O/T Wes Sheeiting !!!

[great_fire]

Many people don't know that the Labour Party was co-founded by the Fabian Society, the London upper middle class intellectual elite and "champagne socialists" of their day.

These are the people who still run the party now, although they're a lot less intellectual.

[frogmiller]

Before Brexit, we tried to tell Leave voters that despite the likes of Farage's claims, it wasn't a magical fix that was going to reduce immigration or make us richer.

As a consequence, business investment in the UK is drastically down (by 12% to 18%), and overall GDP is between 6% and 8% lower than it would have been if we had remained, even worse than the estimates. The hit to the UK economy is up to the tune of around ?3,000 per household per year compared to where we should be, and immigration is massively up - just from countries outside the EU, like India, because we desperately need growth to make up the shortfall and to support an increasingly aging population.

It was a big experiment. Everyone's life got worse, exactly as the Remainers predicted.

The country is barely governable and has declined massively since before the referendum.

People who are particularly dumb don't understand the consequences of their actions. There is no amount of reason or statistics that will make these people look in the mirror and seriously contemplate: "What if I was wrong?"

For the sane, there is a growing movement to try and reverse the damage that was done.

For the rest, it's like pigs enjoying rolling around in their own sh*t - except actually you all seem bloody miserable, yet you still keep rolling and asking for more sh*t (Reform) because being duped once by grifters wasn't enough.

Since Covid!

https://www.ocoglobal.com/general/the-great-post-covid-bounce-back-it-might-surprise-you-which-countries-have-recovered-fastest-and-where-their-investment-is-going/

[Redshank]

Christ, what an obnoxious pillac you appear to be. People who are very articulate like your good self use that ability to try and belittle others. Shameful rsole

But nobody has taken on his arguments. Stop being snowflakes and argue the points.

The fact is that too much of the current UK economy demands cheap and easily exploited labour. Farage can bang on all he wants about "closing the borders" but how is he going to keep his billionaire backers happy without a constant flow of cheap immigrant labour? The man is a complete fraud and if he gets elected the country will be fecked. It will be austerity on steroids, worker's rights will be dismantled and inequality will explode. Just be aware of that when you all tick Reform in 3 years time.

[Pacaman]

But nobody has taken on his arguments. Stop being snowflakes and argue the points.

The fact is that too much of the current UK economy demands cheap and easily exploited labour. Farage can bang on all he wants about "closing the borders" but how is he going to keep his billionaire backers happy without a constant flow of cheap immigrant labour? The man is a complete fraud and if he gets elected the country will be fecked. It will be austerity on steroids, worker's rights will be dismantled and inequality will explode. Just be aware of that when you all tick Reform in 3 years time.

I don?t want to! I have a life to live. Whoever governs the country makes no odds to me. I swerve them all and adjust to whatever?s in front of me. Don?t need 2 bit rsoles on a message football board getting rude and disrespectful.

[Pacaman]

I think we should give Reform a go. I mean, if it gets up some noses on here, it?s worth it just for that.

[Redshank]

Turkeys voting for Christmas

[Beaufighter]

I don?t want to! I have a life to live. Whoever governs the country makes no odds to me. I swerve them all and adjust to whatever?s in front of me. Don?t need 2 bit rsoles on a message football board getting rude and disrespectful.

Yeah, ?cos calling someone a ?2 bit rsole? is the height of respect and politeness isn?t it. And just because he told you some facts you didn’t like and can’t refute. Hypocrite.

[Yak]

Shock horror left wing people sticking up for left wing people and yep you wouldn?t believe it right wing people sticking up for right wing people.
It?s almost like a cult. 🤣🤣

[Beaufighter]

Shock horror left wing people sticking up for left wing people and yep you wouldn?t believe it right wing people sticking up for right wing people.
It?s almost like a cult. 🤣🤣

Everyone?s entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. Something is either right or wrong.

?Here are some facts? followed by ?you?re a ****? instead of addressing those facts doesn?t work for me on either side of the debate. It just makes whoever is doing it look moronic.

[Stovicmiller]

[QUOTE=Redshank;40828006]Turkeys voting for Christmas

The same could be said for yourself at the last general election, Labour through and through. I mean they?ve made such a great job of it so far .

[Shark27]

But nobody has taken on his arguments. Stop being snowflakes and argue the points.

The fact is that too much of the current UK economy demands cheap and easily exploited labour. Farage can bang on all he wants about "closing the borders" but how is he going to keep his billionaire backers happy without a constant flow of cheap immigrant labour? The man is a complete fraud and if he gets elected the country will be fecked. It will be austerity on steroids, worker's rights will be dismantled and inequality will explode. Just be aware of that when you all tick Reform in 3 years time.

So are you saying the country needs cheap and easily exploited labour as well as workers rights and equality?

[Spuddy Speight]

The plot so far...

In 2025 Andy Burnham went on record to say that Brexit wasn't a good idea. Now that he is standing in the Makerfield by-election he is saying the complete opposite. He's obviously pandering to the people of Makerfield, the majority of whom voted for Brexit.

Wes Streeting was unhappy with the Brexit result but reckons we as a nation must move on.
Who would you trust when our wonderful PM wants to move closer to the EU?

Sir Keir Starmer wants to stay in number 10 Downing Street for the duration and has no plans to leave. Never mind the electorate Sir Keir might even lead his party into the next General Election despite what I've posted previously!!!

Voting in the Makerfield by-election takes place on Thursday, 18th June 2026.

And I've not had any breakfast yet!!

[Old_time_miller]

People in U/K were fed up of being governed by
Brussels.
That's one of the reasons people voted for brexit.
We the U/K should make decisions in our own country.

Quite right and fair enough, we were. the only problem is we don?t seem to have a party or PM good enough to do it.

[Old_time_miller]

Footnote. 2016. As I recall, the only ones stirring up anti eu to any great extent was a fractious tory party and the media. Cameron anxious over own party assumed we would all want to stay.

I firmly believe being in or out, both are quite achievable with good management. Only two major things complicate that.

1.The eu was our major trading partner.
2. The Dublin protocol was effective, the ease of boats and illegals have thus increased.

Both have been suffered since.

[Redshank]

So are you saying the country needs cheap and easily exploited labour as well as workers rights and equality?

Not quite...

The country needs enhanced workers rights and more wealth equality. But what we have is too much of the of the UK economy reliant on low wages and poor workers rights in the search for greater profit. All of which contributes to greater wealth inequality.

I'm no fan of this current government, but they have got a few things right. The employment rights act effective this year implements several significant changes and enhanced protection for workers. It's a small move in the right direction. Be in no doubt that Reform will roll back stuff like this which won't do us or our families any favours.