O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[Eternal Optimist]

The ICC and domestic courts around the world have been bombarded with shyte notices and applications by antivaxxers...

Do any of these shyte notices include people who've lost loved ones to the vax, or are they imagining it?

[KerrAvon]

I've seen efforts by narcissistic wannabe lawyers and general loons.

I've never seen one by the family of those unlucky enough to be harmed by any of the vaccines. They tend to just get exploited by narcissistic wannabe lawyers and general loons.

[frogmiller]

I've seen efforts by narcissistic wannabe lawyers and general loons.

I've never seen one by the family of those unlucky enough to be harmed by any of the vaccines. They tend to just get exploited by narcissistic wannabe lawyers and general loons.

What about the AZ court case?

Dozens of patients and families are launching legal action against AstraZeneca over a rare side effect of its covid-19 vaccine.

Lawyers have sent the company pre-action protocol letters, the first step in a legal claim on behalf of around 75 claimants. Some have lost relatives and some have survived with catastrophic injuries following blood clots.

Many millions have had the vaccine without suffering complications but in 2021 the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency confirmed a possible link between the vaccine, known as Vaxzevria, and a rare condition involving blood clots along with abnormally low platelet levels. Those taking legal action have been diagnosed with vaccine induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia.

The claimants are pursuing a two pronged strategy: taking legal action under the Consumer Protection Act 1987 as well as claiming payment under the government run Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme. The scheme has paid out in several cases, but is limited to £120 000 per claim and applicants must prove severe disablement.1 Payment under the scheme does not preclude a claim for personal injury through the courts. Those taking action under the Consumer Protection Act must show that the vaccine was not as safe as the public were entitled to expect.

Peter Todd, a consultant solicitor with Scott-Moncrieff & Associates, one of two lawyers handling claims, told The BMJ that the complications included stroke, heart failure, and leg amputations. He said the technology involved in the AstraZeneca vaccine was “risky.”

There will become Lawyers that will specialise in this compensation scheme just like the ones for aspestosis, miners breathing dificulties, Vibration white finger, The Post office claims, the blood transfusion scandal, PPI and the list goes on.

The fact that the vaccines where ok for kids meant that the pharma were free from prosecution and the tab for wrong doing is passed on to the tax payers through the governments existing scheme.

[KerrAvon]

I very much doubt that the pleadings in the AZ litigation bang on about Nuremberg and other such rubbish.

For my part, I think the government should reform the vaccine injury compensation scheme to make such litigation as that against AZ unnecessary. The test that applies – 60% disability – is too high and the maximum pay out - £120k – is too low to properly address the issue.

As the article points out, it will be the government who will pay any compensation that the claimants are awarded as AZ has an indemnity agreement with the government that it obtained as a condition of making the vaccine available in the UK.

And before anyone gets upset about the indemnity arrangement that AZ has, they need to think about vaccine roll outs. Firstly, they are regarded as being in the interest of the general public and secondly, there is an inherent risk involved in them. That risk arises because clinical trials such as those that the AZ vaccine went through are by necessity limited in size (with tens of thousands of participants as opposed to the millions that the vaccine will be administered to), which means that a very rare complication such as the thrombocytopenia that is linked to the AZ vaccine may not be picked up until post release surveillance does so (as it was in April 2021 for the AZ jab).

There is also a fairly strong moral argument for AZ being indemnified given that their vaccine was made available on a not-for-profit basis during the pandemic. AZ are not even a company that is heavily involved in vaccine production. They were simply a partner of convenience for Oxford University after the other big UK pharmaceutical player -GSK – got into bed with the French company Sanofi to try to produce a vaccine.

It is tragic that anyone was injured by any of the covid vaccines, but to put matters into perspective, the AZ vaccine is estimated to have saved 6.5 million lives worldwide, in part because it was made available in countries who would not have been able to afford the mRNA vaccines and which did not have the infrastructure to store and distribute them. That will obviously be of no comfort whatsoever to the injured and their families, but that’s the long and short of it.

Of course, the bigger question is if the vaccines were not the answer to the pandemic then what was? I appreciate that some people deny the existence of the SARS-Cov2 virus or get wrapped up in theories about its origin, but I think most people know that it swept around the world killing very large numbers of people and causing long term injury to many more.

[frogmiller]

I very much doubt that the pleadings in the AZ litigation bang on about Nuremberg and other such rubbish.

For my part, I think the government should reform the vaccine injury compensation scheme to make such litigation as that against AZ unnecessary. The test that applies – 60% disability – is too high and the maximum pay out - £120k – is too low to properly address the issue.

As the article points out, it will be the government who will pay any compensation that the claimants are awarded as AZ has an indemnity agreement with the government that it obtained as a condition of making the vaccine available in the UK.

And before anyone gets upset about the indemnity arrangement that AZ has, they need to think about vaccine roll outs. Firstly, they are regarded as being in the interest of the general public and secondly, there is an inherent risk involved in them. That risk arises because clinical trials such as those that the AZ vaccine went through are by necessity limited in size (with tens of thousands of participants as opposed to the millions that the vaccine will be administered to), which means that a very rare complication such as the thrombocytopenia that is linked to the AZ vaccine may not be picked up until post release surveillance does so (as it was in April 2021 for the AZ jab).

There is also a fairly strong moral argument for AZ being indemnified given that their vaccine was made available on a not-for-profit basis during the pandemic. AZ are not even a company that is heavily involved in vaccine production. They were simply a partner of convenience for Oxford University after the other big UK pharmaceutical player -GSK – got into bed with the French company Sanofi to try to produce a vaccine.

It is tragic that anyone was injured by any of the covid vaccines, but to put matters into perspective, the AZ vaccine is estimated to have saved 6.5 million lives worldwide, in part because it was made available in countries who would not have been able to afford the mRNA vaccines and which did not have the infrastructure to store and distribute them. That will obviously be of no comfort whatsoever to the injured and their families, but that’s the long and short of it.

Of course, the bigger question is if the vaccines were not the answer to the pandemic then what was? I appreciate that some people deny the existence of the SARS-Cov2 virus or get wrapped up in theories about its origin, but I think most people know that it swept around the world killing very large numbers of people and causing long term injury to many more.

It's origin has not been officially stated nor has any meaningful investigations taken place. If something so dangerous started then why wasn't it tracked down to the source. The Wet market is one answer but the paper trails from Fauci to the Whuhan biolads is more credible. So much so that Donalt Trump has said so today in a speach regarding his dislike to the WHO treaty and Accords.

Covid caused so much upset, pain and loss so you'd think they'd track down the origin like they do any form od desease outbreak or poisoning outbreak.

If then the vaccine which seems to be owned by the US government and Moderna and Pfizer pay royalties for is injuring so many and killing some then why is it so important to give it to kids who are less likely to be injured by Covid itself and more likely to be injured by the Vaccine.

Getting wrapped up about the oridin as you say owill give so many answers but it seems inconvenient to get those answers.

Because of these points that you are not qualified to answer it leaves open the high possiblity of bad play.

[Eternal Optimist]

...but to put matters into perspective, the AZ vaccine is estimated to have saved 6.5 million lives worldwide...

Estimated by whom?

The (Gates-funded) WHO?

[KerrAvon]

It's origin has not been officially stated nor has any meaningful investigations taken place. If something so dangerous started then why wasn't it tracked down to the source. The Wet market is one answer but the paper trails from Fauci to the Whuhan biolads is more credible. So much so that Donalt Trump has said so today in a speach regarding his dislike to the WHO treaty and Accords.

Covid caused so much upset, pain and loss so you'd think they'd track down the origin like they do any form od desease outbreak or poisoning outbreak.

If then the vaccine which seems to be owned by the US government and Moderna and Pfizer pay royalties for is injuring so many and killing some then why is it so important to give it to kids who are less likely to be injured by Covid itself and more likely to be injured by the Vaccine.

Getting wrapped up about the oridin as you say owill give so many answers but it seems inconvenient to get those answers.

Because of these points that you are not qualified to answer it leaves open the high possiblity of bad play.

The world is full of viruses. frog. Every type of animal will have viruses that are well placed to exploit them as hosts. Flu viruses originated in birds, for example, whereas bats are known to host many different types of coronaviruses. Crossing from one species to another is not easy and is generally dependent upon mutations to permit colonisation, but viruses mutate fairly easily, particularly in the case of RNA viruses like coronaviruses. HIV, for example, almost certainly originated in monkeys.

H5N1 bird flu looks like it has mutated to make the jump from birds to cattle. That brings it in close proximity to humans and it is probably only a matter of time before a mutation occurs that allows it to establish in human populations. That’s just how viruses roll.

It’s probably impossible to find out exactly how SARS-Cov2 got into the human population, but it can be said with a fair degree of confidence that it originated in bats, possibly via an intermediate species (pangolins were in the frame at one point, but I haven’t followed the research on that). Whether it entered the human population from a leak at the virology institute in Wuhan or whether it came via the wet market – where humans are in close proximity to animal is an unknown. The Chinese government id not known for its openness to scrutiny and I can’t see then cooperating with any investigation.

I doubt very much whether any paper trail to Fauci is particularly credible, but as I have mentioned before, I haven’t really followed the Fauci conspiracy theories. Given the reference to Trump, I’m guessing that they are popular with MAGA, right-wing, Christian fundamentalist types who do a lot of shouting on American TV?

Which vaccine do you think is owned by the American government?

On Trump generally, you may recall that he suggested that there should be research into whether injecting disinfectant into humans could be used to treat covid. This suggest that he may not be the sharpest knife in the draw when it comes to matters scientific.

[KerrAvon]

Estimated by whom?

The (Gates-funded) WHO?

The original research was published in the Lancet here:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext?utm_content=212541531&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&hss_channel=tw-27013292

It was then developed by a disease surveillance company called Airfinity here:

https://www.airfinity.com/articles/astrazeneca-and-pfizer-biontech-saved-over-12-million-lives-in-the-first

Here are some more generalised testimonials to the AZ vaccine from some eminent scientists:

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-astrazeneca-withdrawing-its-covid-19-vaccine/

I appreciate that probably won’t cut very much mustard when set against the wisdom of Twitter.

[Eternal Optimist]

You may have missed it, but we've already discovered that this august medical publication known as The Lancet is majority owned by Blackrock, who own huge amounts of stock in vaccine associated businesses.

Airfinity are backed by the WHO, so no points there I'm afraid.

Science Media Centre are funded by, among others, Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, Bayer plc, Astra Zeneca (ffs), Elsevier (owned by Blackrock), GlaxoSmithKline, and previously by Pfizer.

Vested interests here? Surely not? (And no mention of Twitter...)

[frogmiller]

The world is full of viruses. frog. Every type of animal will have viruses that are well placed to exploit them as hosts. Flu viruses originated in birds, for example, whereas bats are known to host many different types of coronaviruses. Crossing from one species to another is not easy and is generally dependent upon mutations to permit colonisation, but viruses mutate fairly easily, particularly in the case of RNA viruses like coronaviruses. HIV, for example, almost certainly originated in monkeys.

H5N1 bird flu looks like it has mutated to make the jump from birds to cattle. That brings it in close proximity to humans and it is probably only a matter of time before a mutation occurs that allows it to establish in human populations. That’s just how viruses roll.

It’s probably impossible to find out exactly how SARS-Cov2 got into the human population, but it can be said with a fair degree of confidence that it originated in bats, possibly via an intermediate species (pangolins were in the frame at one point, but I haven’t followed the research on that). Whether it entered the human population from a leak at the virology institute in Wuhan or whether it came via the wet market – where humans are in close proximity to animal is an unknown. The Chinese government id not known for its openness to scrutiny and I can’t see then cooperating with any investigation.

I doubt very much whether any paper trail to Fauci is particularly credible, but as I have mentioned before, I haven’t really followed the Fauci conspiracy theories. Given the reference to Trump, I’m guessing that they are popular with MAGA, right-wing, Christian fundamentalist types who do a lot of shouting on American TV?

Which vaccine do you think is owned by the American government?

On Trump generally, you may recall that he suggested that there should be research into whether injecting disinfectant into humans could be used to treat covid. This suggest that he may not be the sharpest knife in the draw when it comes to matters scientific.

Under the agreement with Moderna, the company made what it described as a $400 million “catch-up payment” to the N.I.H. The government will share that money with Dartmouth and Scripps. The individual scientists who helped invent the technique are also likely to receive a portion of the payment, experts said.Feb 23, 2023
https://www.nytimes.com › science
After Long Delay, Moderna Pays N.I.H. for Covid Vaccine Technique

[crashbang]

Has anyone ever been forced to have any vaccinations, if you don't want one don't have one.
Sorted.

[Eternal Optimist]

Has anyone ever been forced to have any vaccinations, if you don't want one don't have one.
Sorted.

If someone had been threatened with the loss of their employment unless they had the mRNA, would you consider that as being 'forced'?

[crashbang]

If you have principles get a job elsewhere, if you are just spouting on a soap box, get it.
Your choice. As I said no one is forced.

[frogmiller]

Little by little the whuhan lab information seems to be being exposed.

Here’s a summary of a New York Post article:

• NIH principal deputy director Lawrence Tabak admitted to Congress that the NIH funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, depending on the definition of gain-of-function, confirming the involvement through EcoHealth Alliance. “If you’re speaking about the generic term, yes, we did [fund gain-of-function research].”

• This admission follows years of evasive answers from federal health officials, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, about funding such controversial research.

• However, Tabak also said, “The generic term [gain-of-function] is research that goes on in many, many labs around the country. It is not regulated. And the reason it’s not regulated is it poses no threat or harm to anybody.”

• Dr. Bryce Nickels, a professor of genetics at Rutgers University, criticized the NIH’s communication as obfuscating and avoiding accountability. “Tabak was engaging in the usual obfuscation and semantic manipulation that is so frustrating and pointless.”

• The NIH has come under scrutiny for removing gain-of-function research definitions from its website amid debates on its research funding in Wuhan, raising concerns about its transparency and accountability.

• In response to these issues, the US Department of Health and Human Services recently barred the Wuhan Institute from receiving federal grants for ten years and pulled all funding from EcoHealth Alliance for three years.

• EcoHealth Alliance’s president, Dr. Peter Daszak, testified that his organization did not engage in gain-of-function research, contradicting previous statements and evidence.

• In previous communications and hearings, it was revealed that experiments funded by the NIH at the Wuhan lab increased the infectiousness of bat coronaviruses significantly. Tabak revealed that EcoHealth “failed to report” the bat coronaviruses modified with SARS and MERS viruses had been made 10,000 times more infectious, in violation of its NIH grant terms.

• The New York Post reports: “Fauci is scheduled to answer questions about the gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab and theories of the origin of the pandemic in a public subcommittee hearing set for June 3

[frogmiller]

[QUOTE=crashbang;40505431]Has anyone ever been forced to have any vaccinations, if you don't want one don't have one.
Sorted.[/QUOTE

Every health worker, fire fighter, national policeman in France who didn’t have a vaccine lost their job. This could be a way of forcing them don’t you think?

Australia is another example where people lost their jobs if they didn’t comply

Don’t forget Crash that we were willing to have the jab because we were told it was safe and effective. Doctors that are now known to be paid by AZ to go on tv told us all that it was safe. They convinced people that it was Covid that was giving them blood clots yet they’ve now admitted that the drug itself was responsible for some of them.

In the end the vaccines didn’t stop transmission and they have been proven to cause harm.