O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Elite_Pie]

I unlike many don't have a political axe to grind.

You've told us before that you are politically unbiased.

It just seems a bit odd to me that you are always unbiased in favour of the right!

[i961pie]

From your other posts it seems like you've made your mind up about quite a lot. US bad, Germany good, NZ good, UK middling and any UK mistakes are down to bad advice and not the government, and no other UK government would have acted differently.

I'd respectfully point out that only by comparing our response with other countries will we be able to improve. That is not really possible by analysing numbers or scientific data.

The Times is a respectable, quality newspaper and if anything is pro Conservative. Neither the government nor the advisers come out of it particularly well, but personally I'm glad I read it as I feel like it added to my understanding of the situation.

Now you are making things up, where have I said no UK government would have acted differently? Doesn't Murdoch own the times?
And I am comparing ourselves with other governments that is why it seems NZ and Germany are doing better than us and the USA, Italy and Spain aren't.
A lot of things you read or hear quite often are opinions, one person says one thing and another 'expert' contradicts it.
All I am saying is I will wait to see what the scientific evidence is at the end of all this,if the government have been negligent then that will be the end of them. Everything isn't always just black or white.
But don't twist my words to suit there are others on here who are experts at that.

[magpie_mania]

Eyup i961pie ...... Don't get into conversation with these repetitive losers son. Let them whinge moan and snipe, it won't make any difference. Like the BBC they have to find something to criticise .... that's all they can do because they are ineffectual and they know it. The fact is - Boris and his lads are here for the long haul and the majority of ordinary Brits (the ones that count) want it that way. I criticise Lefties because generally I find them weak and unable to make decisions on their own. Likewise Lefties criticise me for my R/W so called bigoted views .... OK by me, we are all entitled to our views and so it should be, but at the end of the day when all the dust has settled on this horrendous virus saga, I have a feeling the Tories will come out on top in the opinion polls. My other well know prediction ..... the US election. Horrible as the man is, Trump will wipe the floor with Biden and the Dems. Both he and Boris have been pilloried left right and centre by the snivelling Lefties and in both cases, before they won. It made no difference and it won't again.

Any further research been done on the great Whittaker by the way? From what I can find out, he scored 2 goals for us in 10 games before boggering off back to Canada to run their national side??

'The fact is - Boris and his lads are here for the long haul and the majority of ordinary Brits (the ones that count) want it that way.'

I wouldn't be too sure of that. Next time there won't be a Brexit to vote for. (Presuming it's sorted by then!).

[i961pie]

You've told us before that you are politically unbiased.

It just seems a bit odd to me that you are always unbiased in favour of the right!

I try to play devils advocate because quite a few on here are so anti everything or anything the Tory government does whether it is good or bad, and believe it or not (and I know you won't) I was the same when Blair was in power and he was unfairly criticised a lot of the time.

[drillerpie]

You said that:

This is unprecedented and Boris and his cronies are not experts in this, so rely on their advisors who are supposed to be medical experts.
That is what any government would do in this situation so maybe the advice wasn't always correct.

I took 'that's what any government would do' to mean no government would've done any different.

Yes Murdoch owns the Times, so it's hardly politically motivated to bring Boris down.

I agree with you that not eveything is black and white. I also agree that science and data tell part of the story, but not all of it. I don't know why you wouldn't want to read the Times article about who said what to whom and when and then read the government's rebuttals, and make your own mind up.

[Old_pie]

I worry that listening to the government at the moment is like listening to our previous two owners and reminds me why governments should not be put in charge of running anything.

[i961pie]

I worry that listening to the government at the moment is like listening to our previous two owners and reminds me why governments should not be put in charge of running anything.

You know Oldpie I was just thinking the same. They keep saying this or that will arrive today or tomorrow and it never turns up.
Like Trew and Hardy telling us that a player will be signing in the next few days and nothing happens. They should keep stum and not make promises they can't keep.

[Elite_Pie]

The fact is - Boris and his lads are here for the long haul and the majority of ordinary Brits (the ones that count) want it that way.

So who are the minority of ordinary Brits who don't count?

By the way, you do realise that the majority of Brits who voted didn't vote Conservative? No, of course you don't.

[ivansneck]

So who are the minority of ordinary Brits who don't count?

By the way, you do realise that the majority of Brits who voted didn't vote Conservative? No, of course you don't.

How dare you use facts in a political discussion - Swale - ban this man immediately

[BigFatPie]

UK decision not to participate in EU procurement of medical equipment and ventilators ‘political decision’. This word is used a lot nowadays, but it really is scandalous.

Impressed with leadership? Not much.

https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1252612727379505154?s=21

[Old_pie]

UK decision not to participate in EU procurement of medical equipment and ventilators ‘political decision’. This word is used a lot nowadays, but it really is scandalous.

Impressed with leadership? Not much.

https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/st...379505154?s=21

Mr McDonald added: "The UK mission (to the European Union) briefed ministers about what was available, what was on offer and the decision is no."

"All I can say is, as a matter of fact, we have not taken part."

But this evening, Mr Hancock insisted that was not the case. "When we did receive an invitation, it was put up to me and we joined," he said, adding that the scheme hasn't delivered "a single item of PPE" so far....

Isn't there enough bloody misinformation without adding confusion to what surely must be a simple matter of fact?

And what's happening with the Turkey PPE, isn't there an RAF plane there? Have we been gazumped? Those Germans, always first to the beach, always first to the buffet - how do they do it?

[seriouspie]

So who are the minority of ordinary Brits who don't count?

By the way, you do realise that the majority of Brits who voted didn't vote Conservative? No, of course you don't.

1. Your lot

2. Really Einstein? Well if you say so fair enough but I don't recollect mentioning the number of Tory votes cast. Irrespective to me .... the
important thing is winning. We even "won" when we had the worst Conservative PM in history call a snap election. Not any more, wait till
Boris gets back and this plague gets manageable, then you'll soon see your lot are finished.

[Elite_Pie]

1. Your lot

1. So who are my lot exactly? Are we the majority who didn't vote for a Conservative government? It's funny how a 52/48 majority is all important, but a bigger majority is dismissed (or in your case you prefer to pretend it didn't happen).

2. Really Einstein? Well if you say so fair enough but I don't recollect mentioning the number of Tory votes cast. Irrespective to me .... the important thing is winning. We even "won" when we had the worst Conservative PM in history call a snap election. Not any more, wait till Boris gets back and this plague gets manageable, then you'll soon see your lot are finished.

2. See the reply to number 1. In my opinion the Tory government are still riding on a wave of "We're all in this together, this is not a time for political point scoring", but when the dust eventually settles they will be shown up for the bunch of utterly incompetent arseholes they are.

[Notts78]

1. So who are my lot exactly? Are we the majority who didn't vote for a Conservative government? It's funny how a 52/48 majority is all important, but a bigger majority is dismissed (or in your case you prefer to pretend it didn't happen).

It’s a majority Government, is that not simple enough? Comparing election numbers against a yes or no vote that we had in the referendum is not a feasible argument. I wonder how the voting would have gone had it been BoJo v Corbyn? My view is it would have been a landslide and a more dominant one sided Tory Government. Be thankful that is not the case and there are those from other parties that are able to argue and challenge in Parliament.

[BigFatPie]

It’s a majority Government, is that not simple enough? Comparing election numbers against a yes or no vote that we had in the referendum is not a feasible argument. I wonder how the voting would have gone had it been BoJo v Corbyn? My view is it would have been a landslide and a more dominant one sided Tory Government. Be thankful that is not the case and there are those from other parties that are able to argue and challenge in Parliament.

If only winning a decent majority was some guarantee that a government would be any good at governing. This Tory government is the worst since the last one. I saw Tony Blair on tv this morning with clear, coherent strategies on how the current mess could somehow be mitigated.
Anyone who doesn’t think he would still do a massively better job than the current idiot is smoking some serious sh!t.