O/T Artemis II - is this just

[John2]

Good job they didn't go as the material on the soles of the astronauts' boots at that time, 1969, were made of deep, silicone rubber ribs designed to provide grip on the fine, powdery, and abrasive lunar regolith.
Not much protection for the feet from the high temperatures on the Lunar surface, eh?

You are a troll, you can't actually be so dumb.

Those space suits are insulated and water cooled. You seem to see big number and imagine the reaction of bare feet.

[kentmillerman]

You are a troll, you can't actually be so dumb.

Those space suits are insulated and water cooled. You seem to see big number and imagine the reaction of bare feet.

Don't bite John 2. He and the "old time miller" are the same persona in my opinion.

[Spuddy Speight]

The speeds of various calibre bullets travel as follows...

"9mm Handgun: ~1,100?1,300 fps (roughly 750?900 mph)."

"AK-47 (Rifle): ~2,300 fps (about 1,600 mph)."

"High-Velocity Rifle (.220 Swift): Over 4,000 fps (over 2,700 mph)."

Bullets when fired from a gun/rifle travel so fast that they cannot possibly be seen by the naked eye.
Yet we're led to believe that the Artemis II rocket reached a speed of approx 25 thousand miles per hour.

This is the "speed required to escape Earth's gravity, known as escape velocity, and is approximately 11.2 kilometers per second or 25 thousand miles per hour,
Mach 33."

"This speed allows an object to break free from the planet's gravitational pull and avoid falling back to the surface."

And my question is, if the Artemis II rocket reached the supposed 25 thousand miles per hour speed, how was it still visible to the naked eye several minutes after being launched?

Answer. It's just one big deception.

[CAMiller]

I guess the fact that the rocket is over 300' long with a 27' diameter might have something to do with it being visible.

[Spuddy Speight]

If a projectile/rocket were to travel and then begin accelerating at speeds up to 25 thousand miles per hour we would not even see it within our own atmosphere ( the sky above) as it would be moving too fast to register with the naked eye.
But hey, each to their own.

[John2]

The speeds of various calibre bullets travel as follows...

"9mm Handgun: ~1,100?1,300 fps (roughly 750?900 mph)."

"AK-47 (Rifle): ~2,300 fps (about 1,600 mph)."

"High-Velocity Rifle (.220 Swift): Over 4,000 fps (over 2,700 mph)."

Bullets when fired from a gun/rifle travel so fast that they cannot possibly be seen by the naked eye.
Yet we're led to believe that the Artemis II rocket reached a speed of approx 25 thousand miles per hour.

This is the "speed required to escape Earth's gravity, known as escape velocity, and is approximately 11.2 kilometers per second or 25 thousand miles per hour,
Mach 33."

"This speed allows an object to break free from the planet's gravitational pull and avoid falling back to the surface."

And my question is, if the Artemis II rocket reached the supposed 25 thousand miles per hour speed, how was it still visible to the naked eye several minutes after being launched?

Answer. It's just one big deception.

I don't mind playing with trolls if it helps otherwise prevent gullible people falling for the propoganda.

If a car drove past you at 500mph, you'd probably barely see it as it would fly by so fast. However if you look at a big object that is far away, like an airplane - it looks like it barely moving despite travelling at 500mph.

It's the same principle. Surely you've seen an airplane before. If it was moving 20x faster do you think it would magically become be invisible?

[Heliosphan78]

And my question is, if the Artemis II rocket reached the supposed 25 thousand miles per hour speed, how was it still visible to the naked eye several minutes after being launched?

Answer. It's just one big deception.

By asking that question, you've just demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing about it.

They didn't reach a speed of 25,000 mph. They stayed in Earth's orbit for about a day so that the crew could check everything was functioning correctly before committing themselves to the journey. The spacecraft then did something called a Trans Lunar Burn, which accelerated them to that speed approximately 24 hours after launch.

As an aside, the ISS travels at around 17,500 mph which is much faster than a bullet, yet you can see it with the naked eye. Unbelievable eh? I bet that's blown your mind.

[Spuddy Speight]

You're not actually saying anything at all here really, just muddying the waters.

Just a thought from Spuddy Speight..
Is it the waters above or the waters below?

We're 3D beings, so our perception here on planet earth is 3D. That is our reality. A 2D being would only perceive a world where things only move left, right, forwards or backwards. There is no up or down in a 2D world, that's a different perception.

So how do you reconcile that with a rocket taking off into space? I've got absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make.

[QUOTE=Heliosphan78;40815523]I haven't joined a debate because there isn't one actually happening. All I've seen is John ask you a couple of questions which you've chosen to ignore and now you seem to have retreated into your own little world of ambiguity.

You don't actually say anything in your post above, literally nothing. I've read it a couple of times and I've taken nothing from it. It just reads like a confused mess.

Have another go but if you can't write with a degree of clarity, I won't reply.[/QUOTE

By asking that question, you've just demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing about it.

They didn't reach a speed of 25,000 mph. They stayed in Earth's orbit for about a day so that the crew could check everything was functioning correctly before committing themselves to the journey. The spacecraft then did something called a Trans Lunar Burn, which accelerated them to that speed approximately 24 hours after launch.

As an aside, the ISS travels at around 17,500 mph which is much faster than a bullet, yet you can see it with the naked eye. Unbelievable eh? I bet that's blown your mind.

Welcome back
You say and I quote,
"They stayed in Earth's orbit for about a day etc " the spacecraft then did something called a "Trans Lunar Burn, which accelerated them to that speed approximately 24 hours after launch."
"Trans Lunar Burn". I wonder who thought that one up?" You've certainly bought into it. It must be right.


One fact still remains that the "speed required to escape Earth's gravity, known as escape velocity is approximately 11.2 kilometers per second or 25 thousand miles per hour,
That's Mach 33."
So, there they were floating around planet Earth for about a day after launch and then without any rockets, remember these had been used to get them to float above the Earth's surface, the Crew managed to pick up speed to reach the required escape velocity to escape Earth's gravity.
How did they manage to power up the craft to reach the required escape velocity?
Don't tell me. I know it, I know it!
The pilot turned the warp speed control dial up just a tad? And hey presto, they were steady away!!

[Heliosphan78]

Welcome back
You say and I quote,
"They stayed in Earth's orbit for about a day etc " the spacecraft then did something called a "Trans Lunar Burn, which accelerated them to that speed approximately 24 hours after launch."
"Trans Lunar Burn". I wonder who thought that one up?" You've certainly bought into it. It must be right.

Can you imagine being so stupid that you invent a conspiracy theory to try and discredit something which you don't even understand in the first place? The only thing dafter is doing what you did and copying whoever it was and then trying to pass it off as fact.

And what exactly have I bought into? You don't know what I've bought into because quite clearly, you don't understand it. You thought the rocket accelerated them directly to 25,000 mph. So I certainly won't be buying into anything you say after you proved conclusively that you don't know what you're talking about.

But here you are, still asking dumb questions...

One fact still remains that the "speed required to escape Earth's gravity, known as escape velocity is approximately 11.2 kilometers per second or 25 thousand miles per hour,
That's Mach 33."
So, there they were floating around planet Earth for about a day after launch and then without any rockets, remember these had been used to get them to float above the Earth's surface, the Crew managed to pick up speed to reach the required escape velocity to escape Earth's gravity.
How did they manage to power up the craft to reach the required escape velocity?
Don't tell me. I know it, I know it!
The pilot turned the warp speed control dial up just a tad? And hey presto, they were steady away!!

The thing still has an engine. The craft had something on the back of it called a European Service Module, that's where the propulsion comes from. It's basically a space shuttle engine on the back of the crew module. I bet you didn't even know that did you? It helps power them on their journey and detaches shortly before final descent.

[Jocksgloves1]

It's the astronauts I feel sorry for. A lifetime of interviews and meetings that they have to lie through.😀

[Spuddy Speight]

It's the astronauts I feel sorry for. A lifetime of interviews and meetings that they have to lie through.😀[/QUOTE]

Heliospan78 hasn't even described what type of engine was used to propel the spacecraft as it laughingly floated above the Earth's surface.Then he is upset when his misled beliefs are challenged.
Hspan, it's one big lie.

[Heliosphan78]

Heliospan78 hasn't even described what type of engine was used to propel the spacecraft as it laughingly floated above the Earth's surface.Then he is upset when his misled beliefs are challenged.
Hspan, it's one big lie.

You're not capable of challenging me because you haven't got it in your mental toolkit to do so. All you do is copy and paste **** which you don't really understand.

I literally just told you that it's a similar engine to the one used in the space shuttle. I'm not here to educate you, just do an internet search for "esm engine artemis" or something similar and find out for yourself.

Anyway, why are you even still here? Your argument is totally bankrupt given that you know so little about it.

[Spuddy Speight]

No need to do any search of the internet, Hspan. No thanks.
Your attempt at convincing anyone still reading about something that didn't happen, apart from myself, is quite honestly astonishing yet you have a need to try and bamboozle.
There was no lunar mission. A couple of the astronauts were in fact drawn from central casting.
Look at the movie, "Fly Me To The Moon".
There's a mention of the Project Artemis in that film.
Blink and you'll miss it.
It's all a tragi-comedy totally lost on you.
You'll soon get over it.
Just to re-iterate there was no lunar mission, no esm engine and certainly no lunar burn.
Keep on coming back with more of your lunar yarns if it makes you feel any better.

[Heliosphan78]

No need to do any search of the internet, Hspan. No thanks.
Your attempt at convincing anyone still reading about something that didn't happen, apart from myself, is quite honestly astonishing yet you have a need to try and bamboozle.
There was no lunar mission. A couple of the astronauts were in fact drawn from central casting.
Look at the movie, "Fly Me To The Moon".
There's a mention of the Project Artemis in that film.
Blink and you'll miss it.
It's all a tragi-comedy totally lost on you.
You'll soon get over it.
Just to re-iterate there was no lunar mission, no esm engine and certainly no lunar burn.
Keep on coming back with more of your lunar yarns if it makes you feel any better.

I don't need to convince anyone of anything. There's a ton of information about the mission readily available if anyone is interested. People can choose to believe it or not and make their own choice. However, if you don't believe it, then it means you're a ****ing idiot but that's fine.

Can I also remind you that it was you who started the thread. That puts the onus on you to convince people that the mission never happened, not the other way around. And you'll need to do a lot better than simply 'reiterating' that it didn't happen. Say that as many times as you like, it won't make it true or convince anyone otherwise.

Anyway, it looks like your argument has petered out here old bean so I'll leave you to it unless you've got anything else to say.

[Townerslovechild]

Is this the most idiotic thread ever on here...and that would be saying something,Mr Potato Head,you need to stop digging,you`re making yerself look a right tit.