O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

Under the new law, an emergency procedure can be used to stop the dissemination, during election campaigns, of “inaccurate or misleading allegations or statements likely to affect the sincerity of the vote” when they are “disseminated on a massive scale in a deliberate, artificial or automated manner via an online ...

The law is seen as the start of a crackdown by people including a couple of mates of mine who are police officers.

[KerrAvon]

Under the new law, an emergency procedure can be used to stop the dissemination, during election campaigns, of “inaccurate or misleading allegations or statements likely to affect the sincerity of the vote” when they are “disseminated on a massive scale in a deliberate, artificial or automated manner via an online ...

So it's a law that can be used to stop online misinformation campaigns being used to manipulate elections?

I can see the value in that, but how it would work in practice isn't clear given the speed that misinformation can be spread online and the difficulty in stopping it.

A law like that might have come in handy in the UK prior to the Brexit referendum. I'm not sure what it has to do with vaccines though.

[ragingpup]

Confessions like this often prove cathartic. I applaud your honesty.

Wooooosh....

[frogmiller]

So it's a law that can be used to stop online misinformation campaigns being used to manipulate elections?

I can see the value in that, but how it would work in practice isn't clear given the speed that misinformation can be spread online and the difficulty in stopping it.

A law like that might have come in handy in the UK prior to the Brexit referendum. I'm not sure what it has to do with vaccines though.

It depends. Le Penn for example couldn’t lend money to run her campaign so had to go outside of France for a loan.
We weren’t aware of it until well after the election.

Sarkozy was going to run again but was charged with fraud before he could.

The woman in charge of the IMF was going to stand but the scandal of fraud was brought up before she could declare.

Many people are denounced before they get chance to stand.

France I’d like the USA in regards to certain groups backing presidents.

It’s fascinating and like the USA they end up with 2 of the worst candidates with the better ones

[KerrAvon]

I've never followed French politics, I'm afraid.

American politics is totally distorted by 'Super PAC' funding, which makes it easy to buy influence. American politics has only served the wealthy for the last decade or so.

In the UK, the Tories have quietly raised the limits on election spending because they know that they can outspend Labour.

An even bigger issue though is foreign interference. Putin got what he want with Brexit and probably Trump.

[Nibiru]

Anybody who thinks the pharmaceutical industry is not corrupt to the core is asleep at the wheel.
Just parking Covid/Vaccines to one side ...
Together we will beat cancer...really? In the UK 1 in 2 will now get cancer.
Please watch this video (it could save your life)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPADSv3XAv0

[frogmiller]

Anybody who thinks the pharmaceutical industry is not corrupt to the core is asleep at the wheel.
Just parking Covid/Vaccines to one side ...
Together we will beat cancer...really? In the UK 1 in 2 will now get cancer.
Please watch this video (it could save your life)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPADSv3XAv0

I made a point about herbal remedies being blocked and pushed down the internet searches engines when the Covid vaccine was rolled out. I was laughed at.

In this thread there is a video on how Rockefeller changed the landscape and how modern medicines started out. How he paid for and sponsored universities and institutions to teach medicine using his drugs.

It’s a shame that during or before the pandemic the drug that won a Nobel award has been denounced even though in Africa and poor countries it’s saved countless lives and had been administered billions.
I can’t remember the name of the drug but I believe it was developed at the John Hopkins university.

Anyway we’re going to be saved by Pfizer because they’ve paid about $40b for a cancer drug company that only turns over $2b.

[Eternal Optimist]

Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine.

[frogmiller]

So it's a law that can be used to stop online misinformation campaigns being used to manipulate elections?

I can see the value in that, but how it would work in practice isn't clear given the speed that misinformation can be spread online and the difficulty in stopping it.

A law like that might have come in handy in the UK prior to the Brexit referendum. I'm not sure what it has to do with vaccines though.

It’s not just the speed of information that’s the problem it’s who monitors the information.

We’ve already established that we have different views on things so who gets shut down?

Also on a religion based argument who gets to say which god is the greatest. When you see the American constitution you’d say they’d side with Christianity.

The federal bank in the USA is an independent institution. A hell of Americans don’t realise this. It was started in 1913 I believe and had wealthy opponents to it. All those opponents were said to be on the maiden voyage of The titanic. The owner of the company that constructed the Titanic was Rockefeller who went on to be a share holder in the Federal Reserve. Another coincidence? Is it true or a lie?

The more people look into things the more people find out. If the internet is censored to a large degree how can questions be asked?
We’ve seen how politics are being played today, the supposed infiltration by the WEF ( there words) into cabinets around the world. The EU, the UN, the WHO whose funding is 85% from outside sources including Rochafeller and Bill Gates and is headed up by a guy that ran a terrorist group.

If people aren’t allowed to ask questions about this then we are really moving towards a totalitarian dictatorship run by unelected elites.

[frogmiller]

Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine.

That’s the one. According to some it had to be binned to allow the vaccine to pass without the proper testing.

[Eternal Optimist]

This is the M.O. of Big Pharma, yet even today many refuse to see it when it's right in front of their eyes.

As Nibiru suggests above, the very last thing they want is a cure for cancer. There's no profit in healthy people.

[KerrAvon]

I made a point about herbal remedies being blocked and pushed down the internet searches engines when the Covid vaccine was rolled out. I was laughed at.

In this thread there is a video on how Rockefeller changed the landscape and how modern medicines started out. How he paid for and sponsored universities and institutions to teach medicine using his drugs.

It’s a shame that during or before the pandemic the drug that won a Nobel award has been denounced even though in Africa and poor countries it’s saved countless lives and had been administered billions.
I can’t remember the name of the drug but I believe it was developed at the John Hopkins university.

Anyway we’re going to be saved by Pfizer because they’ve paid about $40b for a cancer drug company that only turns over $2b.

I will confess that I have not watched the whole of this video. Just enough to see that it is pseudoscientific babble.

Natural medicine has its place – aspirin was developed from natural medicine using willow tree bark and digoxin from foxgloves. Tamoxifen is based on a toxin found in yew trees and statins and antibiotics were developed from Penicillium moulds.

Speaking of penicillin, it only became useful as a drug after a company called Pfizer worked out how to mass produce it in order to achieve their evil aim of world domination by, er... (checks notes) saving countless millions of people from bacterial diseases.

If herbal treatments will cure cancer, how come Professor Dalgliesh – who you linked to earlier in this thread – is not using them in his cancer practice? He doesn’t appear to be fan of big pharma.

mRNA technology may well revolutionise the treatment of some cancers. The programmable nature of mRNA platforms may allow for tailor made treatments to attack the specific cancer (all of which will carry a variety of different mutations) within individual patients.

[KerrAvon]

It’s not just the speed of information that’s the problem it’s who monitors the information.

We’ve already established that we have different views on things so who gets shut down?

Also on a religion based argument who gets to say which god is the greatest. When you see the American constitution you’d say they’d side with Christianity.

The federal bank in the USA is an independent institution. A hell of Americans don’t realise this. It was started in 1913 I believe and had wealthy opponents to it. All those opponents were said to be on the maiden voyage of The titanic. The owner of the company that constructed the Titanic was Rockefeller who went on to be a share holder in the Federal Reserve. Another coincidence? Is it true or a lie?

The more people look into things the more people find out. If the internet is censored to a large degree how can questions be asked?
We’ve seen how politics are being played today, the supposed infiltration by the WEF ( there words) into cabinets around the world. The EU, the UN, the WHO whose funding is 85% from outside sources including Rochafeller and Bill Gates and is headed up by a guy that ran a terrorist group.

If people aren’t allowed to ask questions about this then we are really moving towards a totalitarian dictatorship run by unelected elites.

The question of who sets the criteria for the policing of the internet is another serious difficulty with the legislation that you mentioned. But what’s the alternative? The internet can be used to interfere with the democratic process – look no further than Cambridge Analytica and the Brexit vote.

And to repeat my mantra – misinformation about medical matters can kill.

I can't see an easy answer.

The Titanic conspiracy theory needs development. I very much doubt whether a Rockerfeller owned Harland & Wolff as it has always been known for its association with the Northern Irish Unionist community, but if he did, what’s the theory there? Did he sneak into the designer’s office last one night to incorporate fatal flaws into the design or did he wander around the boat yard pulling out rivets?

And then you need some way to explain how all the people who opposed the formation of the Fed would be in Europe and wanting to sail to the US on the maiden voyage. Hypnotism maybe?

And then there’s the weather - it had to be dead calm to encourage the captain to maintain full speed and to make it difficult for the iceberg to be spotted (because there were no waves breaking around its base)

And then there’s the collision itself – that had to breach at least five of the watertight components as the ship was designed to survive damage to four.

And then there’s the lack of a timely rescue. The captain of the nearby SS Californian would have had to have been persuaded to ignore the Titanic’s’ distress signals and the next nearest ship, the RMS Carpathia, would have had to be sufficiently far away as to not be able to get there in time to save those who went into the water.

If you can sort those points out, I reckon you will have a conspiracy theory with legs and it would spread quite well on Twitter as ‘the truth’.

What do you see as the issue with the ownership of the Fed? You don’t seem to trust governments, so I assume you wouldn’t like it to be government owned either?

And what is your issue with Bill Gates? Alright, his company may have been behind Windows 8, which was a crime against computer owning humanity but is that reason to demonise the bloke?

Looking into things is good. It has always been a big part of my working life and that seems to have extended into my non-working life, but looking into things only works if you work on the assumption that a lot of stuff on the internet is cobblers.

Who is stopping people asking questions? I'm asking plenty about the stuff that you have bought into.

[KerrAvon]

That’s the one. According to some it had to be binned to allow the vaccine to pass without the proper testing.

Both Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine have their place in medicines, but the problem with their use in relation to covid is that they don’t work:

https://today.uconn.edu/2021/10/ivermectin-is-a-nobel-prize-winning-wonder-drug-but-not-for-covid-19/

https://www.lstmed.ac.uk/news-events/news/ivermectin-for-covid-19-review-update-11-trials-and-no-evidence-of-benefit-shown

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-halts-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9069223/

When claims are made that Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine have been ignored because they are cheap the person making the claim never seems to mention a third very cheap drug, Dexamethasone, which was found to be beneficial in the treatment of covid patients and became widely used.

[frogmiller]

The question of who sets the criteria for the policing of the internet is another serious difficulty with the legislation that you mentioned. But what’s the alternative? The internet can be used to interfere with the democratic process – look no further than Cambridge Analytica and the Brexit vote.

And to repeat my mantra – misinformation about medical matters can kill.

I can't see an easy answer.

The Titanic conspiracy theory needs development. I very much doubt whether a Rockerfeller owned Harland & Wolff as it has always been known for its association with the Northern Irish Unionist community, but if he did, what’s the theory there? Did he sneak into the designer’s office last one night to incorporate fatal flaws into the design or did he wander around the boat yard pulling out rivets?

And then you need some way to explain how all the people who opposed the formation of the Fed would be in Europe and wanting to sail to the US on the maiden voyage. Hypnotism maybe?

And then there’s the weather - it had to be dead calm to encourage the captain to maintain full speed and to make it difficult for the iceberg to be spotted (because there were no waves breaking around its base)

And then there’s the collision itself – that had to breach at least five of the watertight components as the ship was designed to survive damage to four.

And then there’s the lack of a timely rescue. The captain of the nearby SS Californian would have had to have been persuaded to ignore the Titanic’s’ distress signals and the next nearest ship, the RMS Carpathia, would have had to be sufficiently far away as to not be able to get there in time to save those who went into the water.

If you can sort those points out, I reckon you will have a conspiracy theory with legs and it would spread quite well on Twitter as ‘the truth’.

What do you see as the issue with the ownership of the Fed? You don’t seem to trust governments, so I assume you wouldn’t like it to be government owned either?

And what is your issue with Bill Gates? Alright, his company may have been behind Windows 8, which was a crime against computer owning humanity but is that reason to demonise the bloke?

Looking into things is good. It has always been a big part of my working life and that seems to have extended into my non-working life, but looking into things only works if you work on the assumption that a lot of stuff on the internet is cobblers.

Who is stopping people asking questions? I'm asking plenty about the stuff that you have bought into.

I confused the ownership of the Titanic and it should have been J P Morgan.

My problem with Bill Gates. He's f*cking with nature! His theories about world health, about the Co² levels, world population and his disire to make a vaccine for everything is quite insane. Don't mix up CO² levels with Climate change because they are two different things.

I've nothing against governments but I do have a problem with what I beleive is a totalilitarian agenda. The WEF, the UN and the WHO are all in cahoots and agender 2030 it is all written down and is being implemented by leaders who have taken young leader courses with the WEF. Macron, Trudo, Sunak amoungst them with many others making up cabinets to push through their agendas.

Governments and polititions should have one job and that's to be politions! Those that already have existing companies should be allowed to continue running them.

Under no circumstances should a polition be allowed to work as a lobbyist when they leave politics!

Nor should one be in a reporters roll on TV or be able to write collums in a national newspaper.