O/T Artemis II - is this just

[Stansmate]

Never believed they went anyway.

With all the technological advances since then ( ie smart phones ) it ain?t happened again !!

Its cos it never happened - was just a US competition with USSSR

Beam me up scotty !! Loada bawlax

Red Army 😜

[Spuddy Speight]

I haven't joined a debate because there isn't one actually happening. All I've seen is John ask you a couple of questions which you've chosen to ignore and now you seem to have retreated into your own little world of ambiguity.

You don't actually say anything in your post above, literally nothing. I've read it a couple of times and I've taken nothing from it. It just reads like a confused mess.

Have another go but if you can't write with a degree of clarity, I won't reply.

It's okay you don't have to reply.
I'm sure someone else will join in when you have left. Perhaps John will return the favour and speak for you?
Soon be Good Friday and time to change the record, eh?

[avondalemiller]

John 2,
I don't always agree on what you say, but this time you've tied him in knots.....which was quite easy.......UTM.

[Scum-Triumphant]

There are far too many people across the world for there not to be a whistle blower if it was all a hoax.
Trump calls truth fake news. So he would definitely discredit any Chinese or Russian space exploring for a start.

3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead is an old saying in organised crime. Let alone the 1000s that work at NASA

The bigger picture for me is that there could be fuel shortages round the corner but there?s a rocket full blasting 4 people around the moon and back.

No one is suggesting they get the bus to work.

[Spuddy Speight]

John 2,
I don't always agree on what you say, but this time you've tied him in knots.....which was quite easy.......UTM.

Think some have missed the point. In fact it's gone over the top of their heads completely.
But hey, go ahead, what would've been your idea of filling up the past few days with something when RUFC didn't have a game?
It's Good Friday.
Have a good 'un!

[John2]

Think some have missed the point. In fact it's gone over the top of their heads completely.
But hey, go ahead, what would've been your idea of filling up the past few days with something when RUFC didn't have a game?
It's Good Friday.
Have a good 'un!

Here's a 25 minute video tour of the ISS that takes place in weightlessness in long continous shots way before AI was a thing, and clearly completely impossible using the brief weightlessness method you described.

If you think humans are physically unable to handle speeds required to achieve this (you've not told us where your number came from), how do you think this 13 year old video tour was made? There are tours like this going back much further too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doN4t5NKW-k

[sota]

That’s a brilliant video, John. I read a lot of sci fi (Gerald M Kilby etc) and it’s great to see in real life some of the kit mentioned in the books

[sota]

Ps wow Sunny Williams is some woman!

[Spuddy Speight]

If you think humans are physically unable to handle speeds required to achieve this (you've not told us where your number came from), how do you think this 13 year old video tour was made? There are tours like this going back much further too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doN4t5NKW-k[/QUOTE]



Interesting video of ISS interior however....

This is a call to action for the **San Diego "Artemis II" "Orion " "Splash Down Hoax Observation Campaign**.

Whether you are looking to expose a multi-billion dollar deception or prove the official narrative of a return from "deep space," the only thing that matters is high-resolution, verifiable data.

On **April 10, 2026**, the "Artemis II capsule" is scheduled to splash down at **32.7? N, 118.2? W** at **5:06 PM PDT**.

This puts the target zone roughly **60 to 80 miles West-Southwest of San Diego**.

### **THE CHALLENGE: MISSION OBJECTIVE**

The goal is to capture the transition from "plasma reentry" to "parachute deployment", and Splash Down.

* **The Official Claim:** A 10-ton capsule slowing from **24,800 mph** to **20 mph** using only atmospheric friction and parachutes.

* **The Skeptic?s Hypothesis:** A high-altitude carrier aircraft (C-17 or similar) dropping a dummy capsule under the cover of the marine layer and the blinding 5:00 PM sun.

### **THE SETUP: EQUIPMENT & TACTICS**

**1. The "Light Trap" Baffle (Critical for P900/P1000 Users)**

At 5:00 PM, the sun will be at a **24? elevation** in the West. This glare will wash out any sensor.

* **The Build:** Use a lightweight PVC or cardboard, ...fiber tube extended at least 12?18 inches past your lens.

* **The Coating:** Coat the *inside* of the tube with **Black 4.0** or **Musou Black** paint.

This creates a "light trap" to absorb off-axis sunlight, allowing you to see contrast and detail in a bright sky.

**2. The Spotter/Zoom Array**

Don't hunt for a needle in a haystack alone. Work in teams:

* **The Spotters:** 2?3 people using wide-angle spotting scopes or binoculars to scan the West-Southwest horizon for the initial "streak" or silhouette.

* **The Shooters:** 10?20 people with **Nikon P900/P1000** cameras on heavy-duty tripods.

Once the spotters call out the coordinates (e.g., "Azimuth 260, Elevation 30!"), everyone zeros in.

### **WHERE TO STAND: PRIME OBSERVATION POSTS**

To get above the coastal "Marine Layer" (fog/haze), you need elevation.

* **Mount Soledad (La Jolla):** Offers a 360-degree view and high elevation to look over the coastal mist.

* **Cabrillo National Monument (Point Loma):** The closest land point to the splashdown coordinates.

* **Mount Laguna:** Further inland but much higher elevation (6,000+ ft) for the clearest possible atmosphere.

### **WHAT TO LOOK FOR (THE "SMOKING GUN")**

* **The "Drop" Aircraft:** Use your 125x zoom to look for a carrier plane at high altitude (30,000?50,000 ft) minutes before the "reentry" appears.

* **The Speed Anomaly:** If the "capsule" is already traveling at sub-sonic speeds when it first appears, it didn't come from a 24,000 mph orbital skip.

* **The Parachute Origin:** Does the deployment happen from a falling "fireball" or a steady-state object that was just released from a plane?

### **MISSION DETAILS SUMMARY**

* **Date:** Friday, April 10, 2026

* **Setup Time:** 4:00 PM PDT (to calibrate for the sun angle)

* **Splashdown Time:** 5:06 PM PDT

* **Coordinates:** 32.7? N, 118.2? W (Outer Santa Barbara Channel)

* **Sun Position:** Azimuth 260? (WSW), Elevation 24?

Look Folks --
This is a **$100 billion question**. No more CGI, no more "official" tracking maps. Just raw glass, high zoom, and the truth of what is actually falling into the Pacific, and by what means.

Who?s heading to the coast with their Cameras, and light baffles ready?
We will be waiting.

Fact is there's already enough evidence exposing the NASA fraud, but this proof is undeniable even to the most ardent believers of space travel.

[Eternal Optimist]

...Fact is there's already enough evidence exposing the NASA fraud, but this proof is undeniable even to the most ardent believers of space travel.

Wow. These people sound really determined to expose NASA!

[Jocksgloves1]

It don't care whether it's true or not (it's true). It's a pity th

[Jocksgloves1]

It's a pity that these multi- billionaires haven't better things to spend their disgusting amounts of money on.
Plenty of starving people won't care about what the dark side of the moon looks like.
Maybe they could even pay their taxes over here?

[great_fire]

It's a pity that these multi- billionaires haven't better things to spend their disgusting amounts of money on.
Plenty of starving people won't care about what the dark side of the moon looks like.
Maybe they could even pay their taxes over here?

This is a NASA mission, it's American taxpayers' money.

[kentmillerman]

If you think humans are physically unable to handle speeds required to achieve this (you've not told us where your number came from), how do you think this 13 year old video tour was made? There are tours like this going back much further too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doN4t5NKW-k

Interesting video of ISS interior however....

This is a call to action for the **San Diego "Artemis II" "Orion " "Splash Down Hoax Observation Campaign**.

Whether you are looking to expose a multi-billion dollar deception or prove the official narrative of a return from "deep space," the only thing that matters is high-resolution, verifiable data.

On **April 10, 2026**, the "Artemis II capsule" is scheduled to splash down at **32.7? N, 118.2? W** at **5:06 PM PDT**.

This puts the target zone roughly **60 to 80 miles West-Southwest of San Diego**.

### **THE CHALLENGE: MISSION OBJECTIVE**

The goal is to capture the transition from "plasma reentry" to "parachute deployment", and Splash Down.

* **The Official Claim:** A 10-ton capsule slowing from **24,800 mph** to **20 mph** using only atmospheric friction and parachutes.

* **The Skeptic?s Hypothesis:** A high-altitude carrier aircraft (C-17 or similar) dropping a dummy capsule under the cover of the marine layer and the blinding 5:00 PM sun.

### **THE SETUP: EQUIPMENT & TACTICS**

**1. The "Light Trap" Baffle (Critical for P900/P1000 Users)**

At 5:00 PM, the sun will be at a **24? elevation** in the West. This glare will wash out any sensor.

* **The Build:** Use a lightweight PVC or cardboard, ...fiber tube extended at least 12?18 inches past your lens.

* **The Coating:** Coat the *inside* of the tube with **Black 4.0** or **Musou Black** paint.

This creates a "light trap" to absorb off-axis sunlight, allowing you to see contrast and detail in a bright sky.

**2. The Spotter/Zoom Array**

Don't hunt for a needle in a haystack alone. Work in teams:

* **The Spotters:** 2?3 people using wide-angle spotting scopes or binoculars to scan the West-Southwest horizon for the initial "streak" or silhouette.

* **The Shooters:** 10?20 people with **Nikon P900/P1000** cameras on heavy-duty tripods.

Once the spotters call out the coordinates (e.g., "Azimuth 260, Elevation 30!"), everyone zeros in.

### **WHERE TO STAND: PRIME OBSERVATION POSTS**

To get above the coastal "Marine Layer" (fog/haze), you need elevation.

* **Mount Soledad (La Jolla):** Offers a 360-degree view and high elevation to look over the coastal mist.

* **Cabrillo National Monument (Point Loma):** The closest land point to the splashdown coordinates.

* **Mount Laguna:** Further inland but much higher elevation (6,000+ ft) for the clearest possible atmosphere.

### **WHAT TO LOOK FOR (THE "SMOKING GUN")**

* **The "Drop" Aircraft:** Use your 125x zoom to look for a carrier plane at high altitude (30,000?50,000 ft) minutes before the "reentry" appears.

* **The Speed Anomaly:** If the "capsule" is already traveling at sub-sonic speeds when it first appears, it didn't come from a 24,000 mph orbital skip.

* **The Parachute Origin:** Does the deployment happen from a falling "fireball" or a steady-state object that was just released from a plane?

### **MISSION DETAILS SUMMARY**

* **Date:** Friday, April 10, 2026

* **Setup Time:** 4:00 PM PDT (to calibrate for the sun angle)

* **Splashdown Time:** 5:06 PM PDT

* **Coordinates:** 32.7? N, 118.2? W (Outer Santa Barbara Channel)

* **Sun Position:** Azimuth 260? (WSW), Elevation 24?

Look Folks --
This is a **$100 billion question**. No more CGI, no more "official" tracking maps. Just raw glass, high zoom, and the truth of what is actually falling into the Pacific, and by what means.

Who?s heading to the coast with their Cameras, and light baffles ready?
We will be waiting.

Fact is there's already enough evidence exposing the NASA fraud, but this proof is undeniable even to the most ardent believers of space travel.[/QUOTE]


You really need to get out more. Have to admire your fishing trip though.

[Spuddy Speight]

Interesting
You really need to get out more. Have to admire your fishing trip though.

Two well worn clich?s used there. Looks like they've worn you out hence your use of a sleepy bye byes emoji.
Other clich?s are available.

I'm wondering if you also believe that
The Blue Origin NS-31 short space mission, was successfully launched on April 14, 2025, featuring the six-person crew included Aisha Bowe, Amanda Nguyễn, Gayle King, Katy Perry, Kerianne Flynn, and Lauren S?nchez?
The six women went into some kind of space but who was driving the rocket? None of the women had any prior training in handling any rocket. But hey, it wasn't necessary because that too never happened!!

Bit of extra info when you wake up from your sleepy by byes. Blue Origin Enterprises, L.P. is a private American space technology company headquartered in Kent, Washington.
Blue Origin is owned and was founded by Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon.


And the Artemis II mission?
A mock up space capsule will probably splash down elsewhere in the sea now that the co-ordinates have been leaked into the public domain.
Or perhaps a splashdown in the dark? Now that would be brilliant. Nothing to see here, eh?