O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[PedroTheFisherman66]

So you think Jeremy Corbyn had nothing to do with Labour losing the election. Even his own politicians didn't want him. Only 31 of them endorsed him to stand for the leadership until the 11th hour when Margaret Becket in her infinite wisdom put his name forward to make it 32 the req'd number. Something she has said since she deeply regretted, it set the Labour party back years.
Yes brexit played a part but 16 + million people voted against brexit so a good majority of them still voted tory.

Admittedly I wasnt a fan of Corbyn but as a person he was miles ahead of Boris for integrity.His policies were good enough but He was destroyed by the press and if people cant see beyond their own nose we get the leader we deserve.
Yes probably Tory voters voted tory aswell as those that bought into the levelling up lies.
Has anyone heard about anti semitism lately or has it suddenly become irrelevant to all and sundry?

[Elite_Pie]

I think you are misunderstanding my post, I am not defending Boris or the Tories they are useless but to win by a landslide proves that the opposition at the last election were pathetic.

Yes, Labour at the last election were pathetic. But so were the Tories, where a serial liar who simply repeated "let's get Brexit done" seemed to appeal to many. We live in a democracy, so we have to abide by what the electorate decided. Too many see it as a choice between one or the other, but it doesn't have to be like that. Sadly, my vote at the last election went to the party most likely to keep the Tory candidate out rather than a party I supported. I didn't have faith in any of them, but I was convinced that giving Boris Johnson a big majority would be a disaster for the country. Nothing that has happened since has changed my mind in the slightest.

[sidders]

I think you are misunderstanding my post, I am not defending Boris or the Tories they are useless but to win by a landslide proves that the opposition at the last election were pathetic.
At this moment in time Labour or even the lib dems don't really have to do anything, just let the Tories stumble from one cock up to the next.
The recent railway u-turn will lose Boris lots of the gains he made in the North of England last time at the next election.

Abandoning the triple lock on Old Age Pensions will lose him a lot more.

[i961pie]

Admittedly I wasnt a fan of Corbyn but as a person he was miles ahead of Boris for integrity.His policies were good enough but He was destroyed by the press and if people cant see beyond their own nose we get the leader we deserve.
Yes probably Tory voters voted tory aswell as those that bought into the levelling up lies.
Has anyone heard about anti semitism lately or has it suddenly become irrelevant to all and sundry?

Integrity?? he might have been ahead of Boris but this is the man who as slated off the EU all is political life and wanted out but didn't have the guts to say so at the time.
Do you think people who are are anti semitic have changed their views just because they have a new leader. Do you think racists change their views because it is against the law. They just keep quiet. Only a Jewish person can answer your question if it's gone away or not.

[i961pie]

Yes, Labour at the last election were pathetic. But so were the Tories, where a serial liar who simply repeated "let's get Brexit done" seemed to appeal to many. We live in a democracy, so we have to abide by what the electorate decided. Too many see it as a choice between one or the other, but it doesn't have to be like that. Sadly, my vote at the last election went to the party most likely to keep the Tory candidate out rather than a party I supported. I didn't have faith in any of them, but I was convinced that giving Boris Johnson a big majority would be a disaster for the country. Nothing that has happened since has changed my mind in the slightest.

I agree, and that is why I am sorry to say for the first time in over 50 years I didn't vote. The previous election I did the same as you and voted for Alex Norris the local labour candidate who became Mr Invisible. Not a patch on his predecessor Graham Allen who ran local surgeries on a regular basis and was available to help you if he could.
My original point was Johnson and the Tories were cr@p yet still won easily which shows how bad the opposition were.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Integrity?? he might have been ahead of Boris but this is the man who as slated off the EU all is political life and wanted out but didn't have the guts to say so at the time.
Do you think people who are are anti semitic have changed their views just because they have a new leader. Do you think racists change their views because it is against the law. They just keep quiet. Only a Jewish person can answer your question if it's gone away or not.

My point about anti-Semitism is that you couldn't move without it being held with a big stick to hit Corbyn and the labour party with (off course the Tories and Boris are not racist in the slightest) !
Since the election you never hear about it at all , it's as if the public couldn't give a damn about it at all and were only outraged about it in the first place because the press kept accusing Corby of being Racist and the voters bought it with Bells on.
I agree with you about Corbyn and his inactivity around Brexit and blame him and labour for not defending REMIAN long or loud enough. However his and the parties policies in general were good and for the benefit of the country but were slaughtered by the media and the public bought the T shirt on it.

[magpie_mania]

It was a dirty campaign by the Tories.

They smeered Corbyn at every opportunity and based everything on the 'let's get Brexit done' which is why I believe they took so many seats in the north. However, they had no plan for how to get Brexit done (the NI situation is a good example) nor how to keep the new MPs onside post-Brexit.

But I still voted Conservative as the alternatives were even worse locally.

[the_anticlough]

My point about anti-Semitism is that you couldn't move without it being held with a big stick to hit Corbyn and the labour party with (off course the Tories and Boris are not racist in the slightest) !
Since the election you never hear about it at all , it's as if the public couldn't give a damn about it at all and were only outraged about it in the first place because the press kept accusing Corby of being Racist and the voters bought it with Bells on.
I agree with you about Corbyn and his inactivity around Brexit and blame him and labour for not defending REMIAN long or loud enough. However his and the parties policies in general were good and for the benefit of the country but were slaughtered by the media and the public bought the T shirt on it.

Top post, Pedro

[i961pie]

My point about anti-Semitism is that you couldn't move without it being held with a big stick to hit Corbyn and the labour party with (off course the Tories and Boris are not racist in the slightest) !
Since the election you never hear about it at all , it's as if the public couldn't give a damn about it at all and were only outraged about it in the first place because the press kept accusing Corby of being Racist and the voters bought it with Bells on.
I agree with you about Corbyn and his inactivity around Brexit and blame him and labour for not defending REMIAN long or loud enough. However his and the parties policies in general were good and for the benefit of the country but were slaughtered by the media and the public bought the T shirt on it.

The press and the Tories did jump on it, but it was the Jewish MPs and members of the Labour party that first bought the subject up about racism in their own party. Neil Kinnock spent years kicking out the socialist worker party supporters who had infiltrated the party in the 80s allowing Blair to benefit and win 3 elections. Then first Milliband and then Corbyn let them back in making them unelectable in the public's eyes. Hopefully Starmer can sort it out but I would like to see Andy Burnham become leader, he would thrash Johnson in an election imo.

[BanjoPie]

The press and the Tories did jump on it, but it was the Jewish MPs and members of the Labour party that first bought the subject up about racism in their own party. Neil Kinnock spent years kicking out the socialist worker party supporters who had infiltrated the party in the 80s allowing Blair to benefit and win 3 elections. Then first Milliband and then Corbyn let them back in making them unelectable in the public's eyes. Hopefully Starmer can sort it out but I would like to see Andy Burnham become leader, he would thrash Johnson in an election imo.

Burnham does nothing to impress that he could be a leader of the Country - he just seems to throw his dummy out of the pram if things don’t go his way. If Labour see him as a potential leader then they are forever doomed to the opposition benches. Starmer is a decent chap and he has integrity however, IMO he lacks leadership qualities and that added thing called ‘charisma’. Just a shame we can’t convince David Milliband to come back to the fold.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

The press and the Tories did jump on it, but it was the Jewish MPs and members of the Labour party that first bought the subject up about racism in their own party. Neil Kinnock spent years kicking out the socialist worker party supporters who had infiltrated the party in the 80s allowing Blair to benefit and win 3 elections. Then first Milliband and then Corbyn let them back in making them unelectable in the public's eyes. Hopefully Starmer can sort it out but I would like to see Andy Burnham become leader, he would thrash Johnson in an election imo.

Yes some of the Jewish community were on board with the Tories, those that wined and dined with the top tories at the top table at that time, probably looking for a peerage or a title of some sort, or a dodgy contract.

Kinnock was before my time I'm afraid regarding politics I just walked around scratching my balls back then.

I do like the cut of Burnham's jib but he looks like he wears mascara and has painted on eye brows, the media will have a field day on this come the elections.
Angela Rayner has gone up in my estimation but again the press will have her fof breakfast come the elections so we are left with Kier for the remaining.

An intelligent guy who's making Boris look like the fool on the hill at present but the same rule applies.Come the elections the media and social media campaigns will make labour look like the child snatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and the public will forget about all that's gone before and fall for promises of shiny sparkly things delivered by those that live in mansions from foreign shores with monies resting in far away bank accounts.

[frenchmagpie]

It was a dirty campaign by the Tories.

They smeered Corbyn at every opportunity and based everything on the 'let's get Brexit done' which is why I believe they took so many seats in the north. However, they had no plan for how to get Brexit done (the NI situation is a good example) nor how to keep the new MPs onside post-Brexit.

But I still voted Conservative as the alternatives were even worse locally.

Were the others already dead ?!! You must be pleased how that turned out.

[i961pie]

Were the others already dead ?!! You must be pleased how that turned out.

A choice between the devil and the deep blue sea

[BigFatPie]

It can be true that there is/was a problem with anti semitism on the far left of the Labour Party AND it has been used as to beat it with by people who’ve never given a toss about any form of racism.

Of course Johnson promised on live tv to Sajid Javid an enquiry into islamophobia in the Tory party but that’s turned out to be another lie.

[sidders]

Steer Calmer forensically takes Bozo apart at PMQ most weeks but Joe Public isn't looking - what he/she likes is Bozo's smiling buffoonery. I am wondering whether Burnham's charisma would make a better job.