If TS Changes the Manager....

[UlleyMiller]

Firstly, the barometer for a successful chairman isn't the number of managers or how they leave. Most are sacked, that's the game. Some clubs operate fine with churn, others don't. We've had a lot of success under TS for a club of our size (we're L1/third tier, despite what was said recently) and the one man who gave us the most success still divides fans despite the promotions and amount of time spent here. We're a hard crowd to please.

Secondly, who TF would want this job right now? Peak Warnock is about the only person I could think of who would relish the challenge of getting this lot playing well for two and a bit months, and that would only potentially buy us L1 status for next year before the headache returns.

We've got a mountain to climb with the teams we're yet to play (mostly in contention to reach play-offs or better), the congestion we have to deal with (all those above us have cleared a game or two more), the unforgiving fans (half will inevitably think you're the wrong man on day one and start the countdown to when they can whinge), and a chairman who's interest has more ups and downs than Paul Warne's CV. Thankless task, sh** money, bad timing. If Warnock isn't an option, let MH wrap up his managerial career with a relegation and start the ground-up rebuild on May 3rd.

Hope departed on Saturday.



PS, Artell???!!?!? Jesus.... I'm as fond of the playing days as anyone, but he's not the answer to any questions we have right now.

[CAMiller]

The silence from the club is deafening, they either need to back him or sack him. At least we will know where we stand

I see where you are going DM. You are looking for the vote of confidence in the hope that it will have the accustomed catastrophic outcome, usually within a couple of days

[Derbymiller]

I see where you are going DM. You are looking for the vote of confidence in the hope that it will have the accustomed catastrophic outcome, usually within a couple of days

No CAM I would just like to see some leadership.
I genuinely don't think a change with 14 games to go will save us, so assuming the owner is as smart as people say he will have a relegation termination clause in the contract with MH and TS will invoke that once relegation is confirmed. It is a no lose decision for him now. He saves money on the termination, he can say look at how I back my manager. That all helps with the person brought in to give us a good year in L2 next season. Also a lot of expensive players will be moved on in the summer with contract ends and relegation clauses again.
I would be surprise if MH gets us another 12 points, it could even be less. However I will keep going this season and decide on season ticket renewal when I see who we appoint in May (or earlier if they left MH go once relegation confirmed).

[Townerslovechild]

I think that the Hamshaw plan,younger players with a sell on value,hard work and organisation is a decent idea for a club with a smallish fan base who want to get to the Champ and stay there,the only other way we could do it would be attract a lot more fans,or someone who wants to spend sh*t loads of money.
Our best managers,Ronnie,Warne and Evans realised this pretty quickly,and it worked to a degree,staying in the Championship really is a step too far for us,without some amazing manager who is able to attract good players for next to nowt.
So if MH is to leave I think we should be looking at someone who has a similar plan going forward,just do it better !

[Timbertop]

Twitterati saying Hamshaw?s been sacked.

[howdydoo]

A Call for Perspective from my pal AI

Respecting the Legacy

To the supporters and the critics, it is time we take a hard look at the reality of our situation and show some much-needed empathy for our Chairman, Tony Stewart. At 80 years old, he has reached a season of life where most have long since stepped back to enjoy their peace. Instead, he has continued to carry the weight of this club on his shoulders.

While criticism is part of football, we need to acknowledge the human element: he is simply getting older, and the demands of modern football ownership are relentless.


The Warne Turning Point

We must also address the "elephant in the room." Many within our ranks spent months calling for Paul Warne to go, fueled by short-term frustration. The reality we face today is the answer to the question: “How did that work out for us?”

Stability vs. Chaos: Since Warne left, we have seen exactly how difficult it is to replace a manager who truly understood the DNA of this club.

The Golden Window: In hindsight, the departure of Warne was the natural moment for a transition of ownership. Had Tony Stewart sold the club then, he could have left on a high note, ensuring a fresh start for the new era.

Moving Forward with Respect

Tony Stewart has given years of his life and significant resources to keep this club afloat. Hating on a man who is clearly in the twilight of his tenure helps no one. We should be advocating for a graceful exit and a responsible sale, rather than directing vitriol at an 80-year-old man who has simply stayed too long.

Let’s remember where we came from before we lose sight of where we are going.

[Timbertop]

The twitter clown has retracted his post about Hamshaw exit. Mr Smith unlikely to sack him.

[Old_time_miller]

I'm hoping hold-up replacing Hamshaw as manager is agreeing a settlement with another club to get theirs here. Someone like Revell or Artell. MH he's got to go he's lost the fans not for the 1st time in his less than a year here.

So, fans know best do they?

[Old_time_miller]

The silence from the club is deafening, they either need to back him or sack him. At least we will know where we stand

They are deciding what to do, can you not hear the cogs going round.

[kentmillerman]

A Call for Perspective from my pal AI

Respecting the Legacy

To the supporters and the critics, it is time we take a hard look at the reality of our situation and show some much-needed empathy for our Chairman, Tony Stewart. At 80 years old, he has reached a season of life where most have long since stepped back to enjoy their peace. Instead, he has continued to carry the weight of this club on his shoulders.

While criticism is part of football, we need to acknowledge the human element: he is simply getting older, and the demands of modern football ownership are relentless.


The Warne Turning Point

We must also address the "elephant in the room." Many within our ranks spent months calling for Paul Warne to go, fueled by short-term frustration. The reality we face today is the answer to the question: ?How did that work out for us??

Stability vs. Chaos: Since Warne left, we have seen exactly how difficult it is to replace a manager who truly understood the DNA of this club.

The Golden Window: In hindsight, the departure of Warne was the natural moment for a transition of ownership. Had Tony Stewart sold the club then, he could have left on a high note, ensuring a fresh start for the new era.

Moving Forward with Respect

Tony Stewart has given years of his life and significant resources to keep this club afloat. Hating on a man who is clearly in the twilight of his tenure helps no one. We should be advocating for a graceful exit and a responsible sale, rather than directing vitriol at an 80-year-old man who has simply stayed too long.

Let?s remember where we came from before we lose sight of where we are going.

Excellent post. My two pence input for what its worth, we have had a great experience over the years at the NYS with Mr Stewart at the helm along with Evans The current situation is one of a few of the lowest points for RUFC. If, Hamshaw has a relegation clause for dismissal, and if the rumours s are true the club are in negotiations for the release of a new coach then we should have patience and hope for better things. I don't think TS will sack Hamshaw even though his win rate is abysmal. Maybe Phil Smith has something more of an influence.

[GlennMiller]

We're currently 5 points from safety. If that gap extends to 6+, I think we're doomed. I reckon TS' thinking will be; give MH the chance to drag us to safety because the cost of sacking him and bringing in a new manager is too great a risk and we will probably be relegated anyway.

The decline in our fortunes began when Warne wasn't given the resources to establish a reliable Championship squad. Nothing is certain, but had we retained the best manager that we've had in recent times and given him the wherewithal to underpin his potential, things could be looking mighty different down NYS!

[Back of the net]

A Call for Perspective from my pal AI

Respecting the Legacy

To the supporters and the critics, it is time we take a hard look at the reality of our situation and show some much-needed empathy for our Chairman, Tony Stewart. At 80 years old, he has reached a season of life where most have long since stepped back to enjoy their peace. Instead, he has continued to carry the weight of this club on his shoulders.

While criticism is part of football, we need to acknowledge the human element: he is simply getting older, and the demands of modern football ownership are relentless.


The Warne Turning Point

We must also address the "elephant in the room." Many within our ranks spent months calling for Paul Warne to go, fueled by short-term frustration. The reality we face today is the answer to the question: “How did that work out for us?”

Stability vs. Chaos: Since Warne left, we have seen exactly how difficult it is to replace a manager who truly understood the DNA of this club.

The Golden Window: In hindsight, the departure of Warne was the natural moment for a transition of ownership. Had Tony Stewart sold the club then, he could have left on a high note, ensuring a fresh start for the new era.

Moving Forward with Respect

Tony Stewart has given years of his life and significant resources to keep this club afloat. Hating on a man who is clearly in the twilight of his tenure helps no one. We should be advocating for a graceful exit and a responsible sale, rather than directing vitriol at an 80-year-old man who has simply stayed too long.

Let’s remember where we came from before we lose sight of where we are going.

I wonder if AI watches an incompetent coach making disastrous decisions week in week out.

[mellowmiller]

A Call for Perspective from my pal AI

Respecting the Legacy

To the supporters and the critics, it is time we take a hard look at the reality of our situation and show some much-needed empathy for our Chairman, Tony Stewart. At 80 years old, he has reached a season of life where most have long since stepped back to enjoy their peace. Instead, he has continued to carry the weight of this club on his shoulders.

While criticism is part of football, we need to acknowledge the human element: he is simply getting older, and the demands of modern football ownership are relentless.


The Warne Turning Point

We must also address the "elephant in the room." Many within our ranks spent months calling for Paul Warne to go, fueled by short-term frustration. The reality we face today is the answer to the question: “How did that work out for us?”

Stability vs. Chaos: Since Warne left, we have seen exactly how difficult it is to replace a manager who truly understood the DNA of this club.

The Golden Window: In hindsight, the departure of Warne was the natural moment for a transition of ownership. Had Tony Stewart sold the club then, he could have left on a high note, ensuring a fresh start for the new era.

Moving Forward with Respect

Tony Stewart has given years of his life and significant resources to keep this club afloat. Hating on a man who is clearly in the twilight of his tenure helps no one. We should be advocating for a graceful exit and a responsible sale, rather than directing vitriol at an 80-year-old man who has simply stayed too long.

Let’s remember where we came from before we lose sight of where we are going.

That's an interesting last sentence.
What happened to "Premier League in 5 years" and "incremental improvements"?
No-one is saying we haven't had some good times under TS's ownership but the sad reality is we seem to be heading back to square one.

[Old_time_miller]

We're currently 5 points from safety. If that gap extends to 6+, I think we're doomed. I reckon TS' thinking will be; give MH the chance to drag us to safety because the cost of sacking him and bringing in a new manager is too great a risk and we will probably be relegated anyway.

The decline in our fortunes began when Warne wasn't given the resources to establish a reliable Championship squad. Nothing is certain, but had we retained the best manager that we've had in recent times and given him the wherewithal to underpin his potential, things could be looking mighty different down NYS!

Quite right, and we are and will suffer for it.

[Old_time_miller]

If you make hamshaw a coach, like Henson was moved into the office, pay warne and barker an absolute fortune, not that they would come in their position (though smith here could swing it) then we may just have a chance.

Pie in the sky of course. the big problem is one which Hamshaw keeps saying, we cannot keep the best players fit.