O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[jackal2]

The whole Protect the NHS thing didn't last long then, did it. Hey, I went out and clapped them a few times, but I'm a bit bored so it's time to go back outside.

On a personal level I've been adhering to the lockdown rules very diligently and continue to do so. I've found it relatively easy because I actually really enjoy a significant amount of solitude. This particular Jackal isn't a pack animal, but I'm probably atypical!

Human beings generally are social creatures and there was always going to come a point when adherence to the lockdown started to waver. I don't think for one moment that most of those waverers have suddenly thought "Sod our doctors and nurses, I don't care about them anymore". They've simply reached a point where the mental/physical toll of isolation is making them consciously or subconsciously lose their discipline, if only to a degree. A Government therefore has to deal with the reality of human nature, or suppress it by becoming ever more draconian, which isn't a favoured option in western democratic cultures.

[optipez]

The whole Protect the NHS thing didn't last long then, did it.

Hey, I went out and clapped them a few times, but I'm a bit bored so it's time to go back outside.

Wonder how the healthcare heroes will feel about having to risk their lives treating people who don't apply Pies4u's common sense - one of my favourite oxymorons, that.

The original aim of the lockdown was to flatten the curve to stop the NHS being swamped. The government have managed that , have set a five degree scale, shown us we're hovering between 3-4 and given a provisional timetable for opening the country up.
At the end of the day there's no cure so we will have to live with the risk for the foreseeable future.
The idea we all stop in basically forever or until a vaccine comes along isn't sustainable. So while we're all grateful for and show our appreciation of the NHS and other workers it is now incumbent on us to take some risk but at the same time be sensible in our dealings.
Seems fair enough to me.I
Sadly like everything else on here it's gone down the tram lines of left v right.

[Pies4u]

The whole Protect the NHS thing didn't last long then, did it.

Hey, I went out and clapped them a few times, but I'm a bit bored so it's time to go back outside.

Wonder how the healthcare heroes will feel about having to risk their lives treating people who don't apply Pies4u's common sense - one of my favourite oxymorons, that.

It probably is, good for you.

Back in the real world, and this is also in response to Elite's concerns re: clarity, the whole scenario is uncertain and it is not sensible to set out a precise, day by day strategy - as the PM said, it is subject to variation depending upon the changing circumstances. All the Gov't can do is set the framework, they can't force businesses to operate or dictate who should be at work and when, that is a matter for every business to determine themselves. It may have escaped your notice Pingu but hundreds of thousands of people have been at work for the past 7 weeks - some may have been producing, packing, distributing and/or delivering goods to you. Employers and employees communicate, it may seem weird to you but that is what they do. My 40+ years experience in business, in various industries, is useful for some things.

So, common sense, (seeing how much you like that phrase), suggests that no one will simply just show up at 6.00 am without knowing if their workplace is open for business or if they are required "on shift"! You simply can't have the detailed level of precision from the PM that some critics appear to expect.

It is not "sudden" either, every aspect of the media has been telling us for the past week what was coming! Plus, as others have indicated, there has to be a gradual easing of restrictions otherwise there will be nothing to come back to & the future prospects for anyone will be beyond dire.

I quite like listening to people who have never had any discernible accountability or responsibility for critical decision making telling everyone what is wrong but struggling to tell us what is actually right. There is quite a lot of that about it would seem.

[Elite_Pie]

I quite like listening to people who have never had any discernible accountability or responsibility for critical decision making telling everyone what is wrong but struggling to tell us what is actually right. There is quite a lot of that about it would seem.

Bullshyte. You don't have the slightest clue on the level of "discernible accountability or responsibility for critical decision making" that other posters may or may not have had do you? None at all. You just believe they have never had any because you want to.

[Elite_Pie]

On a personal level I've been adhering to the lockdown rules very diligently and continue to do so. I've found it relatively easy because I actually really enjoy a significant amount of solitude. This particular Jackal isn't a pack animal, but I'm probably atypical!

Human beings generally are social creatures and there was always going to come a point when adherence to the lockdown started to waver. I don't think for one moment that most of those waverers have suddenly thought "Sod our doctors and nurses, I don't care about them anymore". They've simply reached a point where the mental/physical toll of isolation is making them consciously or subconsciously lose their discipline, if only to a degree. A Government therefore has to deal with the reality of human nature, or suppress it by becoming ever more draconian, which isn't a favoured option in western democratic cultures.

Again I agree with most of that, but I just think that if the government had stuck with the "stay home" message for longer then bit by bit a few people would have started to ignore it. Now they have issued this vague "stay home if you can but be careful if you go out" advice then a lot of people will start to ignore it. The evidence from Germany is that if you lift the lockdown too early or quickly then cases will start rising again. I hope that doesn't happen here.

[drillerpie]

The five point scale based on objective data is quite a good move politically. It basically means he can just point at that if infections go up again and he won't be the bad guy - important for any politician but especially for Boris.

Have any human beings apart from politicians and tennis players ever done that fist clench with thumb pointing forward, like they're getting ready to set a suicide bomb off?

I honestly thought the new rules could've been explained more clearly. In my experience communicating rules and procedures to people needs to be as short and sweet as humanly possible.

Another worry is that they've been briefing the press for days about a relaxation of the lockdown, so people will consider the lockdown relaxed, when in reality the relaxation is very, very minor.

I also wouldn't have mentioned the pubs opening in July. Even though he made it clear it was conditional and an early as possible date, people will, in my experience of communicating with people, just remember pubs opening = July and be disappointed if it doesn't happen.

Seeing as he won an election repeating a three word slogan ad infinitum, I'm surprised at the lack of clarity in his communication strategy during this crisis.

On my social media I've noticed a couple of friends who are enthusiastic converts to BoJoism, who have been completely behind him on everything until now, starting to waver.

[Pies4u]

Elite: Just an observation based upon my experience. Sorry, forgot you require greater clarity.

It may or may not apply to posters on here, I neither know nor care. Seems to have touched a nerve with you tho'.

[Woodypie]

It's difficult because it's so sudden and so vague. If the date for this had been set at Monday 18th May as an example it might have made a bit of sense. Because of what he said there must be thousands of employers and millions of workers not knowing what they should be doing tomorrow.
As I said before, there is no clarity at all.

For God's sake man, can't you just give it a rest once in a while. Every thread, Elite versus the rest. Blah, blah blah.

[Elite_Pie]

For God's sake man, can't you just give it a rest once in a while. Every thread, Elite versus the rest. Blah, blah blah.

You post what you want to post, I'll post what I want to post. I'm posting about the thread title, you're posting about me!

Nice one.

[Elite_Pie]

It may or may not apply to posters on here, I neither know nor care.

But you said "I quite like listening to people who have never had any discernible accountability or responsibility for critical decision making", suggesting you did know. Now you're admitting you don't know, just as I thought.

ps Ironically, when I worked my job was based mainly on making critical decisions, usually around 100 per day with the cost running into thousands of pounds for any I got wrong.

[navypie]

You certainly make more sense than anyone else on the right here, but I think a big mistake the government made early on was advising us not to go out rather than telling us not to go out, which is what they did after a while. We now seem to be back to the advisory stage, which given the earlier failure seems highly irresponsible. At least Scotland and Wales have maintained the sensible strategy.

So the previous strategy was a "sensible strategy". Why didn't you say so at the time!

[navypie]

I don't know if you realise it shipmate, but by siding with the likes of seriouspie simply to get at me you are aligning yourself with the hard right.

I would suggest that considering the job your wife does, it might not be the best course of action.

Feck me, you sound like that German character in 'Allo Allo'. 'You have been warned'

[maddogslater]

Well he kind of sounded good but after thought about his broadcast he may have well have said "do the fk what you want till it go's tits up" I'm with elite on this.

[TheBlackHorse]

... ffs this is not a dictatorship. The only requirement is that you understand your 2 x table. Boris only said this is an outline plan; but as usual, the unthinking Remoaner Revenge and 100% Hindsight Mob jump too soon, with their hysterical, can't wait to score points - equivalent to prem ejac. If you don't understand what Stay Alert means, go and live in a dictatorship ...

[magpie_mania]

... ffs this is not a dictatorship. The only requirement is that you understand your 2 x table. Boris only said this is an outline plan; but as usual, the unthinking Remoaner Revenge and 100% Hindsight Mob jump too soon, with their hysterical, can't wait to score points - equivalent to prem ejac. If you don't understand what Stay Alert means, go and live in a dictatorship ...

Another slavish Boris supporter. Across the board people are saying it was confusing.

If 'stay alert' is so simple, maybe you can explain to us what it means in practice.