oppose. Ideally she would have 5-10 years' experience before getting to this level, but as you say there's a dearth of quality politicians in general across all parties these days, so if you've got one who shows the potential to be great then you've got to run with them and let them learn on the job.

[OchPie]

Jenrick's my MP and we have corresponded in the past. My main reflection from that is that I think Badenoch believes what she now says.

[SmiffyPie]

Reading about her she seems a feisty woman, holds crudges, says what's on her mind, dislikes elements of the civil service along with other current PC topics and models herself on Maggie. Appeals to grassroots probably but bet she runs foul of the "22" within a year or so.

[jackal2]

Jenrick's my MP and we have corresponded in the past. My main reflection from that is that I think Badenoch believes what she now says.

Jenrick's an opportunist who will say whatever he thinks he needs to say to appeal to those he thinks hold the key to his next career move, which sadly is true of most politicians currently. If you're a genuine conviction politician these days you're a rare breed and you stand out like a beacon, whichever part of the political spectrum you're coming from. The true test of Kemi's convictions is only just beginning and time will tell, but I'm more optimistic about her than many of her predecessors.

[magpie_mania]

Jenrick's an opportunist who will say whatever he thinks he needs to say to appeal to those he thinks hold the key to his next career move, which sadly is true of most politicians currently. If you're a genuine conviction politician these days you're a rare breed and you stand out like a beacon, whichever part of the political spectrum you're coming from. The true test of Kemi's convictions is only just beginning and time will tell, but I'm more optimistic about her than many of her predecessors.

I think they have made the right choice out of the two. Just could not support Jenrick.

Concerning though that one of the first things she says is that it is time to tell the truth - what have they been doing then?

PMQ’s will be interesting, she seems to be quite a fiesty character.

[Elite_Pie]

Jenrick's an opportunist who will say whatever he thinks he needs to say to appeal to those he thinks hold the key to his next career move, which sadly is true of most politicians currently. If you're a genuine conviction politician these days you're a rare breed and you stand out like a beacon, whichever part of the political spectrum you're coming from. The true test of Kemi's convictions is only just beginning and time will tell, but I'm more optimistic about her than many of her predecessors.

I think the Tories are caught between a rock and a hard place regarding where to aim to win votes back. A lurch to the right to try and win back Reform voters will see them lose the moderates, but a move nearer the centre will send more to Reform! If the election was next week they would gain a lot of disenchanted Labour voters, but if Labour can show things are improving in 4 years time the Tories will be stuck where they are now.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I think the Tories are caught between a rock and a hard place regarding where to aim to win votes back. A lurch to the right to try and win back Reform voters will see them lose the moderates, but a move nearer the centre will send more to Reform! If the election was next week they would gain a lot of disenchanted Labour voters, but if Labour can show things are improving in 4 years time the Tories will be stuck where they are now.

Ok I'm going to get accusations of being racist but here goes..!can you imagine the right wingers voting for a black lady.?....no matter how vocal she is about immigration.?
Pedro you Racist !!!

[Med Pie]

Ok I'm going to get accusations of being racist but here goes..!can you imagine the right wingers voting for a black lady.?....no matter how vocal she is about immigration.?
Pedro you Racist !!!

Yes, you're racist,that's a serious and unpleasant accusation you make. I'm a right winger which doesn't mean I have a swastika on my forehead. I vote for policies not personalities and certainly, not based on skin colour.

If I like what I hear, she'll have my vote.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Yes, you're racist,that's a serious and unpleasant accusation you make. I'm a right winger which doesn't mean I have a swastika on my forehead. I vote for policies not personalities and certainly, not based on skin colour.

If I like what I hear, she'll have my vote.

Seeing at you bought swastikas to the table.The German people weren't wearing swastikas at the time they turned a blind eye to atrocities and racism.
Heil med pie..! X

[bule1]

Ok I'm going to get accusations of being racist but here goes..!can you imagine the right wingers voting for a black lady.?....no matter how vocal she is about immigration.?
Pedro you Racist !!!

Think you will find they said similar about the idea of a female Prime Minister in the 70's. Also yes I can imagine that whilst a few on the extreme right may have an issue with this, the vast majority would not.