O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[jackal2]

Keir Starmer has claimed that "Labour is back", but I'm far from convinced.

I should imagine even Starmer himself is far from convinced, despite his best efforts to use today's "shock" win to paper over the cracks. Labour hung on by the tightest of margins and I'm sure he's aware that without the actions of Prat Hancock he probably would have lost and would now be under even more pressure from the hard left than he is already. At some point he will have to commit himself to some actual policies, and the reason he's been stalling for so long is that he knows he'll upset one side of the party or the other - or both - whether he leans right, centre or left.

[BigFatPie]

Yes, Labour and Galloway combined had 57%. Interesting to see 'Yorkshire' come in 5th with over 2%. We might be looking at a border crossing with an independent Yorkshire before too long

The word ‘traitor’ is used too much nowadays, but if anyone fits the bill, it’s that scum Galloway.

[jackal2]

The word ‘traitor’ is used too much nowadays, but if anyone fits the bill, it’s that scum Galloway.

Or John Bercow.

[Elite_Pie]

Labour hung on by the tightest of margins and I'm sure he's aware that without the actions of Prat Hancock.

But saying "without the actions of Prat Hancock he probably would have lost" is completely missing the point. It liars and cheats like Hancock that should be turning people away from the Tories in droves. I wouldn't encourage anyone to vote Labour because they are indeed a party in crisis, but that doesn't mean we should just blindly accept the bunch of corrupt incompetents currently in charge.

[BigFatPie]

Or John Bercow.

If your comparing Galloway’s toadying to dictators like Saddam Husain and Vladimir Putin and his support of terrorists to Bercow joining Labour I’m going to have to put that at no 1 of Jackal’s daft political posts.

I don’t apply the word ‘traitor’ to people leaving political parties but maybe you do.

[BigFatPie]

But saying "without the actions of Prat Hancock he probably would have lost" is completely missing the point. It liars and cheats like Hancock that should be turning people away from the Tories in droves. I wouldn't encourage anyone to vote Labour because they are indeed a party in crisis, but that doesn't mean we should just blindly accept the bunch of corrupt incompetents currently in charge.

Gove has been playing away from home during the pandemic, as well as breaking the law with dodgy contracts.

How did that bloke get one woman to f00k him, let alone two??!

[jackal2]

But saying "without the actions of Prat Hancock he probably would have lost" is completely missing the point. It liars and cheats like Hancock that should be turning people away from the Tories in droves. I wouldn't encourage anyone to vote Labour because they are indeed a party in crisis, but that doesn't mean we should just blindly accept the bunch of corrupt incompetents currently in charge.

If you're expecting me to defend Matt Hancock's actions you're barking up the wrong tree. Just because I'm a Conservative supporter doesn't mean I absolve errant Tory ministers from any criticism. For what it's worth, I came to the conclusion many weeks ago that the lockdown has gone on for far too long, and the fact that Hancock continued to preach restraint to the likes of us while clearly not believing in it or practicing it himself is hypocritical.

That doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to convert to being a Lib Dem or Labour supporter, because I'm a Conservative at heart (more so actually than some in the Government), but there's no doubt that Hancock became a liability the moment his actions were exposed and he had to go.

[jackal2]

If your comparing Galloway’s toadying to dictators like Saddam Husain and Vladimir Putin and his support of terrorists to Bercow joining Labour I’m going to have to put that at no 1 of Jackal’s daft political posts.

A compliment indeed!

[BanjoPie]

Why is the housing minister sticking his nose in about the wearing of face masks, does he feel left out and wants to be in the limelight?

Bunch of tosses - all of them!,

[BigFatPie]

A banker has now been made health secretary and has used his undoubted expertise to decide that like flu we’re going to have to ‘live with’ COVID. Of course, he hasn’t put a number on the amount of excess deaths and hospitalisations he would find acceptable.

We’re been governed by lunatics.

[Mapperleypie]

A banker has now been made health secretary and has used his undoubted expertise to decide that like flu we’re going to have to ‘live with’ COVID. Of course, he hasn’t put a number on the amount of excess deaths and hospitalisations he would find acceptable.

We’re been governed by lunatics.

Todays announcement is going to be ridiculous isn't it, you can't have voluntary measures during a global pandemic, we actually occasionally do need to 'follow the science'. The raging populism and telling people what they want to hear has already caused tens of thousands of extra deaths. This government seems incapable of learning anything other than how to successfully siphon off taxpayers money to their friends and Tory donors whilst the electorate look the other way.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

If you're expecting me to defend Matt Hancock's actions you're barking up the wrong tree. Just because I'm a Conservative supporter doesn't mean I absolve errant Tory ministers from any criticism. For what it's worth, I came to the conclusion many weeks ago that the lockdown has gone on for far too long, and the fact that Hancock continued to preach restraint to the likes of us while clearly not believing in it or practicing it himself is hypocritical.

That doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to convert to being a Lib Dem or Labour supporter, because I'm a Conservative at heart (more so actually than some in the Government), but there's no doubt that Hancock became a liability the moment his actions were exposed and he had to go.

You've forgotten to mention Gove,Priti,Boris amongst others as liabilities on the good ship fleece the public.

[BigFatPie]

Todays announcement is going to be ridiculous isn't it, you can't have voluntary measures during a global pandemic, we actually occasionally do need to 'follow the science'. The raging populism and telling people what they want to hear has already caused tens of thousands of extra deaths. This government seems incapable of learning anything other than how to successfully siphon off taxpayers money to their friends and Tory donors whilst the electorate look the other way.

Even after all these months I find it mind blowing. There’ll be the same old nonsense about ‘personal responsibility’ like we let people have ‘personal responsibility’ over drink driving or speeding. There seems a determination on the right, since maybe Brexit, to go out of it’s way to ignore reason and evidence.

The nightmare scenario is a variant that evades the vaccines, but I’ve no doubt that’s the path we’re on.

[upthemaggies]

The nightmare scenario is a variant that evades the vaccines, but I’ve no doubt that’s the path we’re on.

There's so much noise, censorship, compromised people calling the shots, conspiracy theories and propaganda out there it's impossible to make any real sense of what's really going on, what should be done and what should have been done. It's probably a story that will have to be told by future generations, rather than those who actually lived through it, if anybody in the 2100s should care to establish the true facts.

The man who was employed by the WHO to oversee management of the Ebola outbreak has been warning that vaccinations must be stopped as they will inevitably result in mutations created in the vaccinated that could be more dangerous to younger people as well as being more easily transmissible and, ultimately, vaccine resistant. The scientist who discovered AIDS agrees with this hypothesis. Nobody is claiming that these vaccines stop you getting the virus, or passing it on, only that it lessens the symptoms...... for now.

Other leading scientists however are claiming that mutations are less than 0.5%, in which case you're probably going to be immune for decades if you've had it and - if the vaccines work - you shouldn't need a vaccine top up.

"Long Covid" and potential long term harm from experimental vaccines might be another spanner in the works. The man who invented the technology used in some of these vaccines has been censored by youtube and linkedin for expressing his concerns over where these spike proteins (generated by the vaccine) are ending up in the body, he has also claimed that the regulators have been captured. So this could be another ticking time bomb.

[i961pie]

But saying "without the actions of Prat Hancock he probably would have lost" is completely missing the point. It liars and cheats like Hancock that should be turning people away from the Tories in droves. I wouldn't encourage anyone to vote Labour because they are indeed a party in crisis, but that doesn't mean we should just blindly accept the bunch of corrupt incompetents currently in charge.

Ditto