Stevenage Post Match Thoughts

[KerrAvon]

Don Page is right, we have had several disappointing seasons. But that is why it is absurd to expect Hamshaw to turn things around with one transfer window and a few weeks at the helm.

I was at Stevenage and can find very little positive to say (but I agree with Frog in respect of Martha). Despite that, I hope that we stick with Hamshaw no matter how this season goes. The revolving door approach to the management of football clubs does not work and I would like to see him have time to make the necessary changes.

[Pocket rocket]

Don Page is right, we have had several disappointing seasons. But that is why it is absurd to expect Hamshaw to turn things around with one transfer window and a few weeks at the helm.

I was at Stevenage and can find very little positive to say (but I agree with Frog in respect of Martha). Despite that, I hope that we stick with Hamshaw no matter how this season goes. The revolving door approach to the management of football clubs does not work and I would like to see him have time to make the necessary changes.

People on here moaning there is no debate not just shutting posters down. It’s not about debate they just want to rip everything to pieces. Although I wouldn’t put Don Page in that category. They are happy when we sign youth until we lose them they aren’t good enough. They then want experienced players in. They moan about the tactics and style of play. MH tries something different and 2 games in it’s not good enough.
It’s the same every season some of our fan base imo are deluded and will settle for nothing else but instant winning. I genuinely think they are happy when we lose so they can pile on the manager, club anyone.

[Townerslovechild]

It's obvious some on here have an agenda with Hamshaw,apparently you can judge someone after a win and a loss,or the old ballocks that he's "too nice".
He said from the start that he us trying to change the the culture at the club and thus would take time, I'm cool with that,but apparently 2 games is long enough.
In Ronnie's first season in the month of August we played 6 games,losing 4,drawing 1 and winning 1,I think we finished that season in 10th,not far off the play offs.
He must be given the same at least.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Yes MH needs time to make his changes.

Then let us judge

[NorthWestCorner]

Would you say it wasn?t too early to sack MH then? He has to be given time in my opinion.

There has been some good points made on this thread and I would go along with the ones that are suggesting that the type of play we saw on Saturday was a type we didn?t like last season and it was mainly the old pros that were doing it.

The left for me was played with one twos but lead to nothing.
They didn?t include the new signings.

I would also say that the sole player that showed any emotion was Martha. The complained at the runners and possibility of making a pass being non existant.

Debate? Although I am driving a lot today I will come back to you. And respond politely.

For me, we are in trouble. Mainly because it’s clear to me that there is little or no organisation or control at the club. Where is the shape, formation, structure of play. Where is the effort and fight. MH says he could guarantee this but not the results. Well he’s failed so far.

So would I sack him? No, not just yet but it has to be made clear to him that we need to see some fight and organisation in the next period. Sadly though, I am prepared to say I don’t think he has it in him. I never did.

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For me, we are in trouble. Mainly because it’s clear to me that there is little or no organisation or control at the club. Where is the shape, formation, structure of play. Where is the effort and fight. MH says he could guarantee this but not the results. Well he’s failed so far.

So would I sack him? No, not just yet but it has to be made clear to him that we need to see some fight and organisation in the next period. Sadly though, I am prepared to say I don’t think he has it in him. I never did.

Yet all them things you have listed you were happy to trust SE last season who in your words failed on exactly the same issues.
You say so far well it?s 2 games.
Isn?t the real issue that you are still bitter about the way SE got treated and you were never going to give MH a real chance?
Just be honest it?s not an issue.

[Redshank]

This is the trouble ,they should be settled already , I'm sick of hearing it year after year , all teams have new players this time of year , Barnsley have six or seven new players , there creaming over ther new lads ,, we keep saying let them gel let them settle , let them get used to each other , it's bol#$#$ks ..

I was at Stevenage and felt like this straight after. I've calmed down a bit now.

The reality is we're still struggling to recover after the successful Warney era unraveled badly after he left.

We've no option but to have patience with Hamshaw.

[NorthWestCorner]

Yet all them things you have listed you were happy to trust SE last season who in your words failed on exactly the same issues.
You say so far well it?s 2 games.
Isn?t the real issue that you are still bitter about the way SE got treated and you were never going to give MH a real chance?
Just be honest it?s not an issue.

Firstly, it’s not two games. He’s had 6 months now to plan, select and put the squad together. The outcome is a random selection of cobbled together players who, I might add were rushed together at the end and clearly are not prepared for division one football. You are a fool if you think this isn’t an issue. Other teams are prepared and have a pattern of play. Hence who we got taught a lesson on Saturday. Anyone who was there know we could have easily conceded three or four.

Secondly, and check if you don’t believe me, I admitted that the SE return had failed. There is no bitterness from me there. It was time he went and things had gotten toxic between him and the players.

As I have said, I don’t like MH. It’s nothing to do with SE, it’s because I don’t believe he has it in him. Let him prove me wrong but not at the expense of relegation. We should be on the top half of this league and challenging for the playoff. That won’t happen under MH.

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Firstly, it’s not two games. He’s had 6 months now to plan, select and put the squad together. The outcome is a random selection of cobbled together players who, I might add were rushed together at the end and clearly are not prepared for division one football. You are a fool if you think this isn’t an issue. Other teams are prepared and have a pattern of play. Hence who we got taught a lesson on Saturday. Anyone who was there know we could have easily conceded three or four.

Secondly, and check if you don’t believe me, I admitted that the SE return had failed. There is no bitterness from me there. It was time he went and things had gotten toxic between him and the players.

As I have said, I don’t like MH. It’s nothing to do with SE, it’s because I don’t believe he has it in him. Let him prove me wrong but not at the expense of relegation. We should be on the top half of this league and challenging for the playoff. That won’t happen under MH.

You literally argued with anyone who criticised SE week after week.
Saying after it was time for him to go is a cop out.
You are foolish if you think different.
Your post is just rubbish you can?t stand MH for no logical reason just bitterness.
That?s how I see it.

[NorthWestCorner]

You literally argued with anyone who criticised SE week after week.
Saying after it was time for him to go is a cop out.
You are foolish if you think different.
Your post is just rubbish you can?t stand MH for no logical reason just bitterness.
That?s how I see it.

Well if that’s how you see it, it must be true. Great debate.

[frogmiller]

For me, we are in trouble. Mainly because it’s clear to me that there is little or no organisation or control at the club. Where is the shape, formation, structure of play. Where is the effort and fight. MH says he could guarantee this but not the results. Well he’s failed so far.

So would I sack him? No, not just yet but it has to be made clear to him that we need to see some fight and organisation in the next period. Sadly though, I am prepared to say I don’t think he has it in him. I never did.

The organisation of the whole club went a different way with the last manager. It was clear that he had a way of doing things that the club had manouvered away from.
Warne took years building a sustainable club on the pitch challenging to either go up or stay up in the division higher.
A lot of the staff of that era have returned and have taken the same or similar forward looking view.
It took warn 8 years to do and his start was to get rid of a whole squad and replace them.
Rob Scott was also included in the building of the football side and never in our history have we had such an amount of international players.

With the same mindset we could do the same. I think that it is clear that that is the pathway.

On the pitch we have to play the players we have and for me the older experienced players are ridged in their play. Maybe too ridged to mould. Fortunately at the end of this season a lot of those players will be out of contract with us. This means that a huge amount of the playing budget will be available.

That may be the time to judge how good MH is!

[NorthWestCorner]

The organisation of the whole club went a different way with the last manager. It was clear that he had a way of doing things that the club had manouvered away from.
Warne took years building a sustainable club on the pitch challenging to either go up or stay up in the division higher.
A lot of the staff of that era have returned and have taken the same or similar forward looking view.
It took warn 8 years to do and his start was to get rid of a whole squad and replace them.
Rob Scott was also included in the building of the football side and never in our history have we had such an amount of international players.

With the same mindset we could do the same. I think that it is clear that that is the pathway.

On the pitch we have to play the players we have and for me the older experienced players are ridged in their play. Maybe too ridged to mould. Fortunately at the end of this season a lot of those players will be out of contract with us. This means that a huge amount of the playing budget will be available.

That may be the time to judge how good MH is!

Frog, whilst I hope there is truth in your views, I am not convinced that the strategy is being backed up. For me, whilst developing young players has to be the way for a club like Rotherham, we also have to put out a credible team to entertain the fans and a team that has a chance of competing in division one.

Signings like the two Dutch lads and the lad from Celtic play into the positive strategy. Signings like Etete, the lad from Barnsley, extending Kayode and Holmes just stink of naivety or desperation. There has to be a blend.

There needs to be further investment in some of the potential from league 2 or younger premiere league talent. Barnsley sign Keillor-Dunn for 700k, a steal. We sniffed around him but was put off because Mansfield wanted more that our 300k offer. Blackpool have just splashed out on the young lad from Forrest who had made a name in the lower leagues. This is what we need to do but again we enquired and was put off by the fee. TS is stuck somewhere about 15 years ago. It’s not VFM he wants, it’s unrealistic.

And that brings me back to MH. I don’t believe he is strong enough to challenge TS. He’s a yes man. Two weeks to the end of the transfer window, an inadequate squad that now has multiple injuries all that could have been predicted. I predict we won’t sign anyone else now and we will limp into the close season and be in the bottom 5 at Christmas.

[frogmiller]

Frog, whilst I hope there is truth in your views, I am not convinced that the strategy is being backed up. For me, whilst developing young players has to be the way for a club like Rotherham, we also have to put out a credible team to entertain the fans and a team that has a chance of competing in division one.

Signings like the two Dutch lads and the lad from Celtic play into the positive strategy. Signings like Etete, the lad from Barnsley, extending Kayode and Holmes just stink of naivety or desperation. There has to be a blend.

There needs to be further investment in some of the potential from league 2 or younger premiere league talent. Barnsley sign Keillor-Dunn for 700k, a steal. We sniffed around him but was put off because Mansfield wanted more that our 300k offer. Blackpool have just splashed out on the young lad from Forrest who had made a name in the lower leagues. This is what we need to do but again we enquired and was put off by the fee. TS is stuck somewhere about 15 years ago. It’s not VFM he wants, it’s unrealistic.

And that brings me back to MH. I don’t believe he is strong enough to challenge TS. He’s a yes man. Two weeks to the end of the transfer window, an inadequate squad that now has multiple injuries all that could have been predicted. I predict we won’t sign anyone else now and we will limp into the close season and be in the bottom 5 at Christmas.

Bombe is a player we paid over a million for and every other signing we have made or players sold are often cloaked with an undisclosed label.

I don?t know where you get the yes man bit from. I know him personally and I am in a privileged position regarding certain information.
I said earlier in this thread that there have been a lot of changes in the management side as well as other issues that he has had changed.

MH is a clever bloke and is well respected in the football world at a much higher level than Rotherham United are at. But me just saying these things won?t make too much of a difference.

Only he, the way the team will play in the future and the results those changes make will determine whether he is a good manage.

I want him to have at time to prove himself and I don?t believe TS will see it any differently.

[caytonmiller]

Hamshaw has made 10 signings. If 4 or 5 of them turn out to be decent and make us money that's a dang good turnaround.
Most good managers find 1 from 10. Let's see eh