Martin Patterson

[legs77]

Sorry Maynard is more qualified than this bloke.

I dont care what level he has played at its BS to bring it up as its all about man management.

Now Mourinho played for NOBODY of note but he got world class players to run through brick walls for him.

Id now argue our owners strategy is the problem & not the head coach.

What does "in game data" mean ? The manager is basically being given information overload when his job in Paterson case is to make football decisions what if he doesnt agree with data & his footballing insticts tell him its wrong ?

90% of fans are going to hammer him if results are poor but how can they when he has pretty much limited control and thats being kind.

Im worried about this set up and the DOF appalling record elsewhere seems to be making big calls.

[LeftPeg_Pie]

What does "in game data" mean ? The manager is basically being given information overload when his job in Paterson case is to make football decisions what if he doesnt agree with data & his footballing insticts tell him its wrong ?

Patterson is not going to have an earpiece in which will have a coach consistently talking to him, relaying stats every second of every minute for 90+ minutes.

But the data will be able to map the game as it happens and pick up on certain things a Head Coach may not see from the touchline.

For example, a data model might pick up that a certain opposition player who plays in a certain position (say a Right Back) positions himself in a certain way (say engages with a winger/wing back aggressively when they receive the ball) that if we adapted how we moved the ball, we could exploit that positioning.

So, say Right Back X plays against Jarvis, and closes him down quickly when Jarvis hugs the touchline, but this creates a gap between Right Back X and Centre Half Y, you may bring our 10 into that channel and also encourage Bedeau to push on by either (a) overlapping or (b) underlapping so he can (a) create more space inside for the 10 or (b) create an overload inside.

With everything else going on, a Head Coach might not see that straight away. But the data, mapping the game, will see that - there?s your tactical advantage. The data is simply another coach who can process more data. Obviously, the human coaching reading the data needs to be up to it, as they need to spot it too. But with more eyes on the game, in both physical and data guises, you give yourself more scope to be successful.

[Big Bob]

Poor appointment. God help us

[legs77]

Patterson is not going to have an earpiece in which will have a coach consistently talking to him, relaying stats every second of every minute for 90+ minutes.

But the data will be able to map the game as it happens and pick up on certain things a Head Coach may not see from the touchline.

For example, a data model might pick up that a certain opposition player who plays in a certain position (say a Right Back) positions himself in a certain way (say engages with a winger/wing back aggressively when they receive the ball) that if we adapted how we moved the ball, we could exploit that positioning.

So, say Right Back X plays against Jarvis, and closes him down quickly when Jarvis hugs the touchline, but this creates a gap between Right Back X and Centre Half Y, you may bring our 10 into that channel and also encourage Bedeau to push on by either (a) overlapping or (b) underlapping so he can (a) create more space inside for the 10 or (b) create an overload inside.

With everything else going on, a Head Coach might not see that straight away. But the data, mapping the game, will see that - there?s your tactical advantage. The data is simply another coach who can process more data. Obviously, the human coaching reading the data needs to be up to it, as they need to spot it too. But with more eyes on the game, in both physical and data guises, you give yourself more scope to be successful.

This is all sounds great until MP doesnt do the move they think he should.

You have always had coaches to spot that stuff or heaven forbid how about we let players think for themselves rather than be robotic & told where to stand/pass.

I dont care what anyone says its completely killing the game.

McGoldrick was correct the game trys to suppress mavericks and this makes me wonder why he didnt stay ....we'll hide behind wages but with his influence we probably wanted him out.

[legs77]

Poor appointment. God help us

On the face of it I totally agree the problem is we have another 25 people making decisions.

Its a way of DOF picking players but has no comeback if it goes wrong that will sit with MP.

Its L2 basic football yet this lot are over thinking it and I hope im wrong but I just cant see how it works as friction / difference of opinions are going to happen.

[Boomerangpie]

What absolute tosh. You have desperately wanted more accountability for the DoF / Head of recruitment and now he is under this arrangement compared to before.

Of course if it goes bad the coaches will get the push, that?s the setup. That keeps the continuity the owners want. When Hardy was the owner and he was hiring and firing managers, the managers took the fall even though the owner was the blame. That?s football

[countygump]

[legs77]

What absolute tosh. You have desperately wanted more accountability for the DoF / Head of recruitment and now he is under this arrangement compared to before.

Of course if it goes bad the coaches will get the push, that?s the setup. That keeps the continuity the owners want. When Hardy was the owner and he was hiring and firing managers, the managers took the fall even though the owner was the blame. That?s football

Ive not yet seen a DOF sacked at same time as a manager.

Put it this way if it goes wrong only one person is getting sacked and it isnt Ricardo.

The reason we've got MP is down to the fact nobody with a record wants it and why would they, we can all see this surely.

We just have to hope it goes well but it goes against all logic imo its hard getting 2 people to agree so imagine 7/8 people discussing selection/tactics.

[the_anticlough]

This bloke has vast playing and coaching experience.
Interesting hire, we should wish him and Paterson every success. Get behind them and give them a chance.

It's not as if there's any going back now. It's done, this is our new coaching team.

[marshall55]

Edwards clearly the football man with experience, hopefully his input will shine through.

[SinceSept1959]

Edwards didn't do too well in his coaching / managerial roll at Leyton Orient. Statistics sort of on a par with Paterson at Burton Albion.

[Bohinen]

Ive not yet seen a DOF sacked at same time as a manager.

Put it this way if it goes wrong only one person is getting sacked and it isnt Ricardo.

The reason we've got MP is down to the fact nobody with a record wants it and why would they, we can all see this surely.

We just have to hope it goes well but it goes against all logic imo its hard getting 2 people to agree so imagine 7/8 people discussing selection/tactics.

I can see what you mean but no-one is allowed to criticise the owners. It seems we are being used as an experiment in new methods by them, which I thought was fair enough to start with but has gone a step too far now. The fact they had to scrape the barrel for a HC shows this is not acceptable to most potential candidates, some of whom would have done a good job.

By the way, given people have a new site now, please don't feel the need to come down here (not you, obviously) with your 5 user names and tell us what to think. I don't own this site but I am loyal to it. All opinions are welcome here, but suppressing people's opinions is not. Show some respect to other users.

[Boomerangpie]

Ive not yet seen a DOF sacked at same time as a manager.

Put it this way if it goes wrong only one person is getting sacked and it isnt Ricardo.

The reason we've got MP is down to the fact nobody with a record wants it and why would they, we can all see this surely.

We just have to hope it goes well but it goes against all logic imo it?s hard getting 2 people to agree so imagine 7/8 people discussing selection/tactics.

Yes and there is a reason a DoF doesn?t get sacked at the same time as a head coach in English football. There is an obvious hierarchy, you don?t want as many DoF changes as a manager or head coach changes! That would?ve madness.

The number of potential candidates who want to be a head coach only when they traditionally were managers will naturally be much reduced. That goes without saying.

Fans seem to think they know instantly how the technical panel will work when it reality they don?t. They picture 7 people sat around a table doing a show of hands and never agreeing. In reality they have absolutely no idea just like me and just like you.

There are negatives an positives to every approach undertaken by clubs. It?s easy to identify both with ours.

[countygump]

[the_anticlough]

Sorry Maynard is more qualified than this bloke.

I don't care what level he has played at its BS to bring it up as its all about man management.

What!? Experience of professional football - there's no comparison.
And I do think it matters to footballers, it's such a competitive, hierarchical profession.

Of course there is no direct correlation with management skills. But a coach must have credibility and it's harder for someone to establish that if they have no history in the pro game. Some exceptional individuals cut straight through that, but Paterson will have more credibility than Maynard did.

It's also useful for us that he's spent the last few years in L1. His input will be good for Gagliardi.