Wimbledon post match reflections

[Yak]

A lot of the stuff on here gets taken out of context because there is no tone of voice with it. I sat in the pub last night and said my issue is MH is stubborn/ arrogant. It wasn’t aggressive just my thoughts with friends some disagreed no name calling no bitterness. The name calling from BOTN and mygiddy doesn’t help either. I’ve done it myself it doesn’t help.
The game yesterday was a mirror image of the fa cup game against Swindon the manager doesn’t seemed to have learnt from that game.
His substitutions yesterday could have been done differently he got it wrong.
The man of the match yesterday is apparently available to leave. Yet we have just signed an untried defender. Make that make sense.
If you look at the stats out of the last 30 points available they are damming. The last manager who I disliked got pelters from some of the same people now accepting the stats above.
It’s clear now that the managers job is a popularity contest because there is no other logical reason to have faith in him.
2 massive points dropped yesterday yet still he seems to be above criticism from some.
He’s not learnt anything as he keeps reverting to the same system that has not been good enough that’s clear with the table and results
He’s not been judged on results he’s been judged on the fact he’s from Rotherham.
If he wasn’t from Rotherham he would be under far more scrutiny from some and imo that’s just hypocritical and unproductive the table/ results don’t lie.

[RU66]

Dawson, decent
Rafferty, position doesn't suit, constantly doubling up with others, not his best game despite effort
Jules, good game
James, reasonable performance
Powell, worked his arse off, no issues
Spence, like Powell, lots of graft
Nombe, was everywhere but didn't offer much threat
Kaleta, effort was fine but a few mistakes
Baptiste, solid performance, getting better
Yearwood, forgettable
Gray, one of our better players, lots of holding up, neat balls off/through, set up up what may have been a goal had referee not guessed at a handball

Chaotic game in large spells, some real lower end of L1 stuff, largely killed by yet another 'never played a game' ref who wanted to break play every thirty seconds. First half was pretty even, we should have killed it in the second with some of the good play.

Hamshaw absolutely at fault for the timing and volume of subs. Nombe may have been a necessary change, but the rest were clearly a 'hold on to the points' effort and it backfired quickly (as it very often does). We were in control, had attacking options, back line was comfortable... subs changed all of that. The minute they scored I knew we'd got a point at most.

We. Need. To. Show. More. Confidence.
Back the lads - fans and management alike, they're clearly capable but just as MH needed to trust them to bring it home yesterday, the fans need to be more behind them. The stands yesterday after we scored were, frankly, awkward. Barely any celebrating at all in my section, and the noise very quickly died down. When we got going yesterday we were streets ahead of them, but the energy around the place isn't right. I hope we start a game kicking the other way just to try to get that bit of life into them earlier on, going at our kop end.

Agree with most of that. Gray give him the benefit of doubt saying he'd been ill but want to see more than a cut inside player on the left.

Our problem is the bench same old not good enough Raggett McWilliams Kelly Hugill + Yearwood who started aren't. Martha Agbaire didn't bring anything to the side. Hopefully we have Gore back soon & new centre back available Tuesday. Like I've said Duncan J Holmes Hatton would be better options to bring on. Know I keep saying it but a big forward got to be the next signing needed one fit all season.

[Old_time_miller]

A lot of the stuff on here gets taken out of context because there is no tone of voice with it. I sat in the pub last night and said my issue is MH is stubborn/ arrogant. It wasn?’t aggressive just my thoughts with friends some disagreed no name calling no bitterness. The name calling from BOTN and mygiddy doesn?’t help either. I?’ve done it myself it doesn?’t help.
The game yesterday was a mirror image of the fa cup game against Swindon the manager doesn?’t seemed to have learnt from that game.
His substitutions yesterday could have been done differently he got it wrong.
The man of the match yesterday is apparently available to leave. Yet we have just signed an untried defender. Make that make sense.
If you look at the stats out of the last 30 points available they are damming. The last manager who I disliked got pelters from some of the same people now accepting the stats above.
It?’s clear now that the managers job is a popularity contest because there is no other logical reason to have faith in him.
2 massive points dropped yesterday yet still he seems to be above criticism from some.
He?’s not learnt anything as he keeps reverting to the same system that has not been good enough that?’s clear with the table and results
He?’s not been judged on results he?’s been judged on the fact he?’s from Rotherham.
If he wasn?’t from Rotherham he would be under far more scrutiny from some and imo that?’s just hypocritical and unproductive the table/ results don?’t lie.

Have you any proof that anyone for or not shouting out MH is doing so because he is a local lad? It is a neat trick to monitor all previous manager supporters’ for or not being the case, and motives clear or unclear in posts. It is a fine line being trod by many.

The point about tone in posts, being written and not spoken makes sense. I’ve just been called out in a post when the person hadn’t bothered to read a paper article or understand it and think about the post. TBH I think that and some on here are tribal, and it shows.

Is MH wrong about the back 3, yes I think he is. But he has them in training, we don’t know all and from what I see is a lot of overweight players or unfit, be that from injury which cannot be got over, or multiple. To say they looked leggy yesterday is a massive understatement.
Would a back 4 cure that? Probably not. Would it allow faster movement up the pitch? With these players, I doubt it given the small option variations coming with a 4. In the event of a 4, I think we would draw more than win. And winning seems to be everyon’s concern. When stability for the next 4 games is more important. A 4 would bring a touch more chance.

They over reach with passing, it isn’t controlled, movement is poor, they don’t have the energy. A back 3 or 4 is irrelevant mostly.

Subs were forced yesterday. What came on was inferior in performance to what left. That is a recruitment and player issue, not a manager issue, unless a sudden change in formation or play to accommodate it was. And I can tell you, is not easy to spot. Not with the std of players like kelly for example.

Things are getting mixed up. Out of context, partisan on here. What is and has gone off within NYS is more complex than is being written about.

[Heliosphan78]

His substitutions yesterday could have been done differently he got it wrong.
The man of the match yesterday is apparently available to leave. Yet we have just signed an untried defender. Make that make sense.
If you look at the stats out of the last 30 points available they are damming. The last manager who I disliked got pelters from some of the same people now accepting the stats above.
It’s clear now that the managers job is a popularity contest because there is no other logical reason to have faith in him.
2 massive points dropped yesterday yet still he seems to be above criticism from some.
He’s not learnt anything as he keeps reverting to the same system that has not been good enough that’s clear with the table and results
He’s not been judged on results he’s been judged on the fact he’s from Rotherham.
If he wasn’t from Rotherham he would be under far more scrutiny from some and imo that’s just hypocritical and unproductive the table/ results don’t lie.

I'm absolutely baffled why he keeps playing the same system and it's become pretty indefensible. Accountability obviously rests firmly with Hamshaw on this one but it makes you wonder what the conversations he has with his coaching staff look like. They must surely talk about how we set up, so what are fans missing?

Adegboyega is a young defender who we've signed on a permanent deal. Given the turnover of defensive players likely in the summer I can't understand why anyone would view this as anything other than good business for the club. Whether Jules leaves in the summer or not, we're definitely losing Raggett and Baptiste so why not act early and get another body in?

The reason Hamshaw has survived this far isn't anything to do with where he's from, but you can peddle that myth if you want. He's still here because the club have bought into the idea of signing young talented footballers, developing them and making some money in order to move us forward. That's the theory anyway. Steve Evans would have been fired weeks ago. Why? Because he was overtly short term in his approach, his signings reflected that. He didn't deliver on his short term premise so he got the boot. Injuries are another reason Hamshaw is still here. They are undeniably a significant factor in our league position.

Sacking manager after manager has contributed to where we are now. Without any doubt MH has his faults but I'm not convinced that we'll get anyone of significant quality to turn things around. For that to happen TS will have to pay off Hamshaw and then possibly compensate another club for taking their manager. I'm not sure TS has the appetite for that.

[caytonmiller]

I'm absolutely baffled why he keeps playing the same system and it's become pretty indefensible. Accountability obviously rests firmly with Hamshaw on this one but it makes you wonder what the conversations he has with his coaching staff look like. They must surely talk about how we set up, so what are fans missing?

Adegboyega is a young defender who we've signed on a permanent deal. Given the turnover of defensive players likely in the summer I can't understand why anyone would view this as anything other than good business for the club. Whether Jules leaves in the summer or not, we're definitely losing Raggett and Baptiste so why not act early and get another body in?

The reason Hamshaw has survived this far isn't anything to do with where he's from, but you can peddle that myth if you want. He's still here because the club have bought into the idea of signing young talented footballers, developing them and making some money in order to move us forward. That's the theory anyway. Steve Evans would have been fired weeks ago. Why? Because he was overtly short term in his approach, his signings reflected that. He didn't deliver on his short term premise so he got the boot. Injuries are another reason Hamshaw is still here. They are undeniably a significant factor in our league position.

Sacking manager after manager has contributed to where we are now. Without any doubt MH has his faults but I'm not convinced that we'll get anyone of significant quality to turn things around. For that to happen TS will have to pay off Hamshaw and then possibly compensate another club for taking their manager. I'm not sure TS has the appetite for that.

Great post and pretty much spot on

[caytonmiller]

A lot of the stuff on here gets taken out of context because there is no tone of voice with it. I sat in the pub last night and said my issue is MH is stubborn/ arrogant. It wasn’t aggressive just my thoughts with friends some disagreed no name calling no bitterness. The name calling from BOTN and mygiddy doesn’t help either. I’ve done it myself it doesn’t help.
The game yesterday was a mirror image of the fa cup game against Swindon the manager doesn’t seemed to have learnt from that game.
His substitutions yesterday could have been done differently he got it wrong.
The man of the match yesterday is apparently available to leave. Yet we have just signed an untried defender. Make that make sense.
If you look at the stats out of the last 30 points available they are damming. The last manager who I disliked got pelters from some of the same people now accepting the stats above.
It’s clear now that the managers job is a popularity contest because there is no other logical reason to have faith in him.
2 massive points dropped yesterday yet still he seems to be above criticism from some.
He’s not learnt anything as he keeps reverting to the same system that has not been good enough that’s clear with the table and results
He’s not been judged on results he’s been judged on the fact he’s from Rotherham.
If he wasn’t from Rotherham he would be under far more scrutiny from some and imo that’s just hypocritical and unproductive the table/ results don’t lie.

Cumon M8. After spending time in a monetary finding your inner peace, your being very negative ATM.

[Yak]

I'm absolutely baffled why he keeps playing the same system and it's become pretty indefensible. Accountability obviously rests firmly with Hamshaw on this one but it makes you wonder what the conversations he has with his coaching staff look like. They must surely talk about how we set up, so what are fans missing?

Adegboyega is a young defender who we've signed on a permanent deal. Given the turnover of defensive players likely in the summer I can't understand why anyone would view this as anything other than good business for the club. Whether Jules leaves in the summer or not, we're definitely losing Raggett and Baptiste so why not act early and get another body in?

The reason Hamshaw has survived this far isn't anything to do with where he's from, but you can peddle that myth if you want. He's still here because the club have bought into the idea of signing young talented footballers, developing them and making some money in order to move us forward. That's the theory anyway. Steve Evans would have been fired weeks ago. Why? Because he was overtly short term in his approach, his signings reflected that. He didn't deliver on his short term premise so he got the boot. Injuries are another reason Hamshaw is still here. They are undeniably a significant factor in our league position.

Sacking manager after manager has contributed to where we are now. Without any doubt MH has his faults but I'm not convinced that we'll get anyone of significant quality to turn things around. For that to happen TS will have to pay off Hamshaw and then possibly compensate another club for taking their manager. I'm not sure TS has the appetite for that.

I rest my case.
Stat?s indefensible but concentrated on me peddling a myth. Again evens had to go but MH is apparently developing young players. Martha has gone backwards as an example.
Again stats indefensible but ignore that and claim the poster is mistaken/ wrong.

[Yak]

Cumon M8. After spending time in a monetary finding your inner peace, your being very negative ATM.

Yes I agree I?m negative it?s ok nothing to see here again ignore the table stats and blame the poster.
No real evidence of the current managers strengths just the poster is negative.

[Stansmate]

Slightly off thread but

Am watchin Portsmouth v Saints local derby - ok Saints we?re Prem last yr but the standard of play is miles away from where we are now.

Simple passing , movement , players who look like they know how to play its a different dimension from us. Really put things in perspective compared to yestdi !!

Apologies Brin and gang for slightly off thread comment !!

[Heliosphan78]

I rest my case.
Stat?s indefensible but concentrated on me peddling a myth. Again evens had to go but MH is apparently developing young players. Martha has gone backwards as an example.
Again stats indefensible but ignore that and claim the poster is mistaken/ wrong.

You didn't like the peddling a myth comment but in the past you've described supporters of Hamshaw as being cult like, blinkered and lacking rationale. I've now given you some rationale but if you want to keep going on about popularity contests and only being in a job because he's from Rotherham then carry it on. I'll let you decide which is the most logical reason.

As for Martha, what do you want MH to do, turn him into someone worth 2m inside 6 months? The fact is, some of Hamshaw's signings have worked, others haven't. But tell me a manager that hasn't made a bad signing when working within a tight budget?

But if you want to talk about player development. Chris Wilder has trusted us with Baptiste, he's now here until the end of the season. Manchester United are obviously pleased with the development of Dan Gore. We now have a potential superstar in Harry Gray for a few months. Do you think we have these young players because Hamshaw is a useless coach?

[Yak]

You didn't like the peddling a myth comment but in the past you've described supporters of Hamshaw as being cult like, blinkered and lacking rationale. I've now given you some rationale but if you want to keep going on about popularity contests and only being in a job because he's from Rotherham then carry it on. I'll let you decide which is the most logical reason.

As for Martha, what do you want MH to do, turn him into someone worth 2m inside 6 months? The fact is, some of Hamshaw's signings have worked, others haven't. But tell me a manager that hasn't made a bad signing when working within a tight budget?

But if you want to talk about player development. Chris Wilder has trusted us with Baptiste, he's now here until the end of the season. Manchester United are obviously pleased with the development of Dan Gore. We now have a potential superstar in Harry Gray for a few months. Do you think we have these young players because Hamshaw is a useless coach?

You said our model is selling players on for a profit? Which of those LOAN players are we selling on for a profit? 🤣🤣🤣 do you realise how daft you sound , not our players ffs. Think before you quote players.
Still no comment on the stats last 10 games etc?

[Brin]

Slightly off thread but

Am watchin Portsmouth v Saints local derby - ok Saints we?re Prem last yr but the standard of play is miles away from where we are now.

Simple passing , movement , players who look like they know how to play its a different dimension from us. Really put things in perspective compared to yestdi !!

Apologies Brin and gang for slightly off thread comment !!

Stansmate, nothing wrong with a quick off thread post, christ, I've even put a thread up about Barry Bannan leaving Weds. How much away from the Millers is that?

[Brin]

Just want to say there's some healthy debate/discussion going on about yesterday and it makes for good reading.

Opinions differ but remain respectful which is also good to see.

Having read through them all, I have to concur with what a lot has been covered by everyone. There's blame, there's praise, we just have to get it all balanced out, starting with both Hamshaw and the players.

You look at the goal attempts - A great one handed save from their keeper from Spence' back heel, that could have been 1-0.

Unfortunately the Ref sees Grays handball which looked questionable? That again may have resulted in a goal.

The three hammered chances in the second half in a 10 second spell, how one of those didn't go in? Good defensive play by the Wombles, a mass of bodies and their keeper again. We're now talking 4/5 goals.

Finally, Jules last minute header, just wanted heading into the ground. Yes there were enough chances for us to have won that game, that's why I still look optimistically towards Tuesday night and the rest of the season. Never say die until it's mathematically impossible to stay up!

[Heliosphan78]

You said our model is selling players on for a profit? Which of those LOAN players are we selling on for a profit? 🤣🤣🤣 do you realise how daft you sound , not our players ffs. Think before you quote players.
Still no comment on the stats last 10 games etc?

I don't know what you're struggling to understand here but I'll say it again, this time using different words in simple English.

You said that Martha has gone backwards which is a fairly strong suggestion that you don't think we're any good at developing young players. If that's true, my response to you is to ask why some elite clubs are trusting us to nurture some of their young talent?

Furthermore, if things are not great behind the scenes and coaching isn't very good, ask yourself why Baptiste and Gore are happy to still be here. And by the way, have any of those gone backwards?

You want a comment on the last 10 games? I'm glad you ask. It's unacceptable and needs to change. Hamshaw is making a good case for his sacking right now, especially with some of his decisions. However some of us aren't convinced that sacking him will change very much and that some stability and a long term plan is perhaps what this club needs right now.

[Pocket rocket]

You didn't like the peddling a myth comment but in the past you've described supporters of Hamshaw as being cult like, blinkered and lacking rationale. I've now given you some rationale but if you want to keep going on about popularity contests and only being in a job because he's from Rotherham then carry it on. I'll let you decide which is the most logical reason.

As for Martha, what do you want MH to do, turn him into someone worth 2m inside 6 months? The fact is, some of Hamshaw's signings have worked, others haven't. But tell me a manager that hasn't made a bad signing when working within a tight budget?

But if you want to talk about player development. Chris Wilder has trusted us with Baptiste, he's now here until the end of the season. Manchester United are obviously pleased with the development of Dan Gore. We now have a potential superstar in Harry Gray for a few months. Do you think we have these young players because Hamshaw is a useless coach?

I used to love this site it was full of debate and top posters who would argue, yes but would answer the question.

It’s now like this totally oblivious to the question of his record stats but just spouts a load of ****e.
Not interesting in defending his record just interested in discrediting the poster.
I’ve always been called a happy clapper and would never call for a managers head. The few on here that criticise the manager are met with sarcastic comments but very little evidence of his credentials apart from he’s supposedly here to develop talent and sell for a profit. He’s had injuries etc
His signings generally haven’t been great. He says he’s inherited issues but his better performers are players he hasn’t signed. He says he will always thank the fans but goes straight down the tunnel unless we win which is rare. He says he will always communicate with the supporters but his latest interview about the length of contract is arrogant.
He had his 2 favoured forwards yesterday but we just hoofed it up top the first half which is awful to watch and has no effect.
We played better second half when YES WE CHANGED FORMATION.
We switched back and wow it didn’t work.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’s got anything about him apart from relegation.
It’s just smoke and mirrors.
This site is now full of posters who can not justify our league position or current form apart from injuries truth is they have no intention of trying to defend the record because they have nothing to offer.
He has set a new record in this league for us. Yet again no comment just criticism for the ones criticising him.
A once great site now home to as a recent poster described it as not worth the effort due to posters who are only interested in discrediting the poster and don’t have much else to offer.
I’m going to Exeter with 4 balanced loyal supporters who no longer post on here as it’s now home to their words not mine the Hamshaw delusion community.
If I could advise the ones getting stick for criticising him I would give the site a swerve you are wasting your breath.