Stockport post match reflections

[mellowmiller]

The point I’m making is that you keep having a go at people for wanting him sacked. I have agreed with you not much will change how the club is run. So instead of having a go at people for wanting him sacked
Tell us why he should stay then apart from what we both agree on.
His tactics
His interviews
His signings
His philosophy
Tell us what your opinion is on that mellow.
You can’t just keep saying sacking him won’t change anything because that’s not certain. Maybe it will but one things for certain in a lot of supporters opinions and it’s just opinions is that he’s taking us down.
I have always respected your opinions and still do but having ago at supporters without giving an alternative opinion imo just doesn’t stack up.

I don't know why you think "I'm having a go" just because I ask people what they want or expect to happen if we sack this manager. It seems a perfectly reasonable question given what's happened on previous occasions.
We've all been wrong so far!
I wanted Hamshaw to be successful because I want the club I support to be successful. I wanted him to sort out the mess that the previous 3 had left behind.
Unfortunately his stubborn approach to the team formation and tactics isn't working (he reminds me of a lower league Ruben Amorim) and he will probably have to pay the price. That's football for you.
Unfortunately I have absolutely zero confidence that when that happens things won't get a whole lot better.
Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

[Yak]

It's OK saying 3 stupid goals , let's paint the picture correctly, the 2nd goal shouldn't have counted, and only the ref will know why he never gave a foul on Dawson, that's 3 ref mistakes that have cost us ,in last 3 games , Bolton 1st goal offside , Blackpool the sending off that was over turned, Stockport. Foul on keeper

Did the referee make us play with wing backs leaving us wide open ?
Did he also encourage us to pump it long when it doesn?t work?
Did the referee start with the wrong team?

[Back of the net]

I don't know why you think "I'm having a go" just because I ask people what they want or expect to happen if we sack this manager. It seems a perfectly reasonable question given what's happened on previous occasions.
We've all been wrong so far!
I wanted Hamshaw to be successful because I want the club I support to be successful. I wanted him to sort out the mess that the previous 3 had left behind.
Unfortunately his stubborn approach to the team formation and tactics isn't working (he reminds me of a lower league Ruben Amorim) and he will probably have to pay the price. That's football for you.
Unfortunately I have absolutely zero confidence that when that happens things won't get a whole lot better.
Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

You are correct I should have used a better phrase than having a go at people my apologies
I agree about the reference to Amorim it?s similar fans not happy with owners and also manager.
But on that basis I watched Man Utd rip Man City to shreds today so happy days change the manager job done. 😊
I?m in my late fifties and over the years worked with business that have been poorly run. Yet they still had to sack managers who were wrong for them. Imo that?s what needs to happen now. But I think he will get the next 3 games. They could be the biggest in our recent history.

[Lolmorgan]

A word about Harry Gray, worked hard but it was like boy against men.We never really gave him anything of note, first half long ball again time after time.Tale of two halves again.when we were in trouble & Warnock came in after two games he worked out what was needed, grafters & leaders not a 17yr old wonder kid.I really do feel for him & should be in a team on the up that plays football on the floor, not us.

[Pacaman]

A word about Harry Gray, worked hard but it was like boy against men.We never really gave him anything of note, first half long ball again time after time.Tale of two halves again.when we were in trouble & Warnock came in after two games he worked out what was needed, grafters & leaders not a 17yr old wonder kid.I really do feel for him & should be in a team on the up that plays football on the floor, not us.

Interesting comments from everyone - If it?s hoofball you?re playing then that?s not Harry Gray?s game at all. You won?t see the best of him and that?s for sure.

[Heliosphan78]

Tell us why he should stay then apart from what we both agree on.
His tactics
His interviews
His signings
His philosophy
Tell us what your opinion is on that mellow.

You won't find a Rotherham fan who is entirely happy with any of those things you list. In my view, most people who want Hamshaw to stay are simply attaching more value to the longer term idea of buying young talented players and developing them. It feels like a plan that will work for this football club and Hamshaw is seen as part of that. Plus, there's the lingering argument which says that with a fully fit squad we wouldn't be in the bottom 4.

Take Steve Evans as an example. There's absolutely no way he would still be in a job had he just presided over 8 straight defeats. No chance. That's because he was brought in to deliver immediate success and a lot of the signings he made reflected this. He failed to bring instant success so he got the boot.

I'm as frustrated as anyone with Hamshaw's reluctance to change things. But when you also consider that he has 3 former pros around him then you really do begin to wonder what kind of conversations they have together in relation to tactics etc.

I'm still Hamshaw in right now but I fully accept that this run cannot go on too much longer. It just can't.

[DonPageFanClub]

I am afraid to say that MH makes little sense to me in some choices. Some players, for whatever reason are clearly no good for the team are selected and left on.
Players coming off the bench at half time yet again improve play time and again. Once you have committed players at half time you have nowhere to go from there, so they must be considered to be ok to last a half. So play them first!

Expecting anything else from a weakened side from the off other than trouble, well is cloud cuckoo land. Couple that to insistence on a 3 with inadequate WB’s…..again, baffling.

Compare Dawson’s stats as a keeper, passes attempted to % made, to the other keeper today….shocking difference.
Cannot jump for a ball and concedes a goal.

If we do not keep and play our best players, then there is only one way this season will end. Relegation. And we are sleepwalking into it.

I think MH subs were spot on today , his plan was to stay in the game until HT , with is lesser members of the squad shall we say , and then bring on betters players to try and win the game in the 2nd half , which he nearly did , and at least deserved a point,. Spence and nombe were excellent,. On to the keepers you can't blame Dawson , for not jumping for the 2nd goal he was clearly fouled . ,there keeper was there best player and kept them in the game . That why his stats were better .

[Brin]

I think MH subs were spot on today , his plan was to stay in the game until HT , with is lesser members of the squad shall we say , and then bring on betters players to try and win the game in the 2nd half , which he nearly did , and at least deserved a point,. Spence and nombe were excellent,. On to the keepers you can't blame Dawson , for not jumping for the 2nd goal he was clearly fouled . ,there keeper was there best player and kept them in the game . That why his stats were better .

I saw it more or less the same but, that was a massive gamble starting with a midfield like that. But dare he risk Spence and Nombe from the off considering they haven't played for along time? Fine lines indeed but some fans don't see that and only want everything their way.

No excuses now though, Spence, James and Nombe ALL have to start in our next game. Hopefully we may even see Gore returning along with Powell in the middle. Now that would make a good midfield and no reason to pump it long all the time. Also Pacman said Gray doesn't like long high balls so that set up og those three amy also play into HIS game.

[Yak]

I saw it more or less the same but, that was a massive gamble starting with a midfield like that. But dare he risk Spence and Nombe from the off considering they haven't played for along time? Fine lines indeed but some fans don't see that and only want everything their way.

No excuses now though, Spence, James and Nombe ALL have to start in our next game. Hopefully we may even see Gore returning along with Powell in the middle. Now that would make a good midfield and no reason to pump it long all the time. Also Pacman said Gray doesn't like long high balls so that set up og those three amy also play into HIS game.

Brin fans only want everything their way?
All due respect mate but you are out of order
I have travelled up and down the country and for the most part witness a load of ****
Having a dig at the fans and calling them out imo is shameful.
Take off your rose tinted glasses. If you want to back the manager I respect that but digging fans out like me who never miss a game is shocking. I’m pissed off with that comment I really am.

[DonPageFanClub]

Did the referee make us play with wing backs leaving us wide open ?
Did he also encourage us to pump it long when it doesn?t work?
Did the referee start with the wrong team?

No ofcause he didn't, but he did give a goal , which was a foul , and is a foul on every other Saturday in the season , we scored against Huddersfields , and it was a foul on the keeper for something that was a lesser offence than today , We are not having the breaks,, and did we really pump it long ?? The 2nd goal was very good play did we pump it long , nombe hitting the post was that pumped long , the save the keeper made off spence was that pumped long , the header from hugill was that pumped long . . We're Stockport really better than us ,, really ..,

[mellowmiller]

You are correct I should have used a better phrase than having a go at people my apologies
I agree about the reference to Amorim it?s similar fans not happy with owners and also manager.
But on that basis I watched Man Utd rip Man City to shreds today so happy days change the manager job done. 😊
I?m in my late fifties and over the years worked with business that have been poorly run. Yet they still had to sack managers who were wrong for them. Imo that?s what needs to happen now. But I think he will get the next 3 games. They could be the biggest in our recent history.

Thanks for that but no need to apologise, I guess we're all a bit wound up over the disaster that's our club at the moment.
I watched the Manchester derby too and thought United were excellent playing in a system that suited them. Carrick is a good manager though but equally importantly United knew what they were getting whereas I doubt if we would be in that position......unless of course TS goes for uncle Colin again.
Maybe TS will pull the trigger now and it would be hard for anyone to say it was the wrong decision. Unfortunately his record of managerial appointments is flakey at best, poor really, so I don't have much confidence he'll do any better this time.

[Yak]

No ofcause he didn't, but he did give a goal , which was a foul , and is a foul on every other Saturday in the season , we scored against Huddersfields , and it was a foul on the keeper for something that was a lesser offence than today , We are not having the breaks,, and did we really pump it long ?? The 2nd goal was very good play did we pump it long , nombe hitting the post was that pumped long , the save the keeper made off spence was that pumped long , the header from hugill was that pumped long . . We're Stockport really better than us ,, really ..,

Not disagreeing with you about the referee but you make your own luck. Interestingly the Stockport fans in the pub afterwards thought we played it long too much and accepted that when we played it on the deck we looked a threat. There was 7 of us there today who all thought the same but it’s all about opinions. Nombe gestured to the midfield on 3 occasions to play a simple ball when it got hoofed. Like I said it’s opinions.

[RU66]

Agree with Derby don't need anymore centre backs. Need a natural left sided player Martha & Kaleta can't play there. Big forward also. If a 4th added to the squad a right sided player. Said this before where's Duncan? Hamshaw says he's for giving young players a chance him & Hatton get them on the bench bring them along for players who don't deserve the shirt.

[Derbymiller]

I am struggling with the article that talks of MH and TS meeting and the chairman backing him in the window, the maths don’t back that really. 3 players have left an 1 in. The wages between Gray and Sherriff will have been similar as both young premier league prospects, so we have now saved the wages of Etete and Holmes’s, unlikely to be on small wages. He wants to bring in 3 more, so that means that TS has backed him with 1 extra wage!! Now all that is before we send players on loan and move players out which is stated as big wage players like Raggett and Kelly, so financially how is TS backing MH and how are we investing to try and get us out of the bottom four?

[Brin]

Brin fans only want everything their way?
All due respect mate but you are out of order
I have travelled up and down the country and for the most part witness a load of ****
Having a dig at the fans and calling them out imo is shameful.
Take off your rose tinted glasses. If you want to back the manager I respect that but digging fans out like me who never miss a game is shocking. I’m pissed off with that comment I really am.

Yak, my sincere apologies if my post personally offended you, in no way did I intend to do that. Upon reflection, the use of the word 'want' wasn't disrespecting our fans in any way and sorry if you read it like that. I suppose I could have and should have worded it better. It's all about personal choice and thoughts, which, should be respected no matter how anyone may view it differently.

It goes without saying that you are in the super fan bracket with the travelling you do, and may I say, pay costly for watching the Millers like you do. We've all witnessed some damn god awful performances this season, Huddersfield being the latest and yes I was there.

I based my reply mostly on some fans want Hamshaw sacked and now. I get it's all about the here and now and losing 7 games on the bounce, which in itself sounds atrocious and completely unacceptable but, can you honestly say he's been dealt a good hand with what he's had to work with this season? Personally, I don't feel he's had a good set up to work from.

Hamshaw doesn't come out of this squeaky clean either. His recruitments, if they were totally HIS choice?, have brought nothing to the side.

Hall - can be but isn't always committed, Etete well what a complete waste he was, Sherif looked the part but a crock, T.Holmes looked an amazing signing on his debut then?????? and finally Martha. What anyone sees in him I don't know and I wouldn't miss him if he never wore our shirt again. I can't fully comment on if they were solely his signings but he's got a very limited budget, he's new to this position and will learn from his mistakes.

What Hamshaw inherited apart from 3/4 players is a pile of crap that have offered very little and we all know who they are. Can't wait for the season to end in order to offload the lot of em.

Going back to my previous comment, I know it's not good to see our team beat week in week out but, we've have had everything thrown at us this season and don't get me started on the injuries. I've never ever seen or heard of any team, suffer with as many players out like we have this season. Who's to blame for all that? All this has created an awful season so far, Hamashaw's the Manager so sack him, however, what will that achieve?

Again my apologies to you if you felt offended as that was not my intention. I respect your points and views and we will differ on how we've seen this season unfold and what it has delivered to us Millers but, that's football for you. It can make you happy, sad, frustrated, elated and a host of other feelings such is the pull of a game to us Miilers.